evil running wild in the world

[zerostao]

It's been underway 62 years and some odd days. 

 

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From about 5:40 to 6:14, The entire video lays it out.

 

 

 

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I would post a jordan peterson talking with peter thiel video. But it will be deemed "political" and post hidden, perhaps even the thread locked and/or hidden. 

 

 

[Haribol]

Can we conclude that they are creeps and simply not recognize their authority? That’s my choice of action, anyway. 

[Haribol]

I declare myself above the law. 

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if we get back to true democracy, rule by the people, the thing/assembly, I’ll reconsider. But I’m tired of these part time security guards in fancy clothes telling me stuff.

Edited 8 hours ago by Haribol

[old3bob]

23 minutes ago, Haribol said:

Can we conclude that they are creeps and simply not recognize their authority? That’s my choice of action, anyway. 

 

has that ever worked with the lawless and violent in the world?

[Haribol]

Just now, old3bob said:

 

has that ever worked with the lawless and violent in the world?

Well, the «lawful» and «peaceful» are the ones poisoning our food, trafficking kids and sacrificing a couple of millions in Ukraine so.. f them. It is not the law that keeps me from robbing my neighbors. I think communities are able to govern themselves if they are given a sense of ownership, which we are not, because the lawful people in Davos or Brussels or wherever the f tell us they need to protect us from ourself.

[Haribol]

true or not, I dont know, but it just popped up on my feed so… I think I’ll stop thinking about the Sith Lord Klaus Schwab for a while and go take a beer in the sauna.

 

God bless you all 🤍❤️🕊️

[zerostao]

15 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

has that ever worked with the lawless and violent in the world?

 

On the personal level, it works better, than following "orders" from corrupted entities.

I'd recommend doing it on the dl.

Using force to "come to power" only continues the cycle.

 

Do not comply at every opportunity, but, do not broadcast it 

[zerostao]

13 minutes ago, Haribol said:

 take a beer in the sauna.

 

God bless you all 🤍❤️🕊️

 

Winning 

[old3bob]

34 minutes ago, zerostao said:

 

On the personal level, it works better, than following "orders" from corrupted entities.

I'd recommend doing it on the dl.

Using force to "come to power" only continues the cycle.

 

Do not comply at every opportunity, but, do not broadcast it 

 

don't follow orders but be ready to pay the ultimate price is how that works...

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Haribol said:

Well, the «lawful» and «peaceful» are the ones poisoning our food, trafficking kids and sacrificing a couple of millions in Ukraine so.. f them. It is not the law that keeps me from robbing my neighbors. I think communities are able to govern themselves if they are given a sense of ownership, which we are not, because the lawful people in Davos or Brussels or wherever the f tell us they need to protect us from ourself.

No politics!  Stop it or thread will be locked.

[Keith108]

21 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

I think many would agree with the above for minor or intermediate wrongs but when it comes to major wrongs like dictators or murderers commit  (for instance killing from one to millions of people!) in this world who then could name or see a penance to offset or mitigate wrongs at such levels??   A great master could/would still see the Atman or (Buddha nature if you are Buddhist) in such people yet again there is no penance in this world to offset acts of limited or mass murder so then what would a master say or prescribe related to that?  

 

Btw,  in some Buddhist schools there is this saying:  "In some Mahayana Buddhist traditions, there is a story or ethical discussion that a highly realized being (a Bodhisattva) might, out of immense compassion, intentionally kill a person to prevent that person from committing an even greater crime (such as murdering many others), thus saving the potential murderer from accumulating an enormous amount of negative karma that would result in eons of suffering". 

 

And in Tibetan Buddhism there is this story:

"according to traditional biographies and legends, the Tibetan yogi and spiritual poet Milarepa was a mass murderer in his youth, using black magic to kill 35 people. This dark past is a central part of his famous redemption story within Tibetan Buddhism. 

 

The Story of Milarepa's Violence

• Betrayal and Revenge: After Milarepa's father died, his aunt and uncle seized the family's wealth and property, leaving Milarepa, his mother, and his sister impoverished and effectively as servants. His mother, driven by grief and a desire for justice, insisted that her son learn sorcery to take revenge.
• Mass Murder: Milarepa left home and found a master of the dark arts. After acquiring these skills, he cast a powerful spell that caused the house where his relatives were celebrating a wedding feast to collapse. Thirty-five people died in the collapse; ironically, his aunt and uncle reportedly survived, though their sons and their wives were among the dead.
• Further Retaliation: When the remaining villagers became furious and sought to retaliate against his mother, Milarepa sent a hailstorm to destroy their crops. 

 

Remorse and Redemption

Immediately after these acts of violence, Milarepa was overcome by deep guilt and remorse, realizing the heavy karmic consequences of his actions. This profound regret marked a turning point in his life, leading him to seek a path to purification and enlightenment. 

He eventually sought out the great Buddhist master Marpa Lotsawa, who subjected him to severe physical and psychological trials for years to purify his negative karma. Milarepa's perseverance and devotion under Marpa's guidance ultimately allowed him to achieve full enlightenment within a single lifetime, transforming him from a murderer to one of the most revered figures in Tibetan Buddhism. His life story is a powerful testament to the Buddhist belief in the possibility of redemption and spiritual transformation, no matter how great the past misdeeds. "

 

...even with great effort and several earth years of purification work mentioned above it seems it would take far more than that to offset murdering 35 people?

 

As for someone like Stalin maybe it would take 35 million years of suffering for him to come around?  or maybe some Beings spend an entire cosmic cycle in the hell realms by refusing to make amends.  (all that is above my pay grade so to speak)

 

 

The first precept is: "I vow to abstain from taking life". The way I have been taught the precepts is they are not closed. In other words, sometimes it's necessary to break a precept. I imagine it's different for other traditions, but I don't know. 

 

So, for me and the precepts I have taken, it's always situational, and we use our wisdom to determine the correct course of action in any given situation. The precepts have only one job - help us wake up. They aren't there to judge others, or to be an ironclad code of conduct. 

 

I don't know anything about the Tibetan stuff and Milarepa. Karma unwinds in it's own time. There is a saying that goes something like: "If you want know your future, look at what you are doing right now." 

 

_/|\_

[zerostao]

2 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

don't follow orders but be ready to pay the ultimate price is how that works...

 

Does paying an ultimate price lead to gaining an ultimate reward?

Spiritually speaking.

Sometimes the best response is counter intuitive.

[old3bob]

2 hours ago, zerostao said:

 

Does paying an ultimate price lead to gaining an ultimate reward?

Spiritually speaking.

Sometimes the best response is counter intuitive.

 

good point, especially spiritually speaking...

[old3bob]

3 hours ago, Keith108 said:

 

The first precept is: "I vow to abstain from taking life". The way I have been taught the precepts is they are not closed. In other words, sometimes it's necessary to break a precept. I imagine it's different for other traditions, but I don't know. 

 

So, for me and the precepts I have taken, it's always situational, and we use our wisdom to determine the correct course of action in any given situation. The precepts have only one job - help us wake up. They aren't there to judge others, or to be an ironclad code of conduct. 

 

I don't know anything about the Tibetan stuff and Milarepa. Karma unwinds in it's own time. There is a saying that goes something like: "If you want know your future, look at what you are doing right now." 

 

_/|\_

 

true on the first two paragraphs, which could have some slippery slopes to deal with...as humans there are times that we would like karma to speed up,  slow down, or kick in but it doesn't follow our desires...besides there being more to it than easily discernible simple action/reaction that one might  know or see.

 

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[old3bob]

6 hours ago, zerostao said:

 

Winning 

 

just don't pass out in the sauna and wake up on the other side...oops

[old3bob]

7 hours ago, Haribol said:

I declare myself above the law. 

Space 

 

if we get back to true democracy, rule by the people, the thing/assembly, I’ll reconsider. But I’m tired of these part time security guards in fancy clothes telling me stuff.

 

you might consider cropping your photo's somewhat which would still make your point. 

[old3bob]

Chapter 74 of the T.T.C.

 

'When people don’t appreciate living,
And so aren’t afraid of dying,
What good is threatening them with the death penalty?
When they appreciate and love life,
They fear heaven’s executioner,
They naturally love and take care of their lives.

But even if having a human executioner
Would make people change for the better,
Who could justly taking on this role?
Only the karmic Net of Heaven can do that.
Anyone usurping this role of heaven,
Only causes great harm to themselves."

 

(my underline, and I'd also add  harm to others in the last line, yet we still have agreed upon human laws that are supposedly for the better of all by ideally being in line with the Tao)