John Dolic Sleeping Qigong (Dong Fang Shui Gong)

[Nuralshamal]

Dear Dao Bums,
 

I'm looking for long term practitioners of John Dolic's Sleeping Qigong (basic & advanced level).
 

I've been practicing the basic level daily without fail for quite some time now, and have gotten good results.
 

Ofc true cultivation is a long term practice, and the daily practice is pretty much the point of it all, no ultimate end goal, "just do it".
 

However, I still feel a need to talk to and discuss with other real practitioners to share experiences and talk. It's extremely nourishing to me and my soul to "just be real". 

Not how things are sold, packaged, marketed or "supposed to be" in some ideal fantasy world that doesn't exist. The real, unfiltered, experiential truth. Grounded in personal, practical experience, not theory or stories. 
 

Unfortunately the "don't talk about anything to anyone" is huge in qigong, and especially many Asian cultures, so it's quite difficult to really talk to anyone legit.
 

So looking for any long term practitioners of John Dolic's Sleeping Qigong to share experiences with and talk about the long term effects of the practice.

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:26 PM by Nuralshamal

[Learner]

I don't have any experience with this Qigong but I am interested in hearing your experience with this Qigong.

[Vajra Fist]

How does one practice this qigong? Always been curious 

[Nuralshamal]

@Learner @Vajra Fist

Thanks for chiming in and sharing your interest Great to hear from you both!

Let me share in 3 points: 1) how to practice, 2) my experience, 3) conclusion

1) How to practice:
The basic level is divided using the daoist trinity, Heaven, Earth, Man. There are 3 parts of each, i.e. 9 parts in total (3x3=9).

The Human part consists of the techniques themselves, some main, some assisting, making it 6 techniques in total.
The first one is a relaxation and visualisation exercise.
The second is a visualisation and meditation exercise.
The third is the sleeping technique itself (posture and mudra activating different points, as well as a two step meditation).
The remaining 3 ones are qigong techniques to be done during the day to support (inner alchemy, open meridians, circulate qi, help with longevity, recover from ejaculation and protect the jing).

The Earth part is about healing, group mind and ethical conduct.

The Heavenly part is about states of consciousness and how to go to "the original state".

2) My experience:
I was very positively suprised already with the first exercise, the relaxation and visualisation.

It's super easy and simple, yet I feel like "I continued where I left off" in my cultivation progress realized with Zhongxian Wu's 3 year "jing dao" program. Where visualisation actually controls your body and becomes real. It's hard to explain and came as a big surprise, but at a certain point your mind and body become one. It sounds quite limp on paper, but in reality it's a huge surprise and weird unexpected shift in your practice. Hard to say what happens from here, but it's a new way of living and cultivating, a new reality where mind, matter and energy are the same, jing, q and shen unite, "mind and body as one".

The first 2 weeks or so I found out I have a tension in my throat, my right eye and right side of my forehead, and no matter how much I intently relax it, the moment I stop relaxing it automatically tenses up again. Super weird. But from day to day you progress. Each part of your body comes under the control of your mind, you can relax at will. Further, the visualisation becomes real, felt and tangible and increases in power from day to day, week to week, month to month. Slowly but steadily. Some real "gong fu shit" each day is a drop of water in your vessel, a grain of rice in your sack, suddenly you have a whole sack of rice or a whole container filled with water, and you don't even know how it happened, as the daily progress was so miniscule, but suddenly a big shift happens.

The second meditation is much slower to improve for me, but suddenly after 1 month, a slight "level up" in power came, so it's still progressing, albeit slower on a month to month basis instead of day to day.

The sleeping itself, my God, the first 9-14 days were utter torture. I couldn't get comfortable, my neck, wrist and shoulders were killing me, became numb, tingled, lost sensation, joints hurt, it was unbearable. My sleep became worse, I started having creepy nightmares, I would wake up completely "wiped out" almost unable to get out of bed and function normally at work.

It was hell.

But suddenly after about 2 weeks a switch happened, my sleep and dreams became normal again, and my level of "feeling rested" also returned to normal again.

Also the 2-step meditation done for the sleeping qigong itself happened faster and more powerfully, and more things started to take place of their own accord in my body.

The qigong sets done during the day are also super duper basic, nothing spectacular in any way, shape or form, very comparable to what I've learnt from Zhongxian Wu, Chunyi Lin, ZYM, Jiang Yu Shan and so on. Very basic, very simple, yet you feel refreshed after, so it's doing something. In short, it works.

3) Conclusion
So far so good.

I feel like I've concluded John Dolic is a true master, and his sleeping qigong is authentic and from a real lineage.

Where it can go, I have no clue. That's why I started this thread.

It's been pretty tough to do daily, have seen some benefits and improvements, so it looks good, but really want to talk to someone about their long term experiences to see where it can go.

Because on John Dolic's site it mentions controlling your dreams, travelling in your own and others' dreams, actual astral projection where you travel the universe out of body similar to a near death experience, seeing auras, opening your third eye, predicting the future, changing the future, healing, "genuine sleep" where your heart and breathing stops for hours on end and you only need 1-2 hours of sleep pr night to feel fully rested and much more bad ass superhuman feats, you can sleep and fast for weeks on end and much more.

So kind of wanted to hear from someone if they've even touched on any of these incredible benefits after 1-5 years, and was also curious about what's in the "advanced level course" you can attend after 1 year of daily practice of the basic level.