old3bob

Self is transcendent or can't really be nailed down but Prana/all energy is manifest as in "springing forth"

here is another: "Nyad tells the story of Diana Nyad, a marathon swimmer who broke records and achieved a number of firsts in the sport. At the age of 60, she decided to complete the feat she wasn’t able to when she was 28—swim the more than 100 miles from Cuba to Florida without the aid of a shark cage, powered only by her stubborn will and swimming prowess. The Cuba to Florida crossing, through the Florida Straits, has long held a mystique for marathon swimmers for its challenging conditions. Unlike the English Channel, where the water temperature averages about 62F, the Florida waters are warmer, in the 80F range, but that also means they are home to dangerous marine life—most notably sharks and box jellyfish, whose stings can transfer enough toxin to paralyze and even kill a person. The Gulf Stream also makes the currents quixotic, so if a swimmer isn't guided by a seasoned navigator, she could find herself pushed off course into the Gulf of Mexico or toward the Bahamas. A few people had attempted it, but only with shark cages, including Nyad during that first try in her 20s...." https://time.com/6330894/nyad-movie-true-story-netflix/

In Hindu terms I'd say all Prana which makes all things possible is not the Self but is connected to and manifested from the Self...

here we go ;-) “There is a beginning. There is no beginning of that beginning. There is no beginning of that no beginning of beginning. There is something. There is nothing. There is something before the beginning of something and nothing, and something before that. Suddenly there is something and nothing. But between something and nothing, I still don't really know which is something and which is nothing. Now, I've just said something, but I don't really know whether I've said anything or not.” ― Zhuangzi

I suggest putting that on wait and see until you see more... (btw the good guys do not "lord it over" with power on the rest of us)

yea some of that reflection is one aspect, then again I'd say such beings/guardians are not passive and take action if needed which is about their place in the order of things. (besides what or where any other being may be at or up to)

um, that is not what I meant, more like high level high voltage guardian beings (like some gods) do not "suffer fools gladly"...

anyway the "higher" the being one may interact with the better it is to have your shit together, since some do not "suffer fools gladly".

double post?

also fascinating...

nothing against the "Field" but lets not forget Maslow's hierarchy of needs that can't really be bypassed:

so it sounds like you didn't have to use water safety rescue methods on him, something I've had to use on an over confident ocean swimmer to prevent his drowning....

yea but does she know how to swim in the ocean? I remember being on the swim team in high school and at one meet there was a weight lifter on the opponents team, he looked impressive but was a very poor swimmer! (if folks have noticed good competitive swimmers have a different kind of build and muscle usage)

adults and children are being killed/murdered, they don't need an abstract "field" they need clean water, food, shelter, and their humanity, which btw the Tibetan Lama and monks fled to India for.

get real about mixed reality on earth, heaven is nice hell is much worse,