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  1. New Here - Looking for a Teacher

    Hello everyone! This is my first time ever posting on an online forum : ) I tried to see if something like this had been posted somewhere else but I couldn't find anything recent. I came to this site because I have been trying to find a teacher in the Mo Pai school of Nei Gong, or something very similar. Like probably all of you I've seen that famous old documentary video of John Chang working wonders with his Qi. I read "the magus of java" as well. And again like probably all of you, I've desired that kind of spiritual aptitude/adeptness for a very long time. I started researching the mo pai levels and trying to find information on practice, but I find info that is either untrustworthy or comes from a teacher I know nothing about. And even if the practices in a book are correct...well, i've been at the spiritual practice game long enough to know that having a teacher is crucial for these things to work right and come alive in the right way. Besides, anyone who's truly been practicing these things knows that they can be dangerous without proper guidance. I want a flesh and blood teacher who can teach me up to "level 4" in this system, or again something very similar to it. I'm at the point in my life where I can afford to travel to study with a true teacher, and I can think of no better use of my time and finances. Even if John Chang no longer accepts students, surely some of his students do, or his students' students. These types of practices - manifestation and influencing the world through one's own inner energy, are very close to my heart. I was especially moved by John Chang's ability to heal with this power. I've read of such things in the yogic and tantric traditions, but no one ever discusses techniques to make it happen. A little bit about my spiritual background. I've studied and practiced meditation in the soto zen, tibetan buddhist, and kashmiri shaivism styles. Currently I am very invested in the meditation and energetic practices of kashmiri tantra. I participate in an active native american sweat lodge community, and I've practiced hatha yoga for many years, as well as greek hermeticism. Although I've practiced qigong and studied chinese medicine and daoism, it's admittedly been more of a backburner thing until several months ago.In terms of martial arts, I did TKD for a while as a kid, but haven't followed up much. Several months ago I began doing Bagua in the Ma Gui lineage. My teacher's just had me doing circle walking and palm changes - less martial stuff for now as the tendon changing just starts out. But this Mo Pai and Nei Gong stuff feels like what I've been looking for all along. You know the feeling. For work, I ply my living as a classical astrologer. I majored in philosophy and am a huge ancient language nerd. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. TL;DR Do you know of any authentic teachers of Mo Pai Nei Gong or something similar who are currently accepting students?
  2. Ive been doing lots of research, trying to gather as much information on such things as the abilities developed in certian lineages discussed in this forum, before I begin my own journey diving into the universe.
  3. I will intdoduce my shelf to all of you again after being absence long time from the martial arts and nei kung forums... I was taught the system of five animals and hard chi kung in the period 1992-2000 by Antonios Iatrakis in Heraklion Crete and I reached a teacher level (In 1997 I was given a black belt and the first Dan). This system is genealogy of Shu Pui Cheung, based in Philadelphia's China Town. The kung fu of this kind includes movements in combination with breath, such as the tiger associated with the bones, the crane associated with the nervous system, the leopard associated with power and speed, the snake associated with controlling the chi-prana (animal power) and finally the dragon, who combines all four previous animals into one and symbolizes spirit-perfection. On the journey of my internal search until 2008 I was taught, I received influences and guidance from several teachers, some of which are: Kostas Vrettos (wu taiji form and sword) Panayiotis Kontaxakis (chi kung of the sun, chi kung of the spine, iron shirt and opening the microcosmic track.) Master Don Ankut (Korean based in New York, from whom I taught iron shirt chi kung twenty-four animals and tai chi chi kung, dan tien chi kung) Wang ting jun (Xing Shen Zhuan) In the last ten years, I have practiced beside master Kenneth Bone (the only personal student of BO MA, a high-grade Buddhist monk and teacher at Jade Buddha Temple in Shanghai), from whom I fully taught the following: 1. Chen taiji chuan 3 frames (new, old, small). The main feature of chen tai chi is the switching of slow and fast spiral movement as well as the explosions at the end of the movements, of course, if we choose it. Some of the benefits of the proper tai chi execution to health are the following: Due to the very slow and constant speed of movement (we can only choose slow motion, if our goal is health) the body muscles are stimulated at the cellular level while the heart pushes the blood even to the smaller capillaries. This makes tai chi an excellent cardiovascular exercise. At the same time, the muscular and neuronal control capacity is gradually increased at a more sophisticated level. During the exercise of tai chi, the soles of the feet as well as a part of our intent, our mind are rooted in the soil with consistency in addition to the external stability to gain emotional balance. In addition, during the execution of the form, alignments of some parts of the body are made, while others are symmetrically arranged in relation to specific axes and points. This makes the contribution of tai chi to the prevention and treatment of orthopedic problems decisive. Because of the spiral movements combined with the intent, chi is driven to the joints and from there to the bone marrow where the blood is produced. This helps to strengthen the bones, to clean the bone marrow and thus to better oxygenate and revitalize the body. It is, therefore, an excellent anti-aging exercise. The constant intention of pulling from the earth and the top of the head from the sky dilates, strengthens the spine and exalts the spirit. Finally, all our moves should be guided by our intention, with the consequence of pushing the chi to the various parts of the body.This is meditation in movement, which strengthens our macrocosmic orbit. White crane (white crane from the lineage of master wee kee jin perfrected in my opinion by the great buddhist monk BO MA). The feature of this system is the combination of breathing exercises, tendon nei kung and bone- chi vibrations. Wild goose if the execution is done by the secret method, it is one of the most effective energy practices that combines stretching exercises and light vibrations to open energy meridians as well as detoxify the body. It includes two forms for opening the microcosmic and macroscopic track, respectively. Each "move" of this form can be used individually as a separate exercise, aiming at specific benefits. Swimming Dragon.. Form with the main aim of exercising the kidneys and opening the third eye. Mara qigong This form deals entirely with the spine and with the opening of all acupuncture points left and right. It looks very much like yoga on the move with the palms of the hands united. Mo pai the proper one not the ritual and demonic one LOST KUNG FU SUSTEM iam also train a system of a series of 12 spiraling forms very old and very very rare !!!! when I asked my sifu to tell me the name of this system, told me that he did not knew the name and that his teacher never mentioned from where come from. I believe that these forms are arcetypes for pakua, taichi xing yi system
  4. It is important to point out one school of cultivation that has drifted far from the original intent of chi kung and that is Mo Pai. Some westerner tourists went to visit an acupuncture doctor in Java for an eye problem and ran across a fellow popularly known as John Chang, although that is not his real name. John had cultivated chi power for many decades and had the ability to give people electric shocks. The travelers were very impressed and made some videos of him giving people shocks, lighting small LED lights, and igniting some paper on fire with his chi energy. A book titled "Magus of Java" was also written about john. The videos and the book were big hits in the West, and made john and his system, Mo Pai, popular. For many people in the West it was their first exposure to the idea that chi power and special abilities actually existed, and of course people wanted to learn to do these things themselves, which is natural for beginners. However there is a big problem with all this: You need to know that John Chang got in big trouble for demonstrating his abilities in public and for teaching Westerners, for which he was fired from his position as headmaster of the school. Westerners are now not allowed into the school for a good reason. There are a couple of short term Western students who were strictly beginners, they were unqualified to teach and did not have permission to teach; yet they have taught the very little that they had learned anyway. Based on these meager and misled teachings an internet forum or two has sprung up in order to promote these teachings of what are called levels one and two, only two levels out of a purported 72 levels. The important thing to note is that each level consist of only one technique. The people who are in the forum are popularly known as Western Mo Pai Students, or WMPS, and pronounced Wimps. Actually the levels do not exist and are a trick that was played on the Western students. Those guys spent years practicing only these two exercises and that is all they learned. John Chang did not speak English and is one of the masters who speaks very little, following the philosophy mentioned in theTao Te Ching, that the sage does not speak. The fact that only two exercises were taught over a period of some years should be a big red flag for anyone interested in cultivation Mo Pai via the Wimps. Chi kung normally consists of systems that contain contain many different techniques for cultivating health and strength and some include methods of cultivating chi power. Nei kung systems are much vaster and contain many hundreds to thousands of techniques. This shows that Mo Pai is actually not a system of nei kung, which it is purported to be, In true nei kung systems the student learns quite a few techniques each month and usually several new techniques each week. When students practice only one or two techniques and the teacher doesn't explain much it is normal to try to figure out what is happening and this leads to arriving at all kinds of ideas as to the principles, many of which one finds are incorrect after they advance further. However these Westerners did not advance further and so they filled in the blank spaces with some wild imaginings, which they passed on to the Wimps. The Wimps, in turn are ruled over by a high pressure asshole dictator type, who made up further things about the practice, and if one doesn't kow tow to the dictator they are banned from the forum. For example, the original stolen teachings mention sitting in full or half lotus but do not mention grounding. In his wild imaginings one of the Western traitor/students, not knowing how grounding really works, decided that grounding was important and so wrote about that. The dictator of the Wimps took it a step further and declared that people who sit indoors need to sit on a bare wire and have the wire go outside and be connected to the ground, they also think its best to sit on the bare ground with a bare bottom while meditating. These things are patently ridiculous, It is possible to cultivate all the power one could imagine by sitting in chairs indoors, and it ignores some basic facts about how to cultivate and also ignores some commonly known scientific facts which are that both people's skin and the soil on the ground are good insulators and not electrical conductors.. -------------------------------- Warning about the second exercise: So while the first exercise, called level one is fine as plain old meditation, the re are some serious problems with the second exercise, called level two. It is concerning level two and the requirement to create a lot of tension. Lao Tsu wrote in the TTC that rigidity, which is the same as the tension used, is the way of death, while softness and flexibility is the way of the vibrant and living. It has similarities to Iron Shirt, and Iron Shirt is for creating resistance to blows and is not for health or longevity. This is what I have to say about chi kung that uses tension, and you can quote me on this: "Most of them are going to die young", which echoes the sentiments of Lao Tzu, who appears to have been a nei kung master. In my system we aim for maximum softness at all times, while at the same time doing some strenuous physical activity. The physical strain is only in the muscles being used for he movement and so is natural. All muscles not involved in the movement must be soft and relaxed, which is one very beneficial thing as it trains you to relax maximally in the face of stress. There is another thing, if I want to push someone or myself with energy I will use some tension in the muscles involved int he push, which does include the shoulders, chest, stomach and back in a way similar to the level two practice. This is something I do instinctively, I wasn't instructed to do this. the important points is that it is natural to tense these muscles when pushing something and breathing out, plus a push is only for a couple of seconds. To create a lot of tension while breathing in slowly and then holding the breath and tension for as long as possible is very unnatural and is 'backwards'. My friendly Taoist wizard/immortal/teacher and mentor who was uber advanced put it this way: "Never hold your breath!" It is safe to say that doing level two is unsafe and will hurt you, not maybe, and not if you do it a lot. It will hurt you for sure, and every time. Every single time chips another little bit off the longevity measuring stick of your life, and it isn't worth it to be able to give people little electric shocks or light a piece of paper on fire. There are other ways to gain magical healing abilities that do not involve creating tension. In fact all legitimate schools of Taoist nei kung will lead a person to experience magic, real magic, and they are done softly. It's different for the Western Mo Pai psychophants though, they only know about level two and so they will be continually doing this tension creating practice, which is shortening their lives and creating not only physical tension which stays with them when they aren't practicing but a lot of emotional tension which blends with their egotistical desire for power in ugly ways. As we can all very easily see. ----------------------------------- Warning: What is happening now is that since the information is now available to the public, the Western Mo Pai student's self proclaimed leader, who is insane, is claiming to know more than just the first two exercises which were smuggled out of the orient. He and his followers, who are either also insane or power hungry, are claiming this because it furthers their power and makes them feel special. They imagine themselves being the only ones in the West who are so exalted, because there is a video of John giving people little electric shocks. They now claim to know exercise #3 and to have figured out all 72 levels. BEWARE of this. They do not have this information because the Asian Mo Pai students find them very annoying and will not help them in any way. In fact they complain about them and insist that they stop hurting people.
  5. Greetings. As I have not found a more appropriate place to ask this question, I created this topic just for that. What I wish to know is what book is Jim McMillan refering to when he mentions he's been reading about some of the effects meditation can have on our body. If I recall correctly, there's also a part where he says the author of that particular book does some kind of work which requires the chi to circulate the body, going from the bottom of our pelvis to the top of our head, or something of the sorts. If someone can help me with that, I will me most grateful.
  6. First Post: Discovering Mo Pai Nei Kung

    Discovering Mo Pai Nei Kung Hey everyone, I'm new here and searching for something. If you're curious; I just turned 25, and I'm from the US. I'm interested in learning Mo Pai Nei Kung... So, I'm here! From what I've found online, John Chang's school and students are in Indonesia somewhere. So, it looks like I'm moving there (somewhere) after I finish my schooling (around 2-4 more years). I'm dedicated, so I read whatever I can about Mo Pai and similar schools. If you know of anyone or anything that may help me on my path, please don't hesitate to let me know. P.S. I've heard that they don't accept students from the US anymore. I'm ok with that. I feel that this is part of my path in this life... So, if it's meant to happen, it will. If not, I know I will have tried my hardest. Thanks for taking the time to read this and learn a little bit about who I am. Enjoy the rest of your day... Namaste.
  7. For anyone who was wondering neigongforum.com was down for two days due to a way over-complicated hosting transfer. It took two days of hard work but it should be running correctly now like before. If you run into any errors be sure to let me know.
  8. Neigong Forum Relaunched! I proposed the idea of starting a nei gong forum. I kindu gave up since I really had no clue what I was doing or how to start one, but after tons of research I got the hang of it and decided to go for it. Anyways everyone seemed to support the idea so for everyone that PMed me saying they were interested and who commented on the thread I thought I'd announce it in case you missed it. There is also something I'd like to say to The Tao Bums community. I've had some heated debates with some of you in the past and some of you I don't particularly like, but none of that will carry over to my new forum. I'm starting fresh over there and I'd like everyone to know that they are welcome to join the forum and participate if they wish. Even if I disagree with you, you are still welcome to express your opinion freely. The only thing I don't want is trolling (obviously) so don't just go join for the purpose of making 10,000 "wire up your a**" jokes". The forum is obviously centered around neigong but there are also sections for martial arts, qigong, philosophy, etc. in case you are more interested in those topics.
  9. I'm pulling stuff off my Forum, so give me a little time. EDIT: http://thetaobums.com/topic/35217-the-official-mo-pai-things-you-might-not-know-about-real-mo-pai-thread/page-19
  10. 8 Extraordinary Meridians

    Are the 8 extraordinary meridians or the 12 primary meridians used in mo pai nei kung? Like does mo pai use them in practice?
  11. Nei Gong Forum?

    I'm thinking about creating a nei gong forum, but first I need to anyone would be interested in participating. If you're wondering why I'm thinking of doing this it's because, for the most part, the only reason I'm on TTB in the first place is to follow nei gong/mo pai related threads and sort of keep an eye on what's going on. However, as it turns out, I think it's quite obvious that TTBs is a good place for these threads. It is my opinion that there needs to be a separate forum for Mo Pai/nei gong related topics. Anyone agree with this? Who all would be interested in participating in a nei kung forum?
  12. What would you ask a master?

    I am taking a trip to China, in March 2014, to see Master Jiang. What questions would you ask him? What would you like to see him demonstrate on video? Here are some of his videos:
  13. Hi everybody! Let me introduce myself a bit. I have investigated Taoism and western philosophy for several years (both practically and theory). I have been accepted as internal student of one of the orthodox Taoist schools of internal alchemy, studied about 2 years and quite. I also more then very curious about Mo Pai school. I have specially learnt Chinese for few years to start my own journey to China and find real Taoist internal alchemy school (because I know the right criteria very well, to know these criteria is a secret itself and may be learnt in one of the hidden schools only, like the one I had connection with). Right now I would like to find a company for my journey - 1-2 people. We can go to China search for hidden Taoist schools or we can go to Indonesia to search for Mo Pai - it's for us to decide. In Indonesia my Chinese will not help us a lot, but I have some good ideas how our search could succeed. P.S. I'm not crazy))) Please, don't hesitate to contact me!
  14. Hello all! My name is Tyler and I used to be a student of Jim Mcmillan. I was a student years ago and over a year ago I stopped and eventually lost contact with Jim. Recently I tried to get back in contact with him only to find out that he has died. If anyone knows me from the forum of Jims and would like to talk to me via email about Jim and the teachings please do so. email: [email protected]
  15. After watching John Chang on YouTube recently and then reading the Magus Of Java I decided to do some research about him and send sms to my Chinese Indonesian wife's family in Indo to see if they had heard of him. I received 2 replys that said they have never heard of him But I did not give up, I sent the YouTube video to one of my wife's uncle's who watched da video and sent me an sms back saying he knows John Chang but he is known by another name. Chinese Indonesians have their Indo names but also go by their Chinese names when with other Chinese. The uncle advised me that John Chang had been to his place on a number of occasions to work on my wife's Grandfather, (Kungkung) and da uncle I was in touch with. It turns out that my wife is related to John Chang by marriage and John Chang's niece staying with me in Melbourne last year and will be coming again to visit at the end of this year. I was married in Indo, lived and worked their for more than a year and I can speak Indo. As I visit Indonesia once a year and have stayed in John Chang's city on numerous occasions staying with the uncle, my next visit I will set up a consultation with the man known to the west as The Magus Of Java ; Dynamo Jack ; John Chang... BTW my mother is a Traditional Chinese Medicine doctor and I have been studying Philosophy for the last 13 years. My favourite though is Taoism.
  16. Likewise Taoist Minds

    Hello Taobums, I feel honoured to have joined such an interesting community of likeminded individuals. I''ve been reading different topics for some time now and I thought it was about time I joined and shared in the discussions with some of my Taoist experiences...
  17. Just like the title says. I'm trying to figure out if I've said something to offend him, or if he's... well, passed on. At any rate, I haven't heard from him in a long time, and as I don't know his family or anything, I have no way of knowing what's going on with him. Does anyone here know anything?
  18. Hello from Aziz

    My name is Aziz. I've been practicing qi gong more than 15 years. I started them with Mantak Chia's inner smile. Today I'm practicing 3 different Daoist Sect's Nei Gong practices. On lvl 1. I learned Xing Shen Zhuang Fa from David Verdesi on 2002. And in last 2 years I began to practice Da Mo Pai's Nei Gong step 1 and Mo Pai's Nei Gong Step 1. Pai as you know means "school". Also I'm practicin and teaching Yi Jin Jing. The formal method of Da Mo Pai which the school of Bodhidharma or DaMo. I mostly practiced traditional forms of qi gong. I met with an "immortal", "sage" on these years. Yes I saw with my eyes he got really exciting powers. After all these years spending on qi gong I started to realize a different path. I'm mostly practicing ZaZen meditations now. All the qi gongs are helping my meditations. I'm here to learn different stages of meditations and traditional paths. Practices that I learned and still using: Xing Shen Zhuang Fa Xİng Gong Ba Gua Yi Jin Jing Stillness Meditation Shen Zhen Gong Nei Gong - Part 1, Step 1. Fullfilling the lower dantien with yang qi. Regards Aziz
  19. Hey

    Hey i'm Xandre im new here just introducing myself. I am a student of Wing Chun, Krav maga and tai chi. I am currentely in the search for a perfect (or what i perceive to be perfect) internal martial art as well as a good master in the these arts Mo Pai, Ba Gua, Tai Chi, Chi Kung