KenBrace

The only thing I felt was placebo in my LDT. After enough mind games I got to the point where I was sure I was clearly feeling heat. I started to realize though that it wasn't the same thing as described by Jim and others. Once I stopped trying to feel it, it naturally went away. When most people say that they feel and vibrations (at one point I thought I was starting to feel that too). I haven't even gone as deep in meditation as is described by John Chang in TMoJ but what I experience has already been 10x more real and obvious than the placebo stuff. I'm not talking about the progress signs. I'm talking about similar but different sensations and feeling that occur as I start to getting closer to the state between waking and sleeping. I'm not near as deep as I could be and based on that I can only imagine what it would be like to be in that state. 1,000x more real than "chi balls" "chi sensitivity" sort of stuff. Not even remotely comparable.

Yeah I had to manually fill in the picture of Chang with a paintbrush in Photoshop. Which banner looks the best to you?

Thanks for the input guys. I think I'm going to go with the one Brian and gatito suggested. I like the coloring of the letters in Idiot_Stimply's vote but I have a hard time with the fact that it doens't look centered (due to the fact that the "neigong" is a longer word than "forum". The only banner I forgot to include is this one... The only difference is the solid lettering border rather than it being transparent. Which do you guys think looks better?

I like the colors as well. I do agree that maybe a little too much is going on in it.

There is a difference between the "heat" and "vibrations" that most people think theu feel, and the real signs that are experienced in level one.

For example: MP lvl 1

And something that requires strength to resist rather than "chi sensitivity. Again, the exact opposite. Basically we are talking about something that is real vs something that isn't.

A meditation that produces real effects and doesn't require "believing" or "thinking you maybe felt something". Basically placebo vs uncontrolable effects. Exact opposite.

Which one? http://thetaobums.com/topic/35300-which-neigong-forum-banner-is-best/

Here's that quote btw... "Yes,” he said. “I know that there are for sure two and I can sense eight more. I think that there are at least ten.” -The Magus Of Java p93

lol

I define neigong as "Any practice that involves the evolution of the spirit through the cultivation of internal power and the fusion of Yin and Yang Qi" So based on that definition and what was said in the Magus of Java (do I really have to go find that quote?) there are only around ten masters alive that have made it past the fusion of yin and yang in the lower dan tien so I assume that each of these masters practices their own system, hence there are only around 10 REAL neigong systems. That is according to my definition of neigong though. Most everything else is qigong I'd say.

Spam? I thought it was kindu funny myself.

20 years maybe? LoL I'm guessing you watched the hoverboard video with Tony Hawk?

"Any neigong system"? There are only about 10 of those on Earth.

Could be. I'm not a scholar so I can't really say for sure.

Sure. Level 1 = Sitting meditation. This meditation involves pin point, lazer like focus on the LDT while in a profoundly deep state of meditation where breathing, pulse, brain activity slow down to a point that would be considered "dead" in a hospital. Sign 1 = Heat it the dan tien like intense fire. According to Jim it eventually reaches the point to where it actually becomes physically painful and almost makes it hard to continue training. Sign 2 = Vibrating sensation that feels like you are in an earth quake. Once you experience this second sensation you are ready for level 2a. However even though you should begin level 2a you still have to continue level 1 as well. Level 2a = Standing exercise that helps to compress yang chi in the lower dan tien and open up the channels that lead to the palms of the hand. After training levels 1 & 2a together for a while, you begin the core level 2 exercise which is a sitting meditation (known as level 2b). Level 2b = Seated meditation involving the compression and cultivation of yang chi in the lower dan tien (I assume that this meditation is done in the same meditative state ad level 1). Hope that helps!

I heard it means "lineage" which is basically the same thing. Mo = Mo Tzu Pai = Lineage Therefore Mo Pai = Mo Tzu Lineage That's what I always figured it meant.

I mean no offense, just stating what I believe to be true. I've tried probably 10-15 random systems before I got involved with Mo Pai and found none of them to do anything worth while. I tried hard to "believe" that I was doing something and got what I thought were some results after months of telling myself I would feel something or experience something. I got tired of it though. I realized that I was doing nothing but playing make believe mind games in my head. I wasn't getting anywhere even though I had tried my best to "believe" I was. That's what originally drew me to Mo Pai. My goals back then where a lot different than they are now, but the fact that I wanted something real hasn't changed. I was wore out and sick of never getting anywhere. Even though I didn't have any particular goal I knew I wanted something real that didn't require "believing" and Mo Pai stood out like a a light house from the endless sea of spiritual practices and systems. Just know that when I say I think "everyone here is level zero" "just about everything is non-sense" etc. I'm not aiming insults at people or trying to offend them. I might offend people in doing so but that isn't my intention, nor do I have negative feelings or motives when I do so. That's just what I think based on my own experience. Maybe I'm wrong.

I'd say it's in the right hands.

Yeah. Doesn't mean that the info given about level one and Mo Pai in general isn't true though. He did include the fact that Chang didn't refer to himself as a taoist keep in mind. Didn't just leave it out and lie or whatever.

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Just because Kosta changed his interests doesn't mean that he lied and made up a bunch of crap in his books. I still think what was written in the book came from Chang which means (in my opinion) that it's true.

Sorry for my earlier post. It was a joke but I realize it wasn't really appropirate. I appolize to anyone I offended. EDIT: I'll do my best not to post anything like that again.