Apocalypse of Abraham

[zerostao]

https://www.marquette.edu/maqom/kuliktranslation.html

 

https://archive.org/details/apocalypseofabrabgh00boxg

 

 

[Nungali]

What a way to start off !    

 

"One day, while I was destroying the Gods of my father ..... "  

[zerostao]

52 minutes ago, Nungali said:

What a way to start off !    

 

"One day, while I was destroying the Gods of my father ..... "  

 

Good hook, or no?

[Nungali]

I guess not as I didn't get far .  Maybe some other time. I have wondered about the source of extra Biblical Abrahamic  apocrypha .  A lot of 'Bible stuff' was lifted from various phases in Mesopotamia  - generally  from early times ... admitting where Abraham himself actually came from.  And later times after the release from captivity ( in Mesopotamia  when the  modern form of the Hebrew Bible began to be composed ,  and the concept of 'one true God only - especially in the temple at Jerusalem  - was started by Josiah 648 - 649 bc . before that it (and inside the temple )  was pretty much 'general Canaanite' , and very similar to Mesopotamian religions .

 

 But my comment  .... I was thinking , well .... you won't read a Chinese sage starting off like that !    

 

.. only in the 'Abrahamic forum'  , 

[doc benway]

It occurs to me that if Abraham destroyed the gods of his father, adherents of the Abrahamic religions should be doing the same, if we haven't already. We need to empty our cups before they can be filled. 

 

[Nungali]

Eh ?   Adherents of Abrahamic religions should destroy the Gods of their father  .... what if I am Jewish and my father was  Jewish ... or Catholic  and my father was .... should I start smashing crucifixes  ? 

 

Or did you mean 'in time'  , like Judaism was 'the father religion' so Christians should destroy Judaism then Muslim destroy Christ and Bahai destroy ......  

 

Or if your Chinese  .....or what about Japanese person whose father was Shinto ... well, you are going to be very , very busy !  

 

 

 

Sometimes its better to leave a metaphor alone and just use some  ......  'Plain speakin'   

 

 

 

 

[doc benway]

Plain speakin' -

To me the metaphor means do not trust, accept, or buy into the religion of my father simply because of an accident of birth and youthful indoctrination. That is essentially what I did and encouraged my children to do. I looked at things with fresh eyes and found that the Abrahamic religions and their scriptures do not meet my moral and ethical standards so I have gone in a different direction.

Capisce?

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, doc benway said:

Plain speakin' -

To me the metaphor means do not trust, accept, or buy into the religion of my father simply because of an accident of birth and youthful indoctrination. That is essentially what I did and encouraged my children to do. I looked at things with fresh eyes and found that the Abrahamic religions and their scriptures do not meet my moral and ethical standards so I have gone in a different direction.

Capisce?

 

 

Yeah .... I was just having some fun ... as I said , on a daoist forum I cant imagine a Chinese sage advising  that .... nor here , where respect for ancestors and their ways and following them led to a 40,000 yo success story . 

 

So there is two sides to it as well .  But frankly , I cant see much benefit from   a lot of the current 'inherited ' religion so I capisce and agree , on that level .

 

You might like what the Bahai Faith requires .   Baha'i children are required to study various religions and scripture when they are old enough . Later when  they are old enough to make independent decisions , they are to choose themselves which religion they are going to follow . If they choose Baha'i then they sign a 'declaration form ' , which makes it 'official' .