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That’s what I think too. See https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/53618-the-reason-why-a-person-who-only-has-qi-in-his-lower-abdomen-cant-understand the-huang-tingjing/?do=findComment&comment=982684

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Yes, a bit the same here. I like to call it a Daoist ‘going with the flow’.

(my bold) I agree, in Ch 3 “其 refers not to the people” , but to the 聖人.

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“only that you don't see it.” Lol, what bit of ~ as I see it ~ don’t you understand? “The TTC … (also) addressed the ruler “ Again, that depends on the translation. 聖人 also can be translated as ‘wise and virtuous person’. ~~~ 聖 Kroll dictionary includes the meanings: <possessing wisdom, judgement and moral excellence. a. profoundly wise and virtuous; sage(ly) >

Welcome to the forum. Seems to me you are very modest, as seems to me you have a lot of experience. Wishing you success with your exploring and practicing. : )

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But don’t use the Hoff book!

Does anyone know about the credentials of Hoff? Does he have knowledge of (ancient Chinese) palaeography?

Henricks thinks Chapter 5 is two separate unconnected parts. The two parts may have been removed from other chapters by ancient ‘Hoff-like’ reshuffling scribblers.

五行 | 就 是 | 木火土金水。 wu3 xing2 | jiù shì | mù huǒ tǔ jīn shuǐ. https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/53724-the-reason-why-a-person-who-only-has-qi-in-his-lower-abdomen-cant-understand the-wuzenpian/?do=findComment&comment=984807

The construction of the early bagua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFdCge5e_30

The ITjing number system started with 1 to 5. The consecutive numbers are opposite to each other. Number 5 is in the middle. The odd numbers are yang (陽 yang2) in white and the even numbers are yin (陰 yin1) in black. 6=5+1, 7=5+2, 8=5+3, 9=5+4. and 10= 5+5 (in the middle again).

The Ancient Chinese thought the earth was flat and had four corners. At the corners were oceans. 太一生水 tai4 yi1 sheng1 shui3 - Great One gave birth to water. Stefan Kappstein, Shen Shu (p 476 Dutch translation): The oldest ancient Chinese had a worldview based on the 4 directions. This was the basis later on for yin-yang and ITjing.

Picture of monkey in bagua: 胡一桂 (Hu2 Yi1 Gui4) cited the source as 京房易傳. Houtian Bagua around 305 BC, at the end of the Warring States period. Monkeys in Daoism thread: https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/53654-monkeys-in-daoism/?do=findComment&comment=982124