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Rudolf Steiner........Anthroposophy

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On 22.12.2018 at 12:03 AM, Still_Waters said:

I was curious to see what the posters here had to say about Rudolf Steiner, as I recently was invited to a senior meditation group of his where they couldn't really answer any of my in-depth questions to my satisfaction. The meditation itself was extraordinarily basic and geared more to beginners than to an advanced group.  I have read "Knowledge of the Higher Worlds, How It is Achieved" and there's a lot of good, basic information there. However, I didn't finish the book because it didn't go deep enough and there were things in it that ran contrary to intuition (at least for me). For others, as I am reading here, it might be well suited to their spiritual development.

 

I investigated Stein because, for a brief moment, I had an urge to know more about the Akashic records. His following recommended a book to me, which I purchased but the name of which I can't recall because I got rid of it rather quickly. Although the followers were nice, I was very disappointed in what I experienced and also in what I read.

 

Steiner is intellectually brilliant but I had serious concerns about his depth so I checked out some critiques of Rudolf Steiner online, as I often do when something troubles me. I came across a critique by Osho which resonated with my own intuitive impression of Rudolf Steiner. It might interest posters to read this and I am therefore posting the link.

 

Feel free to share any comments that you may have, as I am certainly receptive to constructive comments.

 

https://southerncrossreview.org/76/osho-steiner.html

 

While readily conceding that Rudolf STEINER WAS A GREAT MIND, Osho goes on to confirm my own conclusions --- that Steiner does not really understand meditation.

 

QUOTE:

 

" Rudolf Steiner does not know what meditation is, and what he calls meditation is concentration. He's completely confused: he calls concentration meditation. Concentration is not meditation. Concentration is again a very, very useful means for scientific thinking. It is to concentrate the mind, narrow the mind, focus the mind on a certain thing. But the mind remains, becomes more focused, becomes more integrated.

Meditation is not concentrating on anything. In fact, it is a relaxing, not narrowing. In concentration there is an object. In meditation there is no object at all. You are simply lost in an objectless consciousness, a diffusion of consciousness. Concentration is exclusive to something, and everything else is excluded from it. It includes only one thing; it excludes everything else."

 

IMV concentration and openness, as well as silence and form are two states of the same. Like water and steam. It's not 'beyond'. 

 

So someone can be concentrated or embodied in 'here and now' including mundane thoughts and be in meditation all the while - and another is in deep quietude and yet not in meditation. 

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4 hours ago, Wuschel said:

 

IMV concentration and openness, as well as silence and form are two states of the same. Like water and steam. It's not 'beyond'. 

 

So someone can be concentrated or embodied in 'here and now' including mundane thoughts and be in meditation all the while - and another is in deep quietude and yet not in meditation. 

When one enters the stillness in the depths of meditation, one transcends the little self-limiting personal ego and intuitively becomes aware of the vast panorama of the Cosmic Being. This is a direct experience and one can validate those experiences as real and not just imagination. Too many people call concentration "meditation" when it is not. Concentration is a preliminary stage that is required to become truly meditative.

 

Let me share with you my own personal breakthrough story that happened many years ago during meditation as an example. My spiritual mentor was speaking at my home before a group of 30 of my friends and acquaintances. At the end, she looked at me and told me to always follow my "pure intuition" since it was very very strong. I said that I did; she countered that I didn't. I repeated that I did; she countered once again that I didn't. Finally, she told me that, on the next occasion when I had a pure intuition, I should follow it unquestioningly and I would learn something important. That intrigued me and I agreed.

 

The very next morning, I was sitting in meditation and, while I normally could enter the stillness very quickly via mantra, I could not do so this morning. What kept coming to mind repeatedly was a gay acquaintance who had a boyfriend that I did not even know. The message coming through was that this boyfriend was in mortal danger --- a life-or-death situation --- and that I had to see him that very day for tomorrow would be too late. I couldn't get this out of my mind as hard as I tried to get rid of this disturbing thought about some one whom I didn't even know. Nonetheless, the thought kept recurring and I could not get rid of it because it was so strong. Suddenly, I recalled my teacher's words about "pure intuition" and wondered whether this was "pure intuition". Indeed, what is "pure intuition"? First of all, I realized that I didn't want this thought but couldn't get rid of it. I didn't want to follow through on this as I felt that I would look foolish bringing this up with an acquaintance whom I really didn't know that well. There was nothing to gain by following through on this, and there could be a lot of bruised ego (:)) that could result from a follow-through. Finally, upon contemplating my mentor's words further, I concluded that this was "pure intuition" and that a follow-through was necessary to "learn something important" as she had put it.

 

I was understandably very defensive when I called my acquaintance to inform him that his boyfriend was in mortal danger. I was so defensive that I preceded my revelation by the story about my spiritual mentor so he wouldn't think I was crazy. Even then, I was very uncomfortable. To my surprise, my acquaintance responded positively and said that he had been worried about his boyfriend's behavior over the last few days and said that he would call him immediately. He returned my call in a few minutes and said that his boyfriend wanted to see me that very day.

 

Once again, I was apprehensive about meeting this complete stranger with this outwardly "absurd" warning. Nonetheless, having gone this far, I decided to continue to follow through. It took me about an hour to travel from my home to the boyfriend's apartment in Manhattan where my acquaintance met me. Understandably defensive once again, I preceded my warning with the story about my teacher. I then told him directly that I had a very strong "pure intuition" that he was in mortal danger, that it was a matter of life or death, and that tomorrow would be too late. I cringed waiting for the reaction. The boyfriend, who was in his early 20s at the time, started to cry at that point and said that he was going to reveal something that he had not told anyone else. He said that he had been tested for AIDS twice and had tested positive. He had made up his mind to commit suicide that very evening as soon as my acquaintance (his boyfriend) left town on a business trip. He said that he had everything in the apartment to commit suicide that very evening. He added that he had prayed that, if he was not supposed to commit suicide, that there be a very clear and unmistakable sign. According to him, this most assuredly qualified as a clear and unmistakable sign in answer to his prayer. Needless to say, my acquaintance cancelled his business trip to be with his boyfriend and the story has a happy ending. Through meditation and spiritual practices, the boyfriend was able to reverse his illness and subsequently tested negative multiple times as his life took a decidedly spiritual turn.

 

Since that breakthrough experience, pure intuitions have arisen at other times in my life and, regardless of how "absurd" they may appear, I unquestioningly follow through on them and, as in this case, they can often  be validated. They unerringly guide my steps one-step-at-a-time, as the expressions goes.

 

What is meditation? The best definition (according to me personally :)) is that it is the art of shifting attention to subtler and subtler levels of consciousness without losing a grip on those levels left behind. (I actually stole that definition from Nisargadatta Maharaj.) At the subtler levels, one clearly goes "beyond" the limited personal separatist perspective and I don't intend to quibble over the use of the word "beyond" as in your water/steam comment. Hopefully, you understand what I mean by "beyond" in this context. As such and such experiences become more and more common, one's doubts about the process are dispelled and one proceeds from faith to confidence to trust to complete SURRENDER to that which lies beyond the limited separatist egotistical little false self. At that point, one becomes a light unto one's Self and, with that guidance, acts intuitively and virtually unnoticed in the best interests of the Totality with no expectation of a return.

 

To get back to the original point, despite Osho's somewhat controversial practices, I agree with him completely that Steiner does NOT know what meditation is. He teaches various forms of concentration which is an absolutely necessary requirement to be able to go into the depths of meditation. However, that's enough of Steiner for me. People must follow the path best suited to them individually and that is a matter of personal choice. Steiner does have a lot of interesting information to convey as one learns something from everyone and everything if one has eyes to see and ears to hear.

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Thank you for sharing that story. 

 

In my current interpretation of experience I separate between energy and spirit. 

 

Energy being every state of consciousness possible, from the lowest to highest frequency to stillness. 

 

Spirit is absolute. The same no matter what color the moment. Dwelling therein is what I call meditation, 'going beyond'. 

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7 hours ago, Wuschel said:

Thank you for sharing that story. 

 

In my current interpretation of experience I separate between energy and spirit. 

 

Energy being every state of consciousness possible, from the lowest to highest frequency to stillness. 

 

Spirit is absolute. The same no matter what color the moment. Dwelling therein is what I call meditation, 'going beyond'. 

I'm glad that you enjoyed my story; I thought that you might appreciate it.

 

Even in stillness there is potential energy. :)

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3 hours ago, Still_Waters said:

I'm glad that you enjoyed my story; I thought that you might appreciate it.

 

Yes I do. I call what you were talking about heartflow or inner compass. Aligning with it I consider essential. I've too had experiences of synchronicity which made me trust. But actually 24/7 hearing it and acting upon it, even though there are other voices much louder and promising more reward, that's another story. So thanks for making me look there and 'feeding' it. :)

 

3 hours ago, Still_Waters said:

Even in stillness there is potential energy. :)

 

I'd say stillness IS potential energy. 

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14 hours ago, Wuschel said:

 

Yes I do. I call what you were talking about heartflow or inner compass. Aligning with it I consider essential. I've too had experiences of synchronicity which made me trust. But actually 24/7 hearing it and acting upon it, even though there are other voices much louder and promising more reward, that's another story. So thanks for making me look there and 'feeding' it. :)

 

 

I'd say stillness IS potential energy. 

To use your terminology, "heartflow or inner compass" must indeed become "24/7 hearing it and acting upon it". As one's results after acting are unerringly optimal when one becomes thus aligned with it, it becomes easier and easier to make it a 24/7 experience.

 

Although words eventually become inadequate, I'm comfortable with your statement that "stillness IS potential energy". :)

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