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Pyth, I don't doubt for a moment the wonderful healings of qigong. Thanks for the video, the ones I watched were wonderful. The wonderful thing about our forum are the very many paths that have been followed but which all seem to pool within the same truths. Seems like I've been a gleaner for a long time. If it's a truth, it's true to all, not just some paths. Seems like the deeper and deeper one goes within any individual path, it should all end up in the same pool of truth. This has been my experience as a gleaner. I love the fact that so often I end up on threads with really great minds; after all, we could not understand each other if our minds were not all One. People come and people go for various reasons on TTB's; I have come and gone for various reasons. But it always seems to come back to the place where there are so very few places where people who think like I do, congregate. At least here in the midwest. Love to you all. It occurred to Joe and I tonight at the local Mexican restaurant, that the ultimate healing mindset must be one in which the I Am mindset is completely Known. Or as another would say, Gnown. We are still at the point where we are somewhat surprised when something actually works. We are still somewhat incredulous that this 'baloney', as I would have called it in my prior police career, actually works. I do envy those who are the masters of qigong on this site, and I sometimes wish that I had taken that opportunity to really deeply study and be committed to that type of discipline. Truth is, that type of discipline is not in me. But an old metaphysical lady I am. And the incredulous thing to me is how we are all sitting at the top of our own individual lodgepoles and actually talking to each other. Because truth is truth. It doesn't matter from whece it comes. I recall that in the Castaneda series, don Juan told Carlos that when these types of phenomena, whether it be a vision, a healing, anything like that out of the ordinary - the trick is to not indulge in it. To walk away in the moment and go onto the next moment. To walk away the seeming miracle, large or small, we have just been a part of. This is what we were discussing tonight. And all of a sudden this comes back to me in a new way. It's about Practice. The more we Practice doing this quantum touch, this qigong or whatever discipline has named it, the stronger it will get. This goes directly to the I Am consciousness. Are we truly a part of the One? Do we believe with every fiber of being that we are, indeed, The One? That we indeed are gods, in the end, who have the power to effect the change we desire? This sounds like the presence of ego but it is not. It is the absence of ego. It is realizing self for what self is. What we are all a part of, and it is the degree of our GNOWING of it (realization of it from the inside) Then there is no need for the individual 'self' this illusory being, to 'try' to heal anyone. It becomes instead a way of triangulation of thought and energy merely directed at the object of our attention by intent and removal of self. Somebody better stop me.

Wonderful advice, thank you! The further I get into this, as you mention, the more we realize that it is the person themselves who are doing the healing for themselves; perhaps the most we can do is 'set the stage' for their mental healing journey. It reminds me of when the woman touched the hem of Jesus' garment and he told her that it was her strong faith that had healed her. I think this might be the trick for us - to keep the mental state of the healee at the forefront; just as the woman in my earlier post 'drew the energy' up her own legs and into her breast. It's not us doing it. That's where ego must certainly be set aside. There's the blockage. I've not noticed a depletion of energy, but as I'm talking about this, something just came to mind. My husband Joe (shamanic type) 'walked someone across' the other day; our buddy died. Now, as I read your post, I remember that Joe was totally wiped out for a day or two after he did this. I don't know the first thing about this, but I suggested that perhaps his energy body accompanied Mo's energy body across the abyss and that Joe had to pay a bit of a physical price for this. Does this make any sense to you?

Void = Tao, for me. Just a place where nothing arises in my mind, the meditative state. To add the 'I Am' to it is to open the heart. and yes, it is unconditional and giving at the same time - I think we're on the same page. I seem to be developing the impersonal aspect you speak of, although I don't think of it as an indifference). It's an indifference in that we have control over whether we wish to respond in some emotional way, or whether the purpose is better served by staying out of the emotional. In the TTC somewhere it talks about this.....to understand something, see it without emotion. To understand it from another viewpoint, immerse yourself in it, emotions and all. I'm so glad that there is a choice. There was a little stallion living across the highway from us and we loved him, we would play with him daily. About 6 months ago he suddenly died of colic. I lost my horse in California from colic - it was devastating to me because I was totally entrenched in the emotions. Although I had strong feelings for this little stallion across the highway, I shed not a tear because I consciously elevated to the place where all matter is One, time was an illusion, and so was death. It was the only way I could prevent an emotional breakdown for this horse; I just didn't want to go through that again. I wasn't indifferent about the horse; rather, I just viewed the death from a transcendent platform. I actually like the word 'impersonal' when it comes to our relationship with the dynamic we're always trying to describe but can never quite find the words for. There's a book called 'The Impersonal Life' which changed my life completely - it convinced me of the impersonality of any sort of a life-force (call it God or whatever) that doesn't care who we are, whether we pray to it or not, whether we celebrate its birthday every December or not; it favors no one and no one is exempt from its laws. Certainly it has no name. No one can claim it. It doesn't 'care' for us individually, other than the fact that we are all made of it and we can choose or not choose to align ourselves with the dynamic. But I don't see it as lack of love at all - the rain falls equally upon all. That goes for love too. It's up to us.

I was just rereading this thread and happened on this. Welcome. That word alone connotates an open heart. I wonder if that is what the iconic art of Jesus means when it shows a hole in his chest to show his heart. I've also seen this in Chinese restaurants? Lao Tzu? Also, VMarco, when you say later that faith-based advocacy is not compassion I couldn't agree with you more. I've seen the Christian ladies around here in the bible-belt hold open food pantries for the people in the streets - and then giggle and spray air deodorizer around the room after a ripe one walks out - giggling as they do it, within the view of other homeless people. They're in it to make themselves feel holier-than-thou. with this group at least, they are clueless.

spotless - a question for you. Do you try and impart or request any type of mental state from the one you're working with? I've experimented with that as well, but don't know if the person can actually vacate their mind at all, as this is a pretty sophisticated state of mind requiring years of meditation. I do often try to synchronize my breathing with theirs, as though 'we are the same entity' (which we are). This seems to help me with the state of Oneness of myself and the other. There is a tiny part of me that still gets surprised when something actually comes to pass. Sometimes nothing works or happens at all. But I have come to the conclusion that the more we ACTUALLY KNOW WHO WE ARE (in essence, the All in All) and the more we can actually FEEL that mindset without one shred of doubt - that this is a big key. I believe in my innermost being that if this could be effected without the slightest bit of doubt and 100% confidence, that it would make all the difference in the world. This is the very reason I think that the more we attempt to use this ability, the better we get at it. Because our little successes pile up and enable the size of the successes to grow as our confidence does, and we realize that 'We Are Not Just Pretending".

K, I come from the same background as you. Please believe I wasn't trying to ride roughshod. My abuses are legion, as are many of us here, I suspect. When I went into recovery, my attitude was that of Poor Me, which I had carried around because of these abuses of me. When you're an alkie, the 'poor me' turns into 'pour me', as in 'pour me another drink'. It's for that reason that I had no choice but to reexamine my attitudes towards my victimhood when I started doing the personal inventory required for recovery. One thing helped greatly. One day I realized that my 6'5" father, a cop, who beat me regularly with his leather belt (among other things) was no doubt brought up the exactly same way. He was beaten by his father who tried to exact perfection out of his son. And his father before him. These tendencies seem to be the gift that just keeps giving down through the generations. Dad just didn't know any better. If I had had kids at the normal child-bearing age (which I never did) there's no doubt in my mind that I would have beat the crap out of my children too. That was all I knew at that time. If I were a parent today, my way of raising a child would be loving and kind. Only because I've learned a different way over my years of study and self-awareness. Part of the self-awareness process is to get Under the victimhood issues; sometimes blame must come first, then at some point even a type of forgiveness. If not forgiveness, then at least understanding, as the awareness I had about my dad being beaten by his dad. But as long as we wear the victimhood as a badge, that will always be a blockage to clarity and it will color everything we look at. I worked as a sex crime investigator for years. At first, when I was young, my attitude was one of judgment (although I tried not to show it) when I would be interviewing or interrogating them. After working this detail for years, it occurred to me at some point that so many of the child molesters (in particular) stopped growing emotionally at a given young age because they had often had the very same thing done to them. They had been molested by their father, or their neighbor, or their uncle. It's like the trauma of the event stops the emotional growth along those lines. And sure enough, almost to the man, the age and sex of the child he was molesting usually related DIRECTLY to the same age that the perp was when it happened to him. I'm not saying child molestation or rape is anything but horrible. But I am saying that it's often the gift that keeps giving down through the years. And there is no reason to cling to our victimhood once we realize this. We can take steps to move beyond that moment in time when the terror happened. It's taken years, but I am now capable of having a picture of my dad and I sitting on a rock in Yosemite that we had climbed together - back when I was about 5 and before the beatings started. I remember how much I loved him then, before the first strapping. Today I can look at that picture hanging on the wall in my bedroom, remember that memory with dad, and recall the love I felt for him, and indeed feel for him again. This is truly a blessing, K. It means I've come full circle and that horrible series of events no longer needs to color my actions and reactions.

This is interesting and it also came to be intuitively. There's a woman in California married to a friend of mind who gets recurrent cancer. He sends out periodic emails about how things are going with Adrian and her treatment. At one point he mentioned that the mindset of her and her sister are they they are all charged up to "do battle" with the cancer. That didn't sound right to me. I suggested to Dave that he have Adrian adopt instead a loving relationship with her cancer and to ask it to leave, or some words to that effect. This went over like a fart in church. guess I'll just leave that one alone.

I guess this is kind of what healing is about too. What can this pain teach me? I usually ask it, whether of myself or another, 'why am I manifesting this pain? (or situation?) Particularly if the situation is one that is unusual or recurrent. People sometimes get offended when I ask this question, as it assumes that they bear some responsibility for creating that which they previously feel victimized about. I have been consciously doing this more and more in my own life, and since taking responsibility for my own manifestations, and it has made a huge difference to me in that I have total control of my choices. It would seem to me, under that theory, that in the grand scheme of things there really is no such thing as victimization at all. .

Vortex - yes, it was F*cking AMAZING. I wish it could have happened again with our friend Mo, who just died. But Mo was unwilling to do any inner work for transformation at the point in time when the cancer may have been reversed. It spread all over his body. We spread his ashes last Sunday. Here's what I'm thinking. His cancer started several months after he took a stiff stand on a familial matter, put his foot down, and left his wife and family to live in an apartment by himself. The cancer ate at him like the situation ate at his psyche. I talked to him about this two years ago. He would have none of it, wouldn't consider seeing his part in the situation. Joe talked to him as well, we're both long time recovering alkies and addicts. We are seers of insides because we have seen our own. So we had no choice but to accept the situation and just work with his pain, which we did until last week when Joe helped him cross over. In a shamanic sense, not a physical sense, lol. Vortex, when you mention that psychotherapy and energetics re just 2 different ways to move and correct the same issues, which ultimately exist as intangible information --this is the very essence of the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy, which I mentioned earlier. You might want to take a look at Science and Health one day. It'll give you a great metaphysical stretch. Just one more thing to say - you mentioned "try" as an obstacle to smooth flow. I tell those I'm working with not to "try" anything, but to "let" it happen instead. There's such a difference between the two. You can almost feel the shift inside your chest when you think "Let it happen rather than Make it happen". This is the part that goes directly to the the ability to subjugate ego at the same time; to develop the ability to be in both the Void and the I Am at the same moment in time. Am I too far out there ....?......

I LOVE this post! Thank you Sanzon! It is just what I was looking for. I too am K-active, have been for maybe 8 or 9 years. I don't know if or how the K-energy interacts with this energy flow that anybody is capable of doing. I have seen serious kundalini energy in one of my husband's and my healing ceremonies, a woman with breast cancer. The K-energy actually came up through the ground, through her legs (she had no idea what was happening, she was a woman in her 80's) - and it somehow 'zapped' her breast cancer. It was gone. Period. I haven't had it happen before or since that dramatically. But what we did in that particular case was something similar to what you were alluding to - I tried to triangulate "why" a woman in her 80's would get breast cancer, it seemed so odd. I asked her if she was overly obsessing about one of her kids, grandkids, or great-grandkids (because of the involvement of the breast, I assumed a "mother" issue. Sure enough, her 46 year old son and his girlfriend had moved into her home about 6 months prior to her developing the breast cancer. They were eating her out of house and home, and were a little rude to her besides. She was an extremely Catholic woman, so I focused more away from the 'shamanic' and tended toward the Christian instead. I had her bury a picture of her son and his girlfriend, along with a picture of Jesus (that was comforting to her) in a pretty little box - we asked jesus to take the situation with her son and do something about it - we asked him to handle it and let her go back to her serene state. We were astounded that it actually worked. It actually worked.... For a situation like the above, I agree with you about the deep personal dynamics - I think a big part of that healing (and the K-energy coming up through her) had less to do with the 'ceremony' we performed (just a thing with drums, flute, and I used my staff to draw out a circle for her to stand in, consecrate the ground. It's all in the mind of the beholder, I'm thinking. There was nothing "special" about the ceremony - we just did whatever came to mind - but it was HER who drew the K-energy up through the ground, even though she had no idea what it was. She was somewhat shocked, and started to holler a bit (as much as an 80 year old would holler). It was a really strange sensation for her. Could you go into 'having a conversation with your hands and their body' a litle bit more, when you approach them? I'd like to hear a bit more about that. I'm triangulating everything I've ever read, whether in book form or on the TTB forum. I'm currently looking at various mindsets of famous ones - currently reading Health and Healing by Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science) and this woman has an astoundingly strong brain when it comes to 'getting under' the reasons for maladies. there's not even that much 'Christian' stuff to sidestep - she's pretty intellectual and heady, but really seems to have thought this out. I'm getting close, Sanzon. So is my husband. I'm convinced that the more one practices this, the more one is able to move the energy. But only recently have I discovered the artificial ability to make my heart feel 'love' for the person being healed - even done artificialy, it really seems to magnify the energy. Thank you so much for popping in and responding!

I don't know about the westerner part. maybe? What I've had to do is silently repeat 'I Love You' over and over as well, in addition to forming the lump in my throat. Mal, yes, exactly like that. I do have the SFQ book as well but for some reason I wasn't as moved by it as the Quantum Touch book. I wasn't motivated to start trying it until I read the other.

Glad you're bumpin. I was wondering where you went.

I still think the intentional removal of ego has something to do with extraordinary abilities. I am unable to run energy through my hands to another if I have any thoughts in my mind at all. The mental state seems to want to be in the void for this to happen, along with total body relaxation. My abilities aren't extraordinary, they're done by many. But it is preceded by the removal of any mental state at all. Maybe I should just use the word 'thoughts' rather than ego. Good point, K.

I wish I could stomach that stuff. I've tried it blended and it just makes me gag. I do eat grass when I think of it though, just a pinch here and there. It's my favorite "meditation" - laying face down on lush grass on a summer day. The energy is unbelievable. I've also read "somewhere on the internet" (which of course makes it true!) that cannabis oil was used in the oil the old boys used to anoint each other. I wonder if this doesn't explain some of the more 'mind-expanded' visions, etc. And yes! The mountain! The way I've said it to many people is that from where I stand, the rocks and shadows look like this. From where you stand, the rocks and shadows make it look like 'that'. But it's all the same mountain. I love the metaphor.

A stepping stone for 'accomplishment', agreed. A stumbling block for humility. But it is necessary so we dont drive into oncoming traffic.

" Zhen means to do true things and speak the truth; it means not practicing deception or speaking untruths, and not concealing one's mistakes; this will eventually result in the attainment of truth. Shan means to be kind and compassionate, to refrain from bullying people, to sympathize with the weak, help the poor; it means that one should always be ready to help others and do good things. Ren means that, when one experiences difficulties and suffers injustices, one should look at the bright side of things, be able to hold out, refrain from resentment and hatred, refrain from nursing grievances and taking revenge, be able to endure the worst of adversities and things that normal people are unable to endure. These apparently simple words contain an incomparable wealth of intentions; they are the highest of natural mysteries (tian ji) in the universe." immortal - I didn't cut and paste this very well but this is direct from one of your posts. To me, this is the ultimate challenge and the essence of the Dao. Thank you for all the work you did on this thread. Really interesting posts, and it always amazes me how similar in nature the "truth" as perceived from one discipline is so very close to the "truth" as seen in another discipline. Many of your articles mention things that I read in my metaphysical books - Besant, Manly Hall, Blavatsky; the very same conclusions are triangulated. As far as I can see, the real "truth" of anything is in the triangulation of all of it. Have you ever read a tiny little pamphlet called the Gospel of the Essenes? This sounds crazy, but one of the things that Jesus would talk about according to that gospel (his folks were Essenes, of course) is the magical properties of grass! He's talking about the common everyday variety that we walk upon (not the cannabis variety, although that wouldn't surprise me either). As you think about it, though, I'll bet there's something to it. Healing properties? Who knows? But grass is probably the first form of vegetation that evolved on land, wouldn't you think? That grass is the stepping stone between 'mineral' or seemingly inanimate life (although minerals have an animation of their own) and plant and animal life. It's so simple that it boggles my mind, and yet it makes sense. In the mundane-ness of the grass we walk on, there may be many magical qualities.

I am of the understanding that we are all together in this - that we all have the same powers as the ones who are capable of exhibiting the exceptional - the Jesuses, the shamans, the sages, the levitators, the healers, ad infinitum. It's up to us individually to cut through our internal dross and find the Essence. Ego is the bully at the door, but ego can learn to be sidestepped and humility acquired, which is what I think the mindset must be for the Essence to be realized. But...I have always been an extremist, so take that for what it's worth

I agree, because that would be based on ego, claiming the powers for ones' self. It is in the channel state, where the mind is voided and the body is receptive to ideas from within and energy transmission. I am currently reading Science and Health by Mary Baker Eddy; this woman gets deep into 'error thinking' and how healing can occur by getting under the error of the thinking that caused the diseased manifestation in the first place. This woman is on steroids as to her claims of the success she has enabled through allowing the great Mind to do the healing through her. Fascinting stuff, and it all leads to the same Source and comes from the same Source. What we choose to call it is merely our choice. the success comes from our alignment and surrender to the great Mind, or whatever name we choose. Call it the Dao.

I just want to say I'll miss you, TaoIsEasy.

i'm not sure practicing compassion or love is enough. I think there is a clearing-out process that we must go through, regardless of which method we use, which creates a straight shot down to the heart. totally straight. Unencumbered by jealousies, angers, selfishness, putting one's self first. We can practice compassion all we want but if we don't have the internal dynamics cleared out, the compassion will be coming from a selfish or egoistic place at some point. also, it's been said that it takes an extremely wise person to really know what another person needs. It's very easy to buy into a story and feel compassion for that side of the story - but a different perspective will lie elsewhere. To really see what a another needs, one needs to see the internal dynamics of that person. That is done by developing the Eyes. If the third eye hasn't developed and you're not able to see in '3-D', then the vision will be off, although the intent may be good.. As to how far to go in compassion? It can be limitless. After all, that person is you. The other half of you, warts and all. When we come from a place of Oneness there is no separation or limitation. But a wise person can also see when they are being manipulated, and sometimes 'compassion' can lead to the other person trying to manipulate your compassion for their specific purpose. This is why the eyes must be developed, the clarity must be achieved straight down to the heart. If there is any attempt at manipulation at all, then your compassion is not 'truly what the other person needs'. Instead, he may need for you to get out of the way and let him bang his head against the wall repeatedly, figuratively speaking. The Way, the Void, the Essence, God......however you want to say it, it is at work in everyone whether they are aware of it or not. You may think you know better how something should go. But perhaps not. Maybe their fate is the hard path, as mine and my husband's was. Ours was the ugly path of alcoholism, but nobody in the world could have 'come in and fixed either one of us' by being compassionate. It was by total humiliation that each of us respectively woke up and realized that we were pathetic specimens. My moment of life-changing awareness didn't come until I threw up all over my then-boyfriend. I heard a voice in my head that said "You're better than this." That was all it took. Actually, one would have thought I would have gotten the message after being drunkenly raped and strangled, or even arrested by my own police department that I was a member of.....for drunk driving, resisting arrest, and battery on a police officer. But somehow I just didn't hear the message until that one moment - that moment I heard the voice..... The same liberating opportunities will be given to us all if needed. It's up to us whether we wish to recover from our misery, whatever it may be. It's all good.

Also, his soul picked this path. He needs to walk it. He may be spiraling around for a long time. Something about not being able to lead a horse to water........

Isn't that the truth? There's a part of me that would love to live in a shack in Mexico like don Juan Mateus, out in the middle of nowhere, and worry about nothing but occasionally watering my bouganvilla. Reading and serendipity, that's all.

I keep the mindset that we are all One. The little black dots inside the eyes of another? Those are the same black spots that we have in our eyes - it is the blackness of Awareness that we all share to various degrees - and yet, somehow, we are all the same 'creature'. The animals have the black spots as well, so do insects. The invisible linefrom eye to eye, contact to contact, this is the 'web of awareness' that Castaneda refers to, the web that holds everything in place. How not to be compassionate when we are all the same creature? If it has black dots in its eyes, I must love it as myself. (Actually, I've found that loving myself is the most difficult of all, and once this is overcome, true compassion can arise). For one who had spent many years hating myself and trying to self-destruct, my attitude is now the polar opposite. It's taken many years of inner work. I have further to go. The Sage became the Sage and developed the 3 treasures from within himself. How else? He did the inner work, he modified himself, he made mistakes, he corrected them. Until something of true beauty was forged. Thank you for the topic, Aaron. I agree with you, this is not discussed enough.

Nice post, Sinancencer - the native American tradition is very close to my heart as well. My husband Joe, an apache man and a shamanic one as well, helped someone cross over the other day. What an honor it was, to have Mo die with his head in Joe's hands; Joe just told him to stop breathing, that it was no longer necessary for him to be here. There was one final breath after that, and then he just stopped breathing. what a beautiful transition. He had been suffering with cancer for a year.

Take it easy on the silk reeling. Are you exhaling when the spindle starts to show?