mrpasserby

@Cobie Interview with . Thanks for the vid. Star jumper passed on his liniage.

On 4/15/2023 at 1:16 AM, Antares said:

 Not directly from his writing but nevertheless I have one at least from an article of a сontemporary researcher.

 

 

Gratitude for finding and posting these words. I have no word smith skills to express the bounty of this type of cultivation and have failed for over a decade at attempts to share substantial enough words to make others understand this type of process (western mage), however I am a witness to the practices of this type leading to the cultivation of a functional over soul.  

Happy to see you back! 

Sorry I was off topic .

On 10/18/2022 at 2:25 PM, Lairg said:

Who can distinguish etheric travel from astral travel?

IMO: etheric realm travel requires an energized functional subtle energy body that can be used to travel within the etheric realm to gain experiences. Astral travel requires energizing your aura that acts like an antenna, to receive etheric astral experiences.

@helpfuldemon   

"There are probably many reasons for entering the Abyss.  I am not one of those that confer special status to the 7=4.  I believe they have achieved enlightenment and dedicate themselves to the higher good of mankind, but that might be reaching.  Certainly it takes something special to enter the Abyss, some Divine movement of the Gods, who knows?  In the end, they are no different than any other Adept."

I have enjoyed reading many of your recent posts.

To more clearly understand some of your comments in this and other of you posts. Can you please post your definition, of what you are calling the Abyss. Thanks

14 minutes ago, ralis said:

Why bother?

Because someone could get an epiphany.

46 minutes ago, ralis said:

47 pages and no answer yet? I'm waiting!  

My answer for the subtle body dualism team Lol: In my lineage everyone professing to have a functional subtle energy spirit body is critically tested 'for their sake' to prove to them that their subtle energy body is functional. (for those of you who are not clear on the Lol team name= Love of life Lol.

I would like to thank everyone who participated in this thread, I have experienced much cultivation. I am not against non-dualism as such, but from child hood I was trained to use my subtle energy body, on a regular basics to explore the mysteries of the other world(s) (same world but from a different perspectives).

It is regrettable that I do not understand/get non-dualism, I gain experience through my efforts, I don't seem to get much understanding out of books, so at least for now I am stuck in a dualism capacity. Again thanks for all of your kind efforts.

10 hours ago, Bindi said:

I do understand what you’re saying to an extent, my approach is also to untangle from as opposed to build up, but in my process this inevitably clears subtle channels which inevitably leads to an increasingly functioning subtle energy body. I suspect my sense of I will transfer completely to my subtle energy body at some point, I don’t expect it to disappear, though I don’t know this of course, I am merely making an educated guess. I do wonder if nondualists are attempting to destroy ego without having an alternative vessel prepared for ego. Nondual theory will shoot down that idea of course, but it might be true.

This is what I have wanted to say for a very long time. Many Thanks.

2 hours ago, stirling said:

We haven't discussed this and I sense this isn't the time yet to get to that point as it would lead to a great realization but everybody in this forum has sensed it: there's a wordwide phenomenon bigger than all of us taking place and we're all too scared to talk about it openly; I'm not going to get into it any further, lets wait til it happens and the coat is certainly on. Then we'll talk about it.

But it certainly is happening.

2 hours ago, stirling said:

I'd love to pitch in on a topic like that, and hear your ideas and fears. If something is happening, I'll be curious to see what it is.

I would be interested to read the posting on a subject of this magnitude, and I would enjoy adding my personal experiences on this subject as well. 

15 hours ago, stirling said:

 

At this point a beyond that is any-place or any-time else is obviously just getting lost, which isn't to say I didn't enjoy hanging out at Gloucester Place with the Theosophists, or in Crowborough with the Rosicrucians in the 90's, or piecing together my own cosmological tomes of theories that "resonated" with me. 

 

I can see auras, spectral monks, and dead people. It doesn't lead anywhere. The questions lead to more questions and don't tell you anything about the nature of reality. 

 

None of this is at all complicated. The complication, the mysteries, the standing stones, the prophesies etc. are fun, but really just entangled paths in a forest that lead nowhere.

 

As Manitou says, sagely, it is really just about stopping. Being still. Looking at what is here right now, in this moment. 

 

This is my personal experience.

Transcendence! 

18 hours ago, Bindi said:

I’ll try to explain my perspective in non-sexist terms, because I think it’s actually a most important point. In Daoist terms the Hun (spiritual, ethereal, yang) soul wants to ascend, the Po (corporeal, substantive, yin) soul wants to descend. These need to be reversed so that the Po soul rises and the Hun soul comes down, all I’m saying is that IME reversing the Po soul is the first thing to attend to. 
 

Rationally, this makes sense because the corporeal or earthly is more familiar to us, the spiritual or ethereal is the unknown. Dealing with what is within our sphere of comprehension (with you wei, self effort) leads to the spiritual soul force reversing its direction of its own accord (Wu wei)

I can't match your clear explicit (dualist) words, all that I have is experiences, then I attempt to enplane in words. I have seen in my lineage a ceremony that has that kind of a effect and until you posted I didn't know how to explain it. So I say "what you said"! The ceremony starts the transition of the change from the you in the physical body to the you in your functional subtill energy body, and I considered it to be like what you posted but not limited to it.

Also doesn't activating your 1000 petal lotus do something similar to razing yang and descending yin (at leas the energies)?

On 5/17/2022 at 5:04 PM, Bindi said:

Your heaven on earth is warm, friendly and creative, my heaven on earth involves active subtle energy healers who know what is in people’s hearts (for example Saint Seraphim of Sarov). The non-dualist must see this as too dual, I see the return of the non-dualist as not enough. 

We resonate in dualism on the subject of  active subtle energy healers also.

@Bindi

"My subtle energy body develops, but I didn’t set out to develop a subtle energy body. What happens to it at or after death I have no idea, nor is that really my interest, for now I’d like to go on until I see what a fully functioning subtle energy body does while I’m alive."

In my experience: It is necessary to practice energy generating alchemy, or to have great physical stamina to be able to experience a functional energy body.

On 5/20/2022 at 4:08 PM, Bindi said:

I don’t know if “light body” equals “immortal spiritual body”, I tend to think not. There’s the astral light body but this is quite limited, I feel the immortal spiritual body must be something more than this.

(taken from my personal linkage and experience):

In the past I have viewed a light body improvement initiation.

Making a "light body" functional sometimes called a "immortal spirit body", takes much work and practice, accompanied by exceeding uncomfortable testing and initiations. The discomfort and damage during the process, frequently has a notable impact upon the physical body.

38 minutes ago, Bindi said:

 

@Bindi  

"Do I have a fear of nonduality though? From my perspective my fear would be to identify with nondual perception as the final achievement, unaware that the job isn’t done. Ego is a mightily slippery customer."

I resonate with you on this point. Thanks

 

@ralis "A tap on the shoulder from whom?"

That was meant to be a complement, not a statement of fact.

@Bindi 'Re the spiritual quest causing problems and suffering, I do completely agree, if you don’t go through some then the heart isn’t being cleared. I like to think I cleared my heart in a slow way so less acute suffering, but plenty of suffering nonetheless. Maybe there’s more to come' 

That is wonderful news that you found a slow and not so painful way, and yes, I know that there are other ways to clear the heart some less painful then others.

@ralis I would really like to say what, group that I belong to. I should not say anything, but after decades, of keeping quiet, while most everyone else is free to quote this and that group I sometimes do a Freidan slip and mention my ilk. After reading your strong posts, I would be surprised if a variety of groups aren't already looking to give you a tap on the shoulder.

@ralis "I went through a similar event the likes of which I will never forget."

I am glade that you are threw that faze, in my ilk some form of that type of purification is expected.

On 5/18/2022 at 5:57 PM, Bindi said:

I don’t see why that would be. Energies exist, they flow stronger as obstructions are removed, and they make their way eventually to the central channel, No nondual recognition required. Nondual understanding will arise afterwards, but the understanding of it before entering the central channel would be a mere shadow, all to often mistaken to be the “cosmic Truth”, and no tools to see the error. 
Read Sri Aurobindo’s disclaimer:

At this stage the necessary knowledge and experience are usually lacking which would tell him that this is only a very uncertain and mixed beginning; he may not realise at once that he is still in the cosmic Ignorance, not in the cosmic Truth, much less in the Transcendental Truth, and that whatever formative or dynamic idea-truths may have come down into him are partial only and yet further diminished by their presentation to him by a still mixed consciousness. He may fail to realise also that if he rushes to apply what he is realising or receiving as if it were something definitive, he may either fall into confusion and error or else get shut up in some partial formation in which there may be an element of spiritual Truth but it is likely to be outweighted by more dubious mental and vital accretions that deform it altogether.

Wake up nondualists!

And what good is a light body? 

 

I have enjoyed reading this thread, most of the subject matter is over my head, however this question by @Bindi "And what good is a light body? ", is something that I have experience with, and in the past I have posted some similarities to my practice, that are within the context of Taoist Neidan.

Some of the things that a light body can be used for:

Spend time in otherworld temples

Conversing with other witches, mages, sorcerers, in England or other countries, to learn about references, information to arcane lineage.

Visit other mages to collect or pay otherworld debts
Work with damaged spirits to help them evolve to the next level of evolution

Passing through earth gates, to explore otherworld

Participating in otherworld initiations

Work to build otherworld domain 

Neidan, or internal alchemy (simplified Chinese: 內丹术; traditional Chinese: 內丹術; pinyin: nèidān shù), is an array of esoteric doctrines and physical, mental, and spiritual practices that Taoist initiates use to prolong life and create an immortal spiritual body that would survive after death (Skar and Pregadio 2000, 464 https://www.google.com/search?q=Taoist+neidan+def&oq=Taoist+neidan+def&aqs=chrome..69i57.3582j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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On 2/28/2022 at 5:28 PM, Lairg said:

I knew a woman, daughter of a witch.   Apparently when the witch was dying she shared out her familiar spirits among her children - fearing that none was able to handle the whole group.

 

Is that a basis for a hermetic lineage - passing on familiar spirits?

In my experience: After my moms death I was able to acquire a certain number of my families trusted spirits. IMO: this had nothing to do with my lineage, but just my training at working with spirits.

19 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

I wonder if some usages damage the etheric and astral bodies.  

 

It seems that such damage can be carried over into the next incarnation

That is a good question that I don't know the answer to.