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edited. never mind

We need to understand why the visions occur and eliminate the root of the problem. Ming is what needed for that. Or the energy that is produced in authentic tummo. That' the point! I have nothing against Tibetan stuff, but I think it is very much about karmic inclination, many of Tibetan masters were reborn in Tibet or somewhere else but they had background in these methods from previous lives. So for them this is fine, it is their path I used to visit that group once. My observation was that all of them were in very Yin state of energy. And you know what - I used to talk to one person from that group for a few years and he wrote that Daoist methods, all Yoga stuff are WRONG and only their "gnostic" path is something special. But in fact this is Yin way of "spirituality". Most of these groups have strong Egregor which can give some boost of energy but you have to be aware of that it will demand smth from you back afterwards

I talked to him personally and asked him a few questions. When I asked about Ming methods ih his teaching he refused to answer my question. Then I asked him about his opinion on Taiji methods and whether they might correlate and can go along with Dzogchen practice. His answer was "you should quit it if you want to practice Tibetan methods I teach". I have never had conversation with him after that and have no desire to be honest. In my opinion (and from Daoist perspective) one should not do any Dream Yoga until they are good at Ming methods and have their yuan jing full. Even if it is full the dream practice is somewhat different in Neidan, there is nothing like "lucid dreaming". But he held this seminar to complete beginners. I am not sure his teaching is authentic Tibetan Buddhism, probably some modern variation of it. Also I was a member of that group for awhile and I did not see there any Ming related methods.

Yeah, how many girlfriends you have got for last few months?

Well, they say this is yuan jing + yuan qi, but there is other "definition" of it that I don't want to mention here. In simple words it is what just invigorates you The more Ming you have the more you tend to love other people women

Yes, he mentioned Dharmakaya only that refers to Xing or Taiji. But this method is Xing cultivation from Daoist perspective

I disagree with you here Well, they say about "body" and not just quality No, it is not just concept. May be in modern Buddhism there are many concepts but in Daoist teaching there is always some form of "energy" behind all phenomena

Not everything so simple, I just checked some texts - in the beginning it is just elixir when one joins xing and ming. Golden one is next stage and requires embryo breathing. This is not just Awareness

This is good system byt there is specific order in these meds which one should know to accomplish it

If you can see Golden Light right now - my congrats, keep going, you are on the right track. smth like that yeah, but you need your jing for channels opening and building too. some of them do not exist yet, they have to be built

Even if there is one near by here they hide their achievements, also I dont think they live in society

This is true but for celestial immortals only. Other people have chance to get "elixir" (not golden). It is quite rare achievement in Daoism too, I mean the golden one. At least Daoist methods are good for longevity and balance and there is chance to get more. As I said in other thread - the more ming one obtains the better chance for good reincarnation All depends on Destiny and correct methods. No warranty here

It corresponds with some aspects described in Secret of Golden Flower, for example, so this is good, but in my opinion they lack Ming methods in Dzogchen. But ofc it depends on a lineage, some of them can have it too. They have authentic tummo but I don't know which lineage has it now.

I propose you to read daoist texts before starting new thread on Neidan First read, investigate then teach other people

Your vote will be counted but

Yuan qi is part of Ming and this is Yang, the goal of Neidan to obtain Single Yang

This is the purpose of Yangshengong, and it can't vitalize yuan qi since it just balances post heaven qi so that you will need less yuan qi usage to maintain post heaven in healthy conditions

if u mean this: 气 + 米 —> 氣 air + rice —> qi oxygen + food —> energy this is post-heaven qi, nothing to do with Neidan

Are you going to participate in the new subforum discussion?

Absolutely. Interesting what is ChiDragon' thought on the picture

I doubt that modern Buddhist understand, for example, what is Sambhogakaya and Dharmakaya. The second one they may be realize but what is the first one, you know it?

If you are not Daoist what are you doing here then?

Mods, please move this thread to the "Esoteric and Occult Discussion" Or to "Rabbit Hole" may be. BTW what they mean by Rabbit HOLE?

Yin Yang imbalance, excessive fire in heart/liver, yuan jing dispersion, madness, also one can get very dumb if does sitting meditations too much without correct moving exercises, also blocks in some channels may occur and entities possession/attack I heard about a guy who did correct methods but went mad Another guy did correct methods and had Hindu God visitation who said to him to visit Sai Baba in India and he went there and quit Daoist practice

yeah, one can make 20 jokes or just write some short posts with few phrases and then troll the sub-forum discussion it where we are now