Cobie Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Taoist Texts said: åå¼ ā¦Ā Huainanzi ThatāsĀ another author. Ā Ā Edited September 24, 2023 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted September 24, 2023 1 hour ago, whocoulditbe? said: How could åē° have been replaced with ē°å? Is it down to visual similarity? not only. them two basically mean the same thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said: ā¦ them two basically mean the same thing So the whole thing is a red herring. Ā Ā Edited September 24, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 24, 2023 1 hour ago, whocoulditbe? said: How could åē° have been replaced with ē°å? Is it down to visual similarity? åē°: each is different ē°å: differ in name 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) Ā On 23/09/2023 at 2:46 AM, Mig said: ā¦Ā The editions by Heshang Gong and Wang Bi are popular and are used as a reference with all the commentaries from different scholars throughout ages. ā¦ Provided it fits the characters, itās imo ok to make a new interpretation. Ā Ā Edited September 24, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) Ā On 23/09/2023 at 8:51 PM, Taoist Texts said: ā¦Ā ę åøøę ę¬²ļ¼ä»„č§å ¶å¦ļ¼the eternal desirelessness is the marvel åøøęę¬²ļ¼ä»„č§å ¶å¾¼ćĀ the eternal desirefullnessĀ is the fringe ę¤äø¤č ļ¼ååŗčå¼åļ¼these two together produce all differently named things Ā ā¦ (my highlight) ā¦Ā what/who are āthese twoā? Are they ādesirelessnessā and ādesirefullnessā? Ā Ā Edited September 24, 2023 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) Ā On 23/09/2023 at 8:51 PM, Taoist Texts said: ā¦Ā åøøęę¬²ļ¼ä»„č§å ¶å¾¼ć the eternal desirefullnessĀ is the fringe ā¦ (Just joking, itās clear what you mean) What type of āfringeā?Ā Ā Ā Ā Edited September 24, 2023 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Cobie said: According to Sinologists ācompoundsā are rare in Classical Chinese. Ā What about according to native speakers. What about ē”äøŗ andĀ ęäøŗ? Ā Edited September 24, 2023 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/23/2023 at 6:07 PM, ChiDragon said: The following chapters support Chapter 1 corresponds toĀ ē” and ę.Disregard in blue:Chapter 2:Ā 6.ęē”ēøē6. You(ę)Ā andĀ Wu(ē”Ā )mutually produce each other. Chapter 403. 天äøč¬ē©ēę¼ęļ¼4. ęēę¼ē”ć3. All things in the world came fromĀ ę(you).4.Ā ę(you)came fromĀ ē”(wu). It is getting interesting. HowĀ wrong could oneĀ be?Ā I just rechecked my source.Ā Correction:In Chapter 2:ęandē”Ā are not the same as in Chapter 1.Ā Ā ęmeansĀ something that has already existed.Ā ē”isĀ something thatĀ does not exist. Please disregard Chapter 2 as example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted September 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Cobie said: Ā (my highlight) ā¦Ā what/who are āthese twoā? Are they ādesirelessnessā and ādesirefullnessā? Ā Ā good guess. yes they are 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 25, 2023 7 hours ago, ChiDragon said: ā¦.Ā Correction:In Chapter 2: .. Thanks for the update.Ā 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) Ā On 23/09/2023 at 8:51 PM, Taoist Texts said: ā¦Ā ę åøøę ę¬²ļ¼ä»„č§å ¶å¦ļ¼the eternal desirelessness is the marvel åøøęę¬²ļ¼ä»„č§å ¶å¾¼ć the eternal desirefullnessĀ is the fringe ę¤äø¤č ļ¼ååŗčå¼åļ¼these two together produce all differently named things. ā¦ How do ādesirelessnessā and ādesirefullnessā ātogetherĀ produce all differently named thingsā? Ā Ā Edited September 25, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) Ā On 18/09/2023 at 10:35 PM, ChiDragon said: ā¦Ā éåÆéļ¼éåøøéćā¦Ā Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao. ā¦ Ā On 23/09/2023 at 8:51 PM, Taoist Texts said: ā¦ éåÆéļ¼éåøøéćdao which can be spoken is not an eternal daoĀ ā¦ Ā If this was so, there would be no point in reading the DDJ.Ā So by inductive reasoning I conclude these are mistranslations. Ā Edited September 25, 2023 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Cobie said: If this was so, there would be no point in reading the DDJ.Ā So by inductive reasoning I conclude these are mistranslations. Ā You are only looking at one star in the universe. Without reading the whole book is like the blinds touching one part of the elephant and coming to a conclusion. I am sure you haveĀ heard of the idiom: åäŗč§å¤©Ā orĀ äŗåŗä¹č PS Don't you think it is kind of naive for Laotze to write a book with five thousand charactersĀ for nothing?Ā Again, the "five-year-oldĀ child" phrase still stands. Peace. Edited September 25, 2023 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) Ā 29 minutes ago, ChiDragon said: Don't you think it is kind of naive for Laotze to write a book with five thousand charactersĀ for nothing?Ā Exactly. Thatās why I wrote: Ā 1 hour ago, Cobie said: So by inductive reasoning I conclude these are mistranslations. Ā Edited September 25, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) Ā åäŗč§å¤© andĀ Ā äŗåŗä¹č Now, you may rest without spending any more time looking into the TTC. Ā Edited September 25, 2023 by ChiDragon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) . Edited September 28, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Cobie said: Wat je zegt dat ben jezelf åę!Ā åę!Ā Edited September 25, 2023 by ChiDragon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) MWD A :Ā éåÆéä¹ļ¼éęéä¹Ā Ā Ā Edited September 25, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 25, 2023 ä¹Ā was used as a grammatical particle in the time of Laozi. It changes the meaning of the sentence. See Kroll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Cobie said: ä¹Ā was used as a grammatical particle in the time of Laozi. It changes the meaning of the sentence. See Kroll. I believe thatĀ čåčØ»čÆåč©ä»Ā is more reliable. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Cobie said: ä¹Ā was used as a grammatical particle in the time of Laozi. It changes the meaning of the sentence. See Kroll. It enhancesĀ the tone of the meaningĀ but definitely does not change the meaning of the sentence.Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) Ā 1 hour ago, Cobie said: ā¦Ā See Kroll. Ā 59 minutes ago, ChiDragon said: I believe thatĀ čåčØ»čÆåč©ä»Ā is more reliable. Period. Ā 48 minutes ago, Cobie said: okidokiĀ Period. Ā Ā Edited September 25, 2023 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted September 26, 2023 11 hours ago, Cobie said: How do ādesirelessnessā and ādesirefullnessā ātogetherĀ produce all differently named thingsā? like this Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites