Kunlun system. What are your experiences with it? Positive or negative?

[Horus]

Y'all be cray!

 

Kunlun is "complete" ; whether that means full and perfect awakening and a breaking of the karmic wheel or a manifestation of one of the many formless forms or indomitable health or a pleasant and stable demeanor. 

 

Kunlun is "complete" whether you practice one breath exclusively... can only do i-jong... have an affinity for red phoenix.... drawn only to red dragon..... love the yin/yang palm ..... **provided** your intention is aligned with that (whichever goal you wish to realize) end. Kunlun applied with intention provides one helluva boost.  That might be where people complain about speed.  It may be valuable to know too that the pracitioner is solely responsible for the experiences they draw to themselves with these practices.  It's all within your subconscious/concious beliefs and intentions.  You are literally creating your world with your Mind; take some responsiblity for your manifestations and create something loving and beautiful instead! 

 

Every form max teaches eventually breaks down and becomes something like one breath.  One breath, inherently formless, contains every circulation max teaches and all those he doesn't know.  One breath is a surrender practice.  All form *must* break down if you'd realize formlessness.  If your vision is open, watch what energy flows and what shifts within "you" while doing one breath...... that one isn't just for relaxtion and grounding

 

One breath eventually takes on a life of it's own.  You gotta let go. 

 

I love max and diana.  Ainter's gonna aint!

 

 

love y'all.

 

 

bobby

 

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[liminal_luke]

Thanks Balance. If anybody wants to know where the practice of Kunlun leads...

 

 

 

focusing on a resolution to a specific problem that doesn't involve a collapse of that error into formless perfection is inherently flawed since nothing in this whole wide world of form is real. 

 

 

 

love

 

bobby

[giovanni]

personally, i have never tried it, but my friend did it. he said that kunlun is nothing special

but idk, i guess it's different to everybody

[hierundjetzt]

On 10/22/2015 at 2:50 AM, liminal_luke said:

Thanks Balance. If anybody wants to know where the practice of Kunlun leads...

 

 

I would like to know, thanks

[Annnon]

On 25/07/2015 at 6:04 PM, liminal_luke said:

but Max adds other practices (such as Red Phoenix) to make his "system.

What is the Red Phoenix system? Where can I find a good source of practice without the "kunkun system"? Just like you said the Yi Gong we can find separate too.

 

(I'm still reading the full posts, so sorry if this was already answered later)

[liminal_luke]

The "kunlun system" is what Max calls his entire suite of various practices.  If you just want Jenny Lamb´s yi gong -- what Max has called kunlun -- you might still be able to get it by buying her Qigong for Self-Heaing dvd.  Eastern Internal Arts Institute

[Annnon]

22 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

The "kunlun system" is what Max calls his entire suite of various practices.  If you just want Jenny Lamb´s yi gong -- what Max has called kunlun -- you might still be able to get it by buying her Qigong for Self-Heaing dvd.  Eastern Internal Arts Institute

ok thanks!

[Sahaja]

5 hours ago, Annnon said:

What is the Red Phoenix system? Where can I find a good source of practice without the "kunkun system"? Just like you said the Yi Gong we can find separate too.

 

(I'm still reading the full posts, so sorry if this was already answered later)

Here is something I found on the red Phoenix a few years back.  

 

Unknown - Red Phoenix Meditation.pdf

[hierundjetzt]

On 2/22/2026 at 3:08 PM, hierundjetzt said:

I would like to know, thanks

@liminal_luke I assume you never found out?

[liminal_luke]

7 hours ago, hierundjetzt said:

@liminal_luke I assume you never found out?

 

Individual experiences vary.  Sorry but I don´t feel like going into detail about my own.  If you want to find out what it would do for you, you´ll have to practice.

[Annnon]

18 hours ago, Sahaja said:

Here is something I found on the red Phoenix a few years back.  

 

Unknown - Red Phoenix Meditation.pdf

Nice, what is the source, do you know?

It's tempting to practice it, but if it's not legit I'm screwed lol

 

Imagine developing a qi deviation because I decided to practice from a random PDF online, that would be the end of my qigong career

[Wordless]

I mean it has a picture, bullet-point list and uses science to legitimise the practice. Does it get any more legit than that!?

My thoughts:

The aim of the practice seems to be to open "the third eye". It also seems to want you to move your awareness all over the place. A lot of "energetic work".

In some places it seems a bit too non-specific, may be because it isn't a starter/beginner practice, but then why use the kind of explanatory language that's used to begin with?

 

To me the document seems to be made by somebody who isn't an expert. Who has a basic understanding of the language used within daoist and yogic traditions and maybe the person even learned a practice much like the one described and are now sharing it.

 

My conclusion: If the main aim of the practice is to open the third eye, there's probably better and more stable, tried and true practices for that purpose out there.

 

As for whether it'll lead to qi deviation... no idea.... even legit tried and tested practices can lead to that.

Which is why people tend to recommend having a teacher.

[Sahaja]

On 2/25/2026 at 8:52 AM, Annnon said:

Nice, what is the source, do you know?

It's tempting to practice it, but if it's not legit I'm screwed lol

 

Imagine developing a qi deviation because I decided to practice from a random PDF online, that would be the end of my qigong career

My guess is that this is part of Kunlun system. I found it posted on Scribd when I was trying to see what was referred to as red Pheonix in the Kunlun book as nothing was written there describing what it was other than that it was an important exercise. 

 

 

 

[Annnon]

20 hours ago, Sahaja said:

My guess is that this is part of Kunlun system. I found it posted on Scribd when I was trying to see what was referred to as red Pheonix in the Kunlun book as nothing was written there describing what it was other than that it was an important exercise. 

 

 

 

I had a recent talk with a guy who told me that what he heard is that kunlun is a made up system. Not that it is bad but it's made up so there's no lineage behind it. Who will say if it works or not are the people practicing it.

 

So maybe that is why people say it has elements from Jenny Lamb Yi Gong and maybe that is why we can't exactly find what 'Red Phoenix" is.

 

Edited Friday at 04:27 PM by Annnon

[Sahaja]

21 hours ago, Annnon said:

I had a recent talk with a guy who told me that what he heard is that kunlun is a made up system. Not that it is bad but it's made up so there's no lineage behind it. Who will say if it works or not are the people practicing it.

 

So maybe that is why people say it has elements from Jenny Lamb Yi Gong and maybe that is why we can't exactly find what 'Red Phoenix" is.

 

The Yi Gong part of Kunlun can trigger zi fa gong and if you haven’t opened this door there can be a benefit to experiencing how yang qi manifests in you.   Actually the ZFG process can be triggered by many qi gong practices, not just Kunlun/yigong. It’s just a phase you should move through and not attach to. . In my opinion Kunlun sensationalized ZFG into something more than it is when it came out which I think was inappropriate. It’s just a normal bodily process triggered by qigong that can have some extremely weird manifestations. In my opinion it’s no more magical than belching or farting. Best to treat it with the same irreverence and laughter to help keep perspective. However if you are under a doctor’s care for psychological issues I advise against any qi gong practice including spontaneous qigong like Yi Gong as they will just give more energy to the illness. 

 

While I haven’t practiced Red Pheonix, I think you’d be better off studying processes that lead to the Microcosmic orbit with a guide than practicing unknown systems on your own. Here I am referring to a process that leads to the MCO rotating on its own (not one artificially created and guided by the mind). This circulation should naturally  arise on its own based on developing the yin qi fields of the Dan tians, opening the channels and building qi, not be imposed by the minds intent. The MCO is a very old tradition.