Pilgrim

Excellent video Steve thank you so much for sharing it.  

9 minutes ago, lightbody09 said:

About Kundalini (which happened many years ago and it was just the beginning of my path) I honestly don't know what to say or think. Too much has been said, too much confusion nowadays. 

But I'd like to know your view about it for sure.

It may just be the way you worded it. "Until the crown"

Muladhara is the accepted seat of Kundalini Wrapped around a Shiva Lingham etc...

What is in the Muladhara is very feminine energy.

The crown must open for the Kundalini Awakening to occur. If it does not at least to the extent that the entire spine become energized with bliss that is beyond anything you have ever experienced that grows ever stronger by the moment  scouring you from the inside out then what you have is a bit of a precursor for the event which is to come.

When it has occurred you will know. If you have not prepared then there  is possible to damage the body when it does. There are many stories of this including my own but that is not important.

For me it went like this.

I took up the practice of ZaZen spent time with a teacher every Sunday and practiced daily on my own.

Practice involved counting from Zero to Ten.

When each number was mentally verbalized I would feel it to its root even as the impermanent echo of the thought evaporated and then move on to the next number.

From this I learned to reach the still point or zero point of mind for the briefest of times.

Then this became a very slowing of the thoughts and a refinement of the mind until it became very gossamer and a gentle thing.

The brief still points soon merged and grew in duration.

This was when I discovered the source of all energy comes from the stillness the stretching out of the silence. 

In the stillness I felt the energy enter through the crown hitting obstructions along the way the first was the sixth center especially its rear trigger point at the back of the head where neck joins the skull.

It hit other obstructions in the spine as well and each of the centers vibrated like a chorus of Angels singing each releasing extreme bliss this energy went straight to the base of the spine and when it did it joined with what it found there and then both qualities blended and joined.

The cosmic energy coming in from the Crown is masculine the energies held at the Muladhara are feminine they are drawn to each other and the energies stored at the base are reluctant to move. So the energies from above come down and when they meet they recognize each other and become whole in their joining.

At this time there is so much happening that it is nearly impossible to tell any direction to the energy at all it is like a surging internal energetic dance that takes place and goes and goes and the longer it goes on the stronger it gets to the point where the physical body reacts very strongly.

So Kundalini awakening is very much an event and is dependent upon the energies from above coming down and rousing the energies from below and when they merge it is unmistakable.

In many ways it is funny the female rarely seeks a consort. The male on the other hand often pursues and it is no different here either.

If a person reads carefully I have just given instruction on Kundalini awakening and also must follow up with a grave warning. You need to purify the central channel and separate the side channels from sticking and twisting forming knots or otherwise there can be physical and emotional effects that are very difficult to deal with and your Karma will accelerate as well as that of those around you especially those you are close to.

Kundalini is transformation.

4 hours ago, lightbody09 said:

something more foundamental isn't quite clear to me: what is the actual goal of cultivation and of Taoism more in general?

From what I have seen this person may be able to answer this question if she @Small Fur is so inclined I have read some of her replies and they are quite excellent.

3 hours ago, Jeff said:

If you have actually achieved permanent peace, happiness and satisfaction, then why do you still seem to be pursuing more and are not really satisfied?

I believe his point is, is this all there is?  Furthermore even though worded cleverly he does not claim to having achieved permanent peace, happiness and satisfaction.

3 hours ago, Jeff said:

And if you have opened all of your chakras, what cool things have you found you can do?

Do not recall him saying he has, just what he believes was a a Kundalini awakening until the crown chakra which actually reveals it was not a real Kundalini awakening but rather some stored prana getting released likely from the lower centers as the true source of Kundalini comes from the crown. If it is not open there is no Kundalini awakening. 

4 hours ago, lightbody09 said:

I'm genuinely looking for a real efficient safe practice to see what light body actually means, especially if it improves compassion, kindness, love, etc.

In the end after everything else has been said this is what he states he desires.

These are good questions and his two main lines of  inquiry have not been answered as far as I have seen at any time on this site, wouldn't mind seeing actual answers. 

#1. Being 

4 hours ago, lightbody09 said:

All this to ask you guys, what is the so called Enlightenment in the Taoist tradition?

 

I'm asking this for 2 reasons:

1. I don't see the connection with endless cultivation, I mean to achieve what beside permanent peace, happiness, satisfaction?

2. If a person, as in my case (I'll spare you the whole story which started with a spontaneous kundalini awakening until the crown chakra and it happened out of the blue, but I've been extremely lucky and blessed, I'll be grateful forever), does feel, or "has achieved" if you prefer, permanent peace, happiness and satisfaction, what is the point of cultivation?

 

#2. Being 

4 hours ago, lightbody09 said:

well yes I'm genuinely looking for a real efficient safe practice to see what light body actually means

Refreshing

Grabs Crackers and Mustard hmm Hey Jimmy where is the Limburger?

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Live anew 

8 minutes ago, Apech said:

Forgive

Heal

Forget

1 hour ago, C T said:

Im more interested to know what people use for door stops nowadays. 

You'd be amazed at the creativity. Old cameras. Did you know old cameras make handy door stops? 

Expedience. Thats what it boils down to mate. 

Making hay while the sun shines springs to mind. 

 

 Best doorstop ever is a burnt out Battery Backup (UPS)

Bacon 🥓 

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

Tantra (especially) loves to pry open, dredge out and challenge practitioners' beliefs and make a mockery of them often. 

Very true.

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

Regarding the notion of self though, I think investigative insight will yield greater clarity when beliefs are replaced by experiential knowing (prajna). 

Anyone who has known me for years will get what the laugh is about.

Formerly E.K.  Now I know it could have been shortened to (Prajna)

3 hours ago, Zero Inf said:

Hello everyone,

While doing Internet research on Qigong I found this forum and after surfing for a while thought about joining myself.

I am not sure what to expect and the objectives of the forum. Hope the seniors and veterans would help me.

Now for some introductory questions from my side:

1. After reading for about 2-3 days I found quite some infos on Qigong but I'm not sure if Qi or Chi is a real thing. Is it really possible feeling, storing and transforming Qi etc?

2. I found writings about ancient texts describing techniques such as Xi sui jing, Yi jin jing, Iron shirt, Small circulation etc. Do they really help harness great human potentials?

3. Though there are lots of writings about ancient texts and techniques there doesn't seem much reliable sources that can guide one step by step to learn about them and practice Qi and Martial arts. Can I find materials needed for training in the internet? And as most of the techniques are from ancient times they should be free context for everyone but I see people selling them. Can't I learn the real stuff without paying?

Thanks for taking me.

Welcome, @Starjumper Hey Steve care to field this one? Thought of how frank you are on stuff like this and a new searcher could use real advice.

11 hours ago, dwai said:

 

Just a quick note about returning to the causal, after awakening. That is not correct imho. 

 

Causal body/causal plane is pure being veiled by Tamoguna. When awakening occurs, the limitations of the body-mind are transcended. So there is no longer going back to causal plane. The three bodies - physical, Astral and causal are realized as being appearances within the One without a second, aka the Self, which is nondual, free from all limitations, etc.

 

Thanks you just said what I was trying to. 

Yeppers 😘

I do not view it the same as some, no my view is rather inclusive. 

5 hours ago, C T said:

Assume it all begins at A. 

Curiosity sets in 

One sees lots of things manifesting within A

That curiosity prompts ideas that these manifestations are not-A

since each appear to have its own separate identity

Fragmentation sets in

Restlessness follows

One seeks to return to A

Lots of hard work, frustrations, seeming breakthroughs felt

 A dawning of satisfaction and sense of achievement 

that all the hard work paid off

And one has at long last attained freedom

Suddenly one startles from that dream

 realizes, with much laughter (and tears)

No matter how much one tries

One could never

be separated from 

A

This part I agree with but it comes much, much later and requires a degree of self awareness.

I would say it starts from the casual realm yet what is there lacks awareness it is just pure being.

The term awake and awakening Is often used. I posit it goes even deeper than conventional usage and state that the primordial state  not only lacked awareness but woke.

Upon awakening it got a mind and sensory apparatus of some sort but was both dumb and ignorant beyond what anything call-itself a cat would believe even.

So it became the elements and got experience as Mind, Ether, Air, Fire, Water and earth.

Then spent quite some time as each until learning to combine and become something more complex.

Eventually leaving the mineral Kingdom for the Plant kingdom to the viral kingdom the bacterial the aquatic of many forms the reptilian, The mammalian of many forms and finally as a creature much like an ape walking upright with a sufficiently developed Brain and nervous system to become self questioning tool and language using creature.

upon gaining self awareness and greater sentience the creature becomes quite mad for millions of incarnations and in the later stages calms and begins seeking its own true nature.

Being quite unable to see the future it looks to the past for answers. And it comes up with things like the primordial.

The original state of abject mindless abandon of just existing and thinks oh what a burden this mind with never ending thoughts how nice it would be to just be aware.

Awareness with clarity ah such a wonderful imagined state.

Truth is it was never so wonderful nor was the primordial state or else it never would have been left behind.

Certainly curiosity has played a huge part and always will.

Not knowing what the future holds we create all kind of ingenious systems to  return to the casual plane nice dips and we come back soaking wet and feel much better.

We call it Samadhi. But this is only part of the deal.

What we are really doing is waking up constantly to our own evolution by constantly living. 

Eventually we will return to the casual but not as the same ignorant infantile beings we started out as but fully awake and adult.

When that happens there will be no reason to return to all which has been lived no affinity and then the journey will continue beyond what any mortal may hope to imagine.

23 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

 

If we are all Buddha's, One like Siva.. however you want to say it but it is unrealized in the present moment. How did that happen?

 

What is the end state for your tradition?

 Kriya more than anything else is about actualizing the Gita. 

22 hours ago, Jonesboy said:

 

I use this.. 

 

I am sure some others might be able to give you a more detailed explanation.

 

I am curious why all the emphasis on the "Primordial State"  This in plain old English means "First State".

To me this is the very definition of anti evolutionary or devolvement to a no - thing  and makes less than zero sense,  since it it is tantamount to saying,    hmm We should do our best to return to Egg and Sperm.

Guess I am missing something.

Seems to me pointless to have come from the primordial state only to seek comfort in becoming nothing again in fact the direction is backasswards. 

Seems to me they have latched onto gong backwards instead of the natural obvious motion of progression which is away from the starting point, wow what a joke if this is indeed the case.

23 hours ago, Fa Xin said:

I always get confused when Buddhist books mention “mind”. what do they mean? My western “mind” gets definition tangled with this word.

Shit you think that is hard   try dealing with people puking up local mind and not bothering to explain what the heck they are talking about. Lol how about an explanation on that since it keeps coming up?

On 6/25/2019 at 3:29 PM, Jonesboy said:

Here is an interesting quote from Norbu on Tantra from the book Dzogchen Teachings.

 

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In general, Tantra is a Sanskrit word used also in Hinduism; but even
though the same word is used, it does not always have the same meaning.
In the Tantric teachings of the Buddhist tradition, tantra means
our real condition. In the real sense, tantra means “continuity,” or “continuation.”
What does continuity of our real nature mean? It means a
recognition or understanding of our energy level.

 

For example, we have infinite thoughts arising that can be good or bad.
We also have a conception of good and bad, but the root of these thoughts is
relative to our energy, a kind of movement of thought, the source of which
is part of our real condition. If we observe a thought, where is it? Where
does it go? When we observe it, we cannot find anything. What we always
find is emptiness, the real condition of all things, the Dharmadhatu.
Immediately after one thought, another thought arises. When we
observe this second thought, it disappears, and we find only emptiness.
Immediately after that, the third and fourth thoughts arise, and this
continues infinitely. We have this infinite movement because we have
that potentiality, that energy, in our nature. This is the real meaning of
continuation—continuation of emptiness and movement, energy and
movement, again and again, without interruption. That knowledge and
understanding is the principle of the Tantric teaching, and is related
more to our energy level.

Although not transmitted on the physical level by the Buddha, this
teaching was transmitted through his manifestation. This is a characteristic
feature of Tantric teaching. Those who follow this kind of teaching
need more capacity to follow and understand. The physical level is
always easier to understand. For example, if you see someone coming,
what you see is their physical body. It is not so easy to see the energy
level of that person. If someone had no physical body, but was only energy
or mind, you wouldn’t be able to see them. If you could, it would
mean you had a special capacity. That is an example of how energy is

more difficult to understand.

 

Do you have a link for the book? or just the title?  What page is this on?  hope it is on kindle.

Appointment scheduled for a bit later can reply now.

From the very start there is a deep feeling of connection and familiarity with TWR it is like love for a family member and deep respect.

When the invocations are sung I can hardly even get the words right but the feeling in my heart is one of soaring joy that often makes me cry with a releasing and rapturing type of effect.

Truly tears of joy and the words so soothing and familiar from the first time I ever heard them like a long ago memory familiar and sacred with no knowledge they should be.

Tapritsa , when it comes to this being I was drawn to him immediately just like TWR. 

To connect to him requires willingness and and openness to be helped.

For me this was very easy like something natural that I forgot but was remembering but not clearly.

So I simply become open to accepting aid and my heart opens and and my heart is connected to his.

Divine vibration flows from this being and I resonate with his heart improving my own washing away so many lodged things.

When AH is chanted the purification of the body I feel the connection as described above but coming into the head and my crown crackles and swirls with energy and my forehead fairly glows with vibration and here I feel the etheric double taking on the vibration of the elder and the tradition. The changes are felt happening things align and resonate better like an installment being tuned.

When Om is changed the throat speachnis purified and I feel more inclined to soft words making them easier to chew when I have to eat them and a more compassionate caring attitude towards others. I find that even though I can be blunt I prefer gentle in my interactions with others in everyday life.

When we chant HUNG the heart connection is reinforced as we purify the mind.

There is a great feeling of love and sorrow and memories I do not even remember acquiring being released and quite allot o relief but this particular cleansing is very overwhelming for me and I often have to wait along time before practicing and grow into the changes or it gets overwhelming.

Afterwards I feel much different and it is similar to the Paravastha state of Kriya where one is naturally abiding in the after effects.

The after effects are a very calm contented state of stillness spaciousness and silence and it is good but all the while the momentum of change is taking place like a tire let go of on a hill keeps rolling faster.

1 minute ago, Jonesboy said:

 

Thank you for the video.

 

Do you mind sharing what the connection is like for you during and after the practice?

Ah now this I can do and will. Right now getting ready to go to a client will reply later.

For now I will say it is a beautiful practice

2 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

It is the practice, and an excellent example of such. In this, there is a general understanding of having recieved the teachings (and the students he is practicing with have most likely recently received teachings on the practice).

 

 

You are right it is indeed the practice but having learned it already left that part out. Thanks for clarifying that.

Sorry not the best example of the practice in the video in the actual teaching he goes way more in depth this is very on the surface.

Darn I forgot TWR does give a lot away for free.

Here is one of his utube videos doing Guru Yoga practice. Not sure he uses the same phrase short on time but want you to see this Jonesboy. 😊