What do you think about Neidan(內丹)?

[Apech]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

 

No problem. You may ask me anything. I will not be upset. 

 Thank you for the question. Yes, learning a method is important to know where the original concept came from. It is safe for me the say that all Qigong, Neigong, Neidan and Taiji are came from the same concept originated from TCM. 

 

TCM Started with the concept of 炁(气), chi. It is a matter, not energy. When the radical 米 added to 气 become 氣. Somehow, 氣 was used to describe lots of concepts. Such as prenatal chi, postnatal chi. This begin with the human body. Then go into the organs. 

 

Let's begin with the preservation of the body. The mainly concern of Taoist is longevity. They had came up with the idea of making external pill to preserve life known as external alchemy, 外丹. Somehow they failed. After that, that is when Neidan, 內丹 comes into play. This involves with the three treasures, 精氣神. The Taoist thought preserving these three treasures was by the cultivation with Neidan. The idea of Neidan is by using the postnatal chi to nourishing the prenatal chi by LDT breathing. 

 

This is where the original concept came from. I have enough said on the subject on the forum. I don't think I should repeat myself here. By knowing this concept, if I read about any method, they all referred to this concept. However, the description of the methods may be different, but they cannot stay away from the concept, the concept of LDT breathing.

If you don't know or don't believe in the concept, then no matter what you read, who you learned from, or what you practice, it may or may not get the full result as intended. 

Before I practice Taiji I didn't realize how important the breathing was. I had only accomplished half way. When I become familiar the concept of TCM and the LDT breathing method, I have acquired the full benefit of Taiji. The concept of LDT breathing is all over the internet. The Neidan is loud and clear calling out the LDT breading method. The most current definition of Neidan breathing is the reverse LDT breathing. I have took mental note of that. In addition, I always update myself with new valuable information as they come along. BTW This is always the cultivation of 性 and 命. Ofc that is another story.

Don’t bother answering the question will you?

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, Apech said:

Don’t bother answering the question will you?

Sure, I thought that Steve who asked me the question or that was you? 

[DynamicEquilibrium]

6 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

 

 

I’m the chimera, the harmonious balance of opposites.  

 

 

'太極謂天地未分之前，元氣混而為一，即是太初、太一也' 

 

You blink too fast for my slow eyes. 

[Cobie]

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Edited Saturday at 10:17 PM by Cobie

[steve]

3 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

 

No problem. You may ask me anything. I will not be upset. 

 Thank you for the question. Yes, learning a method is important to know where the original concept came from. It is safe for me the say that all Qigong, Neigong, Neidan and Taiji are came from the same concept originated from TCM. 

 

TCM Started with the concept of 炁(气), chi. It is a matter, not energy. When the radical 米 added to 气 become 氣. Somehow, 氣 was used to describe lots of concepts. Such as prenatal chi, postnatal chi. This begin with the human body. Then go into the organs. 

 

Let's begin with the preservation of the body. The mainly concern of Taoist is longevity. They had came up with the idea of making external pill to preserve life known as external alchemy, 外丹. Somehow they failed. After that, that is when Neidan, 內丹 comes into play. This involves with the three treasures, 精氣神. The Taoist thought preserving these three treasures was by the cultivation with Neidan. The idea of Neidan is by using the postnatal chi to nourishing the prenatal chi by LDT breathing. 

 

This is where the original concept came from. I have enough said on the subject on the forum. I don't think I should repeat myself here. By knowing this concept, if I read about any method, they all referred to this concept. However, the description of the methods may be different, but they cannot stay away from the concept, the concept of LDT breathing.

If you don't know or don't believe in the concept, then no matter what you read, who you learned from, or what you practice, it may or may not get the full result as intended. 

Before I practice Taiji I didn't realize how important the breathing was. I had only accomplished half way. When I become familiar the concept of TCM and the LDT breathing method, I have acquired the full benefit of Taiji. The concept of LDT breathing is all over the internet. The Neidan is loud and clear calling out the LDT breading method. The most current definition of Neidan breathing is the reverse LDT breathing. I have took mental note of that. In addition, I always update myself with new valuable information as they come along. BTW This is always the cultivation of 性 and 命. Ofc that is another story.

 

 

I will conclude the answer to my question is no, you have not studied neidan with a teacher.

Thank you for sharing your personal conclusions on neidan, all perspectives have value to me.

 

 

 

[DynamicEquilibrium]

Just now, Cobie said:

 

 

Ithink, that’s 無極 

Yes, 無極 should be the origin of one, not one. 

[steve]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

Don’t bother answering the question will you?

 

I think ChiDragon has a future in US politics... 

 

Edited Saturday at 10:18 PM by steve

[ChiDragon]

17 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

'太極謂天地未分之前，元氣混而為一，即是太初、太一也' 

 

8 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Ithink, that’s 無極 

It is Wuji to Taij which is yin/yang. Look at the yin/yang symbol. 

 從 '無' 到 '有'

Edited Saturday at 10:25 PM by ChiDragon

[DynamicEquilibrium]

8 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

 

It is Wuji to Taij which is yin/yang. Look at the yin/yang symbol.

I'm going to ask you a very very simple question with a one word answer: What becomes 太極 once it differentiated into 陰陽? 

 

By the way, the martial art's name we are practicing together in the park is 龍門太極真功.

Edited Saturday at 10:28 PM by DynamicEquilibrium

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

I'm going to ask you a very very simple question with a one word answer: What becomes 太極 once it differentiated into 陰陽? 

道

[DynamicEquilibrium]

9 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

 

It is Wuji to Taij which is yin/yang. Look at the yin/yang symbol. 

 從 '無' 到 '有'

太極中的動態平衡點叫啥呀

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

太極中的動態平衡點叫啥呀

清靜無為

[Cobie]

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Edited 10 hours ago by Cobie

[DynamicEquilibrium]

3 minutes ago, Cobie said:

These things are basic euphemisms. Wuji  literally means “without ridgepole’. Taiji literally means ‘huge ridgepole’. A ridgepole is what holds up the fabric to make a tent.  The ancients wore a top (symbolising heaven) and a skirt (symbolising earth). Now visualise being a man wearing a skirt and having a hard on,  surely you make a nice big tent. Wuji is  the state before sexuality (or the return to no sexuality after integration,  as in my case). Taiji is the state with sexuality. From sexuality all life on earth came forth. 

Before making any comments please answer to this question:  What becomes 太極 once it differentiated into 陰陽? 

Edited Saturday at 10:39 PM by DynamicEquilibrium

[Cobie]

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Edited 10 hours ago by Cobie

[DynamicEquilibrium]

37 minutes ago, Cobie said:

These things are basic euphemisms. Wuji  literally means “without ridgepole’. Taiji literally means ‘huge ridgepole’. A ridgepole is what holds up the fabric to make a tent.  The ancients wore a top (symbolising heaven) and a skirt (symbolising earth). Now visualise being a man wearing a skirt and having a hard on,  surely you make a nice big tent. Wuji is  the state before sexuality (or the return to no sexuality after integration,  as in my case). Taiji is the state with sexuality. From sexuality all life on earth came forth. 

What you define as 無極 is actually one of the toooooooooo many 性 and 命 misalignement possible situations, the practice of 陰陽 to restore 太極 somewhere in one's own psychosomatic system to realign 性 and 命 before starting their integration into one have its principles and both need to be learnt.

 

Terminology is terminology, theory is theory and anyone is totally free to say anything about anything through any words and self qualify as a philosopher, it doesn't matter, but when it comes to demonstrate something, we need to integrate something abtract into concrete actions, otherwise it is too easy to go virtual and tell lies everywhere. 

Edited Saturday at 11:13 PM by DynamicEquilibrium

[Apech]

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[Taomeow]

4 hours ago, Apech said:

Moderator Note:

 

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A.

 

你真是太懂我了！Nǐ zhēnshi tài dǒng wǒle! 
შენ ჩემს აზრებს კითხულობ!  Shen chems azrebs k’itkhulob!

Ты прочёл мои мысли! Ty prochyol moyi mysli! 

 

You have read my thoughts!  /ju hæv rɛd maɪ θɔts/

 

The second line of the above is in Georgian.  I don't know the language but I do know the alphabet.  Me and my girlfriends at school learned it from a Georgian classmate circa the 6th grade in order to exchange coded messages during lessons by transliterating them into that alphabet.  The motives were strictly pragmatic -- so that classmates who passed little pieces of paper with messages along, or the teachers should they intercept them, wouldn't be able to read them.  

 

Now I wonder...  what purpose does it serve to use a writing system here guaranteed to not be understood by nearly everyone on the forum.  Just curious.  

[DynamicEquilibrium]

7 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

 

It is Wuji to Taij which is yin/yang. Look at the yin/yang symbol. 

 從 '無' 到 '有'

The YinYang symbol with two 'one eyed fishes' we know as Taijitu following the taoist practitioner Chen Tuan (around the 900's) and Confucian philosopher Zhou Dunyi (around the 1020's) who wrote 'Taijitu shuo'. 

 

The quote i provided to Cobie is from Kong Yingda (around the 600's), one of the most infuential Confucian scholars in history goes something around like this 'Taiji designates that which is prior to the separation of heaven and earth, the state where Yuanqi is mixed together as one, that is to say the great beginning, the great unity. '

 

You, me or anyone is free to do their research or not and to connect some dots or not, what i just want to say is that to clarify the 'muddy pond' we should start from the begining, but...it would require giving a very very loooooooong lecture, thing that anyone reasonable enough would never do here, why? Because it would mean to start a very precise, detailed and exhausting term definition to clarify all these with something fresh, pure and transparent to which somebody or some bodies will always and again and again add dirt to in such place. 

Out of respect for our common ancestors, our teachers and ourselves, i or my brothers and sisters will never ever do this for a cheap price, it would be a total misevaluation of the meaning and value of the priceless treasure runing through the veins of our respective lineages linking together somewhere below the ground. 

 

Sorry for the sudden change of tone between us my dear dragon friend, i know you perfectly understand what i mean and that you won't blame me for this rant, so i ask you again, will you help me with that old, exhausted and sad little fish or not?

 

 

Edited yesterday at 05:26 AM by DynamicEquilibrium

[ChiDragon]

15 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

so i ask you again, will you help me with that old, exhausted and sad little fish or not?

What do you have in mind.?

[DynamicEquilibrium]

2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

What do you have in mind.?

A PM for you

Edited yesterday at 05:36 AM by DynamicEquilibrium

[ChiDragon]

Just now, DynamicEquilibrium said:

PM

Sure

[Sanity Check]

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What do you think about Neidan(內丹)?

 

 

What is neidan?

 

Likely something I would find zero use for if I had it?

[Nintendao]

On 12/22/2025 at 8:11 AM, Wordless said:

It's a compulsion really.... i hear foundation and qi, i just throw the Yi Jin Jing at them and yell HUANG before running away.

YJJ is perfect for foundation. Daniel Kim’s ShinNa appears to fundamentalize it in such things as “shaking up and down while fluffing out your feathers,” and “dog shaking water out of its fur.”