What is meant by God of Abraham?

[Haribol]

The term, it seems to me, seems to suggest both the existence of other gods than the only monotheistic god that their mainstream theology argue for, and why does it belong to Abraham more than Xi Jing, William and brother Innocent?

[Lairg]

Assuming the Bible to be Jewish in origin - here is the JPS translation

 

 

When the Most High gave to the nations

When He separated the children of men,

He set the borders of the peoples

According to the number of the children of Israel.

9For the portion of the LORD is His people,

Jacob the lot of His inheritance.

 https://biblehub.com/jps/deuteronomy/32.htm

 

So the Lord inherited only the people of Jacob and apparently jealously kept his few humans

 

The term "Most High" derives from the Sumerian "Ilu" that means both tall and god

 

The gods did not stop growing as they aged so the most senior god was the tallest - the most high

 

 

 

Edited November 24 by Lairg

[Sanity Check]

They could say.

 

God of Adam.

 

Or.

 

God of Noah.

 

But people wouldn't recognize the connection.

 

So they say: God of Abraham.

 

And people nod and say ah, I know which God you speak of.

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Haribol said:

The term, it seems to me, seems to suggest both the existence of other gods than the only monotheistic god that their mainstream theology argue for, and why does it belong to Abraham more than Xi Jing, William and brother Innocent?

 

The God of Abraham ... and his descendants  .   A  family God  that went on to other things  ...... and apparently grew really really 'tall' . 

 

 

and the winner is  .... 

 

 

 

Ushiku Daibutsu !  

 

You just won the  (world's tallest )  trophy  !  

 

 

[Haribol]

@Lairg

 

so if not the Jews didn’t write it, who did? And who are the children of man and the children of god?

[Lairg]

Abraham was from Sumer.  The Jewish Book of Genesis contains a cut down version of the Sumerian account.  In the Sumerian account you can read why god refers to itself as "we"

 

The earliest known manuscript version of the OT is newer than the oldest manuscript version of the NT.

 

In the Middle Ages there was a major industry in discovering ancient writings, translating them, and losing the original.  Fortunately the Renaissance Man/Woman was of such a spiritual caliber that the inventions were often worthy of the alleged author

 

Read Anatoly Fomenko for a statistical analysis showing which histories are invented from which realities. 

 

https://www.amazon.com.au/stores/author/B0032J096G

 

Free versions:

https://archive.org/search?query=anatoly+fomenko&and[]=mediatype%3A"texts"

  

> who are the children of man and the children of god?

 

In the Sumerian account, the aliens bred the human slaves from their own genetics crossed with a hominoid already on the planet.  The humans turned out to be noisy and hard to manage, so the Sumerian aliens bred an upgraded human with more alien genetics to control the slaves.  

 

The upgraded humans are traditionally known as royalty - directly descended from the gods.  There has been much interbreeding since then, so royal blood may not mean much now.

 

Details of the genetic failures can be found in the Sumerian accounts.   The hard work shows in the Jewish Genesis where every time the god makes something, he looks at it and sees that/if it is good

 

Perhaps 12 other alien groups have had a go at  breeding humans more suited to their agendas.   WW2 was the latest macro attempt.   These days the processes are nano-scale

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26 by Lairg

[Nungali]

On 11/27/2025 at 8:08 AM, Haribol said:

@Lairg

 

so if not the Jews didn’t write it, who did? And who are the children of man and the children of god?

 

Which Bible ?  There is the Jewish Bible , that Jews obviously wrote  *   and the   Christian Bible  with Old and New Testaments , that was 'collated' by various people and processes . 

 

* Lairg seems confused that although the Jews adopted many stories in the Jewish Bible , they ( the Jews ) actually re wrote, adapted and collated them into  the Jewish Bible  - so of course, the Jews * wrote the Jewish Bible ... but they didnt come up with the  original versions for many of the adopted/ collated  stories . 

 

-   Josiah's scribes  seem the culprits  .... they 'found'   the 'Torah ' in the  Temple they were rebuilding  . However the Bible stories might have been known and built upon throughout the whole area  in a non oral tradition  dating from the 10thC BC up to 100 CE. The text compiled between the 8th and 6th C BC with current redaction 6th to 5th BC using the stories like David and King Solomon and a Unified  Jewish state  ( back written to make a fake history ) by Josiah's scribes , before he made a move to  go north and claim Israel   ( after it had been weakened by invasion for punishment due to rebellion ,   and then retreat of Assyrians ) as rightful as it was being claimed now as part of the old Unified Kingdom .  The plan did not work , on the ground, though - for him . He ran into Pharaoh  who was on his way north to quell the Babylonians  and tried to oppose him .... and got shot full of arrows . 

 

The story however became a great success , soon everyone believed it , resulting in the formation of Jewish monotheism ( ie  Judaism ) Christianity and Islam  and was considered a valid source of world history up to the 1880s ... and still for some today , fully, or in subtle ways not many are aware of  in themselves . ... to me, it seems the biggest con job in history ! 

 

[Haribol]

On 27.11.2025 at 11:13 PM, Nungali said:

The story however became a great success , soon everyone believed it , resulting in the formation of Jewish monotheism ( ie  Judaism ) Christianity and Islam  and was considered a valid source of world history up to the 1880s ... and still for some today , fully, or in subtle ways not many are aware of  in themselves . ... to me, it seems the biggest con job in history ! 

I might be mistaken, but I think I recall you mentioning that Jewish monotheism is actually a very recent phenomenon? By recent I mean way later than one would think.  Is that so?

[Haribol]

On 27.11.2025 at 12:14 AM, Lairg said:

In the Sumerian account, the aliens bred the human slaves from their own genetics crossed with a hominoid already on the planet.  The humans turned out to be noisy and hard to manage, so the Sumerian aliens bred an upgraded human with more alien genetics to control the slaves.  

Do you believe this is the case?

 

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Perhaps 12 other alien groups have had a go at  breeding humans more suited to their agendas.   WW2 was the latest macro attempt.   These days the processes are nano-scale

Could you either elaborate or perhaps link some articles? : )

[Lairg]

 

Start by reading Zechariah Sitchin.  He is a bit materialistic but still a big step forward

 

https://archive.org/search?query=Zechariah+Sitchin&and[]=mediatype%3A"texts"

 

After reading Sitchin try some of the material on the exopolitics site

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

On 12/10/2025 at 8:46 AM, Haribol said:

I might be mistaken, but I think I recall you mentioning that Jewish monotheism is actually a very recent phenomenon? By recent I mean way later than one would think.  Is that so?

 

Ye  eeeeee     eeeee     s  .    

 

I need to be careful with definitions here .   IF we call the earlier 'followers' as depicted in the Bible as 'Jews ' than yes ; Judaism was formulated as a state  religion  and the temple 'cleared' and dedicated to 'one God -  YHVH '  and  clear monotheism established ... that seems to have been Josiah's work . ( 640 - 609 bc ) . 

 

Before that it seemed your regular Canaanite temple  with all sorts of goings on in there . 

 

We have two choices ; to believe either that they were monotheists  who would always, continually slip away from that and get terribly punished and never learn and keep doing it   OR  they were a blend of people with different Gods and ' at  best ' some 'henotheirsts '  ( there are other Gods , yes, but mine is best ) ; in either case the bible itself attests to this . 

 

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Edited yesterday at 09:53 PM by Nungali

[Nungali]

22 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Start by reading Zechariah Sitchin.  He is a bit materialistic but still a big step forward

 

https://archive.org/search?query=Zechariah+Sitchin&and[]=mediatype%3A"texts"

 

After reading Sitchin try some of the material on the exopolitics site

 

 

 

 

 

Sitchen could not even translate cuneiform  !  

 

And what sort of advice or reference is that for Haribol ?   What , he has to read the whole corpus of CRAP from Sitchen  to find a reference to your c;aim ? 

 

Dont do it Haribol !  Bad advice - it will wreck your mind !   (or if you are bored , you could do it for fun )  but remember : 

 

 

AI Overview

 

 

 

No, Zechariah Sitchin's theories are generally considered invalid and pseudoscientific by mainstream scientists, historians, and academics, who criticize his translations of ancient Sumerian texts as inaccurate, his interpretations as speculative, and his claims about extraterrestrial "Anunnaki" creating humanity as unsupported by evidence, conflicting with archaeological and historical facts, and lacking scientific merit

. 

Key Criticisms:

• Linguistic Misinterpretations: Sumerologists and Assyriologists point out Sitchin's mistranslations of Sumerian cuneiform, arguing he imposed modern concepts (like a 12th planet, Nibiru) onto texts that describe known celestial bodies or mythological figures, not aliens.
• Ignoring Evidence: His theories disregard established archaeological findings and evolutionary biology, presenting fantastical narratives as historical fact.
• Pseudoscience/Pseudohistory: Academics classify Sitchin's work as pseudoscience and pseudohistory because it's based on flawed methodology and unsubstantiated claims rather than rigorous academic standards. 

In essence, Sitchin's ideas are popular in alternative history circles but are not accepted as valid within professional academic or scientific communities.