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On 07/07/2021 at 2:39 AM, dawn90 said:

Hello you all; just a quick question. You know better than I do but. What would be the best way to activate the third eye, if one had only the two eyes to work with.

I suspect I'm close, and I've worked every part of my body except the hairs; and, all that's left is the two eyes. I've read that pineal gland activation could be achieved through somehow, working the eyeball, itself. Is that true?

 

What exercises do you know about?

 

It has to be an exercise that squeezes the eyeball, or something close to that.

 

Thank you, and I await your answers.

 

PS: Something just occured to me:

 

Could frowning be considered a good technique to press the third eye.

Because if I frown my face. And move up my nose; and sort of squint my eyes, I can squeeze it from all angles, and trap it in a sort of circle. Just a thought there.

 

Immerse yourself in the subtlety of nature, maintain stillness and tranquility – and do this for a long time and it will progressively open (it is not a switch.) No special tricks are necessary. It is simply a matter of vibrational entrainment (as with everything to do with consciousness). Attune yourself to the subtlest energies the physical dimension has to offer, they are gateways to the tenderness of the Dao, whose frequencies will take you to the precipice of Taiji whence you need only freefall into the immaterial in order to consciously familiarise yourself with its energy signatures. Once you've done that, your body will naturally be capable of recognizing and picking up those ranges of information; essentially, once you know you know – even though you already always know – in this life, you're remembering that you know from a different perspective, which is the definition of growth. Bear in mind that, the closer you get to the envelope of Taiji, the less you have to do to stabilize that state of being. In fact, at the initial stages any "doing" will simply snap you back to the consciousness of the body. There is initially a sort of duality present between the two, but once you normalize the state, they collapse into one and everything you can do, witness, or experience in a higher realm of consciousness becomes native to the non-meditative state, if you will, for lack of better phraseology.

 

All of doing happens within nondoing and nondoing gives birth to all doing.

Everything arises from nothing.

Nothing is being everything that is.

 

Try to initially use your imagination and will (you wei) to know your consciousness expanding beyond the borders of your body and blending into all the other consciousnesses of all other beings around you. Blend with the trees, with the seas, with the rivers, with the subtlety of the sunlight. Blend as one drop of water would blend with another to form a greater drop and endless drops would unite to form a mighty ocean. Blend and imagine becoming one identity. This more than anything will help you attune to the frequencies of energy needed to stimulate the third eye.

 

The paradox to existence is that while consciousness is "seemingly" inside the physical body, in fact, the idea of the physical body and Taiji as a whole is taking place inside your consciousness and your consciousness fractally is taking place inside the consciousness of the Dao. So fundamentally speaking, there is actually no physical reality – it is more akin to a consensual ideological hologram maintained by a unity of pooling consciousness that sustains the experience of physical reality. All of this starts to break apart at the seams once you begin to tune out of Taiji and start seeing the mechanics behind the whole orchestral symphony of consciousness at play.

 

You need only consciously remember the subtlety that you already are and access to those ranges of your consciousness will become available because they already exist.

But you have to consciously immerse yourself in as subtle of states as possible to "lead" yourself, to stream yourself back to your higher ranges of frequency. That is all that most of physical cultivation is really; various modalities to entrain yourself to frequencies you already possess, the activity of which "triggers" your awareness into a remembering of what you already know and that's how "abilities" awaken. It is you awakening to the knowledge of yourself and familiarising your physical mind to the expansiveness of consciousness.

 

Meditate and immerse yourself in subtlety, maintain emotional equilibrium, dissolve your "I" in favour of the collective universal one "I" and everything you want will "open and activate."

 

 

 

 

A pre-initiation talk, followed by an initiation ceremony carried out by one of our senior Dao Yu; Master Li Ming Shen.
The new Dao Yu are paired to their Hu Fa Shen interact with them for the first time through physical movement.

After this event, the Dao Yu will be able to practice in the comfort of their homes or wherever they choose to, by invoking their Hu Fa Shen to guide them in the arts of the Dao.

They are now formally inheritors of Dao Yin Shu; The Divine Guidance Art of Xiao Yao Pai.

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On 20/11/2019 at 10:46 AM, Vajra Fist said:

Apologies if you've addressed this, but what happens to you after death in this system? Do you become a hu fa shen for someone else, in order to accrue good karma and continue ascending? 

 

I've been thinking of these issues for around two years since first learning of this system, and I wonder if such a fate is even desirable?

 

Sorry buddy, this one completely skipped me. Thanks for taking care of it, Zero.

 

I'll chip in with some additional information:

 

There are several scenarios as zeros said, and as we would imagine aught to be the case; they manifests in relation to your personal efforts. 

 

These are some of the possibilities:

1. You're initiated and receive HFS. 

- You practice, but you don't practice enough. 

- You die and you reincarnate. 

- Next life you have to be initiated again. 

- You retain your developments as they are part of your consciousness. More talents and abilities may become prominent in the following incarnation and it will be easier to find us again as your affinity will be stronger. 

 

2. " - - "

- You practice diligently enough to develop your consciousness and learn to act as it and move yourself outside of the bounds of your body (a practice that begins while incarnated); You break the conceptual and material boundaries of Taiji and start operating as one progressively singular unit within the  immateriality of Wuji. 

- You continue to cultivate yourself and improve your emotional condition and energetic quality and quantity through residing in Wuji, and by entering Taiji in a formless state to aid and assist the development of other incarnated beings ie: you take on the role of a HFS within the school and accept responsibilities befitting your current level of experience and energetic skill. 

 

3. "- -" 

- You cultivate your consciousness to a high degree and achieve a high rank with the ability to reside in very subtle dimensions of the Dao, but due to very heavy and unfulfilled karma. You require to enter Taiji again through a live birth in order to" handshake" the respective karmic relationship away and neutralise the debt or the credit.

- You die and return to your high state of achievement without any further necessity for reincarnation, unless by choice. 

 

4. "- -" 

- You cultivate your consciousness to a high degree and achieve a high rank with the ability to reside in very subtle dimensions of the Dao, but you still have minor karma remaining, though not heavy enough to require interaction between two physical bodies, thus one may chose to repay what is owed or to facilitate the growth of the second party of the karmic bond, by aiding them in their current incarnation ie through, "miracles", whispers, suggestions, positive affirmations, positive guidance, positive energetic influence like surges of inspiration, love, courage or by directly helping them develop their consciousness from the role of a Hu Fa Shen. In such a way more minor residual karma can be neutralised without the need for incarnation. 

 

There may be more possibilities as the Dao is infinitely complex and colorful, but I do not know of any beyond this at this point in my journey. 

 

 

TESTIMONIAL 55:

 

It's never too late as they say! So here is a testimonial that just came in today from last year's London initiation:

 

10 months ago, I took an initiation in the Xiao Yao Pai tradition.

 

Prior to this, I experienced a few Eastern and Western traditions and assisted various empowerments, ceremonies and rituals. 

Entering the initiation I actually had no real expectation, the idea of having an “Immortal Fu fa Shen” and feeling some form of “divine guidance” was kind of alien to me… I just wanted to learn more about taoism and Chi kung and get a taster of different chi kung styles, as I’ve been doing hard chi kung for the last few years.

 

During the ceremony I remember cheating a bit and opening my eyes as I felt nothing, around me various people waving their hand in the air and I thought for a few second “WHERE DID I END UP ”. Then suddenly my hand … a “magnetic” not fully “labelable” push pull sensation started. I was amused by it and just remember the good old hypnotic magnetic hand induction that I use to play with longtime ago… oh well I Have I just been hypnotised … 

 

We spent some time listening to a few interesting talks, socialised a bit and went home where I obviously had to try again … And it worked … Well, I was just under a nice hypnotic trance wasn’t I? …

 

I Went for the second day as I appreciate the course and the people I met.

I gave up for a few days and tried again over and over for minutes sometimes hours to understand what was going on. All possible scenarios started to run in my mind… is this a real Immortal … Is this Chi ?… is this benevolent? … is this just some magnetic energy ?…. am I being possessed? … will I end up doing 360 with my head vomiting on the walls ?… Is this just me ?. 

 

I also annoyed a few of the seniors Dao Yu with my distorted analysis who gave me a sharp, direct and honest answers.

 

I decided to stop the training till I get a bit more clarity, and stoped for a few months… Life took back as normal … No HFS … No invisible friend… Yipee !!! I am normal again and can start back on a beautiful mundane life….

 

After a few months … The movements were still there, I carried the practice remembering the wise words of a great Dao Yu : “The proof is in the pudding” and that  my initial set of practices felt quite good and benevolent, nothing really bad happened during rather the contrary… it was mainly my own mis judgments, fears that set me back as usual…

 

I practiced more and more with my HFS, and what a beautiful practice I must say. 

 

I am still not sure of anything  but what I am sure is that in moments of extreme physical pain (excruciating migraines since childhood) the practice and the Kindness of the HFS heals me.

I would like to thank Xiao Yao Pai, our elders for passing this beautiful tradition. Word are not enough. All I seen was beauty and purity .

 

Anon.
DAO YING | LONDON, UK | OCTOBER 2019

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I found the retreat great from the teachings, to the people, to the cosy venue we were hosted in. In the beginning we had an introduction into Spiritual Taoism and later that afternoon we were given the opportunity to meet our Hu Fa Shen.

 

When the time came we all said a prayer to invoke the spirit. Then we sat quietly and meditated.  A few minutes in I a felt an energy moving in my body especially my legs and head. Then a subtle energy which was not mine started moving my head to the back and front. This went on for a while and when it stopped I just carried on meditating as I felt so calm and doing it was easier than usual.

 

The next days I felt really happy – during one of the meditations I actually cried of happiness. I was very grateful for this gift and finally felt that that I found my path.

 

On another occasion since the retreat I was on my way back from a tiring event and was feeling a bit unsettled. Then, I realised the best thing I could do was to meditate. That time I meditated for the longest time in one sitting -  1h 30 minutes – and I’ve never felt more peaceful and settled.

 

All in all coming to this retreat was one of the best choices I made and next year I will bring my partner too and hopefully my parents can have the opportunity to do it in the future. 

 

Alexandra
DAO YING | LONDON, UK | OCTOBER 2019

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Hi Xuan,

 

This is my testimonial written a week and a half after the London 2019 Dao Yin Shu initiation:

 

I came to the initiation with a yogic and KAP (Kundalini Awakening Process) background. Especially the latter helped me to have an understanding of the principles of what I have been practicing for a week and a half.

 

The mood of the event organizers and of master Flyming and Nina were very good, which helped to have a good time during the weekend. During the initiation I was one of those few that didn´t move externally.

 

However I felt a lot of internal energy movement in orbits touching the top of my head, although it´s not the first time I have felt it. Anyway I was not worried since Effi (Xuan Daoji) said that in his initiation he didn´t move, just saw an image.

 

During the practices that I performed afterwards, sometimes I moved, sometimes I practised Qi Gong breathing exercises accompanied by hands movement, and sometimes Jing Zuo, still meditation. I feel like an impulse to move in a certain way, or a thought image comes and then I follow. Sometimes I move the neck, sometimes the hands guiding the energy internally in orbits, sometimes the legs (in a movement new to me). My legs blood circulation has improved after initiation and now after many hours of sitting at work I don't feel discomfort in the right hip or much less discomfort. 

 

I still am not 100% sure if I am moving according to my FFS or according to my intuition, but I will keep practising since I like the practice and where this is going.

 

At night I no longer use audios to sleep. 

 

The other day my meditation was really deep, and could have probably entered samadhi/ awareness of light without any objects (as has happened to me in the past, but not frequently) if I didn't have to stop to go to work. 

 

Thank you and best wishes, 
L. L. 

DAO YING | LONDON, UK | OCTOBER 2019

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Wow, great stuff, so amazing

 

I am very pleasantly surprised that stuff like Dao Yin Shu exists and is readily available to the public!

 

The night before initiation I think some kind of master visited me or something as I felt great energy and I think something pleasant at LDT. Was energised the whole night.

 

At the initiation the seniors from Indonesia and Xuan were all amazing people. Very, very strong energies (and souls Very grounded, kind and welcoming people. They all look young, healthy and happy. So the atmosphere for the event was really nice. Master Flyming especially I was surprised when I first heard him talk. Very strong

 

For the first half a day I noticed getting increasingly charged with their energies from their presence. I was getting nice and pleasant, warm pinches in my body here and there. Mainly in places where I have problems like specific spot on my right knee! I can tell they all have many abilities, probably abitility to read thoughts as well, ha, their presence at least is next level.

I learned much in these 2 days and from the demonstrations as well. I very much THANK YOU.

 

During initiation I could tell when Tai Shang Lao Jun was called and came into the room. Very powerful being and pure energies.

 

I did not move much..I wasn't in best of shape, tense and such. But I surely moved, and I couldn't stop laughing for a while actually. I was just there in my body as I've been all my life but these subtle magnetic river-like is moving my body if I just relax and let it. Amazing. I still laugh like in my last session I started doing a mudra or while rotating my hands Pleasantly unexpected I also smilled the other day when  Hu Fa Shen rotated my arms very very fast, ha. I think I have more cool work to do with Hu Fa Shen that will surprise me when I do it for the first time.

 

After the event I started to move a lot more. Just now I've done a long session and I have hands rotating in all kinds of ways, head, torso, legs at the same time as well as my mind field. Quite honestly these days since the event I have made a few movements that I don't think I have ever done in my whole life, lol.

 

The Hu Fa Shen does more than just me visibly. A LOT of work is done internally, and I can fell a lot of pleasant movement and whatnot. The practice leaves me energised AND super grounded in both body and mind. I didn't that is possible. If I were to just absorb some chi and do meditation i would not feel even a fifth as good as after a session with Hu Fa Shen! I didn't even know this is possible.

 

What it does I see, is taking me deeper in consciousness. In the first few sessions every 2-5 minutes a resistance from deep would surface slowly and then instantenously leave me. It could come up as a sort of abstract pressure, or a daydream, or a feeling, etc. Then once it left/dissolved I would get a small but noticeable increase in my awareness! every few minutes. This is why I say this is powerful.

 

Lately like in the recent last session my most abstract level of thought I noticed to be instructions from Hu Fa Shen, like what it will do. Interesting...

 

I usually am in the dark keeping my eyelids shut so this makes me somewhat sleepy overtime and movements push isn't so noticeable but then I open my eyes and it gets stronger. So this isn't a form of posession or any thing like that. Its like pushing or GUIDING my own awareness/consciousness. So the more I have that I keep relaxed, the more/better it can guide me I've seen these described as a possession but I wouldn't give it that word because I can easily just move away. The "magnetic river" push is not even magnetic. It is not even that I snap out of the movement if I wish to "resist" or move against the movement, even if my hands are midair, I just move hands like they were sitting on my lap! Actually sometimes with all these rotational, active movements and because Hu Fa Shen moves my "mind-field" as well as probably my chi I can easily get stuck on letting my hands do the same movement, so then on the most abstract level of mind that I can perceive, it's like a gut feeling or very slight image of how I should move because now the movement that HFS wants me to do has changed and I've started doing the old movement by myself, getting carried away by the gross body sensations. So these kind of "very slight image" on the "most abstract level of mind" ^ seem to be more of my own translation of what Hu Fa Shen has told me.  

Energy during practice is quite strong. I sometimes keep my attention on the nose and I can feel lots of energetics all of the sudden. Just to show how much is going in the background.

 

But anyway key is to be silent and try and notice the Hu Fa Shen, that act seems to immediatly give a boost to my connection to it. Something to do with the me in the higher planes being more open...

 

Regarding the practice as far as I see and seeing in the senior initiates, where it leads to, it covers pretty much everything So now Xiao Yao Pai is my main practice. If I practice anything else like mental concentration it would be if I have extra time in the day. But XYP is number 1 prority from now

 

I would definitely recommend this to everyone ! It's worth it's weight in gold; heavenly jade gold Even if you do some other practice that you are keen on doing, I think it's safe to say Dao Yin Shu will turbo charge everything else.

 

Looking forward and really grateful for this opportunity. I am still amazed this is so easily available to the public. I can validate some of the skills these people have and develop are very much rare, at least here in Europe/western occult community

 

Also, after I left the building and was on the street in large, open space to orient in I noticed a big increase in my awareness. Like I can see or process more. I personally assumed that to be yuan shen activation I have not noticed it decrease and am pretty sure it's still here, with me. A background boost.

 

Speaking of background for the past 2 or 3 days is like I am aware of a me, very deep inside. But still Many bloackged until I reach it. Yet this me, is very deep. And these past days sometimes my imagination or emotional clarity reaches like a quality and depth that I have not experienced since I was a child. It's very powerful and liberating and that alone is worth spending the weekend gettign initiated! It's something very subtle that I've been unknownly seeking back since I left my childhood years Actually remembering people like Master Flyming, I bet his experience has surpassed and envolped the magick his childhood years were filled with, if you know what I am referring to.

 

EmeraldHead (Dao Bums)

DAO YING | LONDON, UK | OCTOBER 2019

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Hello,

 

Thanks to all the people that made this initiation possible.

 

Before I decided to join the initiation I read and saw a lot of testimonials.

 

I went to London with a lot of doubts, if it was for real or not, but I had to live the experience.

Saturday during the initiation nothing happened, no sensations, no movements. I felt disappointed, but as it was explained before initiation not everybody have movement at the beginning.

 

Saturday night and Sunday morning I practised at my hotel room and again nothing happened. I started to doubt if the initiation has worked on me.

 

But Sunday at the event, during the practice, I thought "maybe this doesn´t work on me, so I will just stay with closed eyes and enjoy the moment" and I abandoned any expectancy.

And then things started to happen, my abdomen started to do spasms with forced expiration, I almost started to cry but my rational mind controlled it, my legs started to open and close few times.

 

Since then I am practising at morning and night everyday, and the process is going on some days more intense than others, sometimes some screams come from inside me.

 

I am happy with what is going on because 13 years ago I had a bad experience during a past lives regression and things got out of control and were not solved out then. Now after all this years I feel that this process after initiation is dealing with that and the healing is happening. For me this is incredible and I was not expecting this.

 

Thanks and regards,
Miguel S.

DAO YING | LONDON, UK | OCTOBER 2019

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Hello Friends,

 

The first time I heard anything about the term Hu Fa Shen was around 3 years ago, when my younger daughter, Galina, shared with me that she had planned to attend an “initiation.”

 

To be frank, my first thought was, what the hell is that, some kind of sect?! 

 

I should mention that we don’t live close together. Galina lives in London while I live in Rome, Italy.

 

As a consequence of certain life events, we were separated and forced to live far from each other, as with her sister, Borislava; a fact which has caused much suffering, at least for me.

 

Back to the initiation. I've never prevented my children from realising their wishes and chasing their dreams, because they're incredibly smart and responsible individuals with open minds, and as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing worse than clipping your children's wings on account of your own fear of flight.

 

Some time after Gali had been paired with her Hu Fa Shen and had commited herself to the practice, we met during a visit she paid me. I asked her then how she felt. I wanted to know if it's real. To know if it really exists; and she invoked her Hu Fa Shen in my presence.

 

Honestly, It was difficult to be convinced by what I was witnessing and I didn't believe it much. It seemed to me like the movements she was making were her own or that she was influenced by some form of suggestion, yet, on the other hand, secretly; I wished that it was true and that there really was a "Guardian Angel", who would look after and over her in those moments when I myself couldn't.

 

And so the years passed. Circumstances happened to change and I found out that a new initiation event is going to be taking place. I decided that it was time for me to also "get" my "Guardian Angel", even though the doubt still existed and I was convinced that all this could be explained as some form of psychological suggestion. I couldn't bring myself to believe that all the things Gali told me about could be true. It simply went against my logic.

 

And so, the day came. I made the journey to London where we also met my older daughter, Borislava, and the three of us together started towards the "place."

 

There were a lot of people. Their numbers had surpassed my expectations. They were intelligent people with pure, good hearts and souls.

 

I made the acquaintance of the masters and teachers dressed in yellow and I met Effi; a wonderful man with a deep mind whose face wore the shadows of sufferings triumphed.

 

And so it began. I don't understand English very well, but I could get the gist of it. I was still in disbelief.

 

They talked. It went on for a while, quite a while. They were beautiful words coming from beautiful teachers.

 

At the end of the day, we got initiatied. I felt very little. I was tired and there was little in me left to muster any belief.

 

When we left the event venue I felt a little dizzy and floaty. It felt like I was "swimming" in the air around me as if I was embraced by a cloud.

 

We arrived home and I decided to try again and see if anything would happen. I invited my teacher and to my surprise he arrived.

 

He began to "move" me.

 

I have a lot of problems with my waist and lower back.

 

He began to guide me into Yoga-esque positions which suited my ailments and were consistent with my problems.

 

I started to believe a little...... 

 

On the next day, I practiced again, the doubt still lingering, but he came again, and again and again.

 

I was happy even thought my adamantine logic continued in its failure to explain what I was experiencing or how for that matter.

 

I was happy and felt peace for the first time in years. Apart from when I was a child, I don't think I've ever felt such peace in my life.

I felt light. I looked at people with love. Nothing seemed to irritate me. I loved everyone and felt a love towards myself. I felt strong and unconquerable. It was an incredible feeling.

 

I feel happy.

 

Thank you to the teachers, thank you to Effi and to everyone who made this experience possible.

 

Thank you to my wonderful daughters who are always by my side, and especially, Gali, who was the first of us to discover this light.

 

Thank you to my amazing partner, also, who supported me in this adventure despite his disbelief. I understand you. 

 

I love you all.

Thank you for existing.

I love everyone.

Please Love yourselves!

Hristina T. 

DAO YING | LONDON, UK | OCTOBER 2019

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TESTIMONIAL 47:

 

DAO YING | LONDON, UK | OCTOBER 2019

 

 

 

Da Jia Xue Dao Hao!

 

Hello everyone.

 

Please help me give a warm welcome in congratulating the 23 new Dao Yu who joined our school this weekend, in London, UK - and inherited The Divine Guidance Art; Dao Yin Shu.

Thank you all for joining us. It was a genuine pleasure to meet all of you, hear many of your stories, struggles, passions and triumphs, and to finally be able to put handshakes and embraces to all your profile pictures : )

 

I'd like to especially commend those of you who put the value of consciousness over matter and exercised such commitment by travelling from lands afar - crossing oceans and whole continents to share a space with us in this common investigation of our multidimensional reality.

 

Thank you also for being patient, because I know that many of you have waited for this event for up to 3 years; and I'm happy and humbled to have witnessed you being rewarded in kind for that virtue during your initiation as you connected to your Hu Fa Shen for the first time, but also in the days that followed, where the strength of that relationship was visibly growing stronger as a result of your enthusiastic practice beyond the walls of the venue.

 

Thank you for giving us the opportunity to manifest the grace of the divine within your lives and to execute the eternal mandate of heaven by supporting the evolution of consciousness and providing you with the tools, guidance and direction necessary to bring yourself closer to the subtlety of the consciousness of the Dao.

You are now inheritors of Dao Yin Shu; The Divine Guidance Art of Daoist antiquity

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You hold within your hands the very fire of spiritual transformation; and under the guidance of those that have already completed the path to mergence, you will, should you choose to, be guided along a journey that can offer you unparalleled spiritual growth and evolution.

 

When you liangong (practice DYS), empty your mind and keep it open, gentle, loving and all embracing.

 

Dissolve into the nurturing flow of your Hu Fa Shen and let him/her guide your consciousness away from the density of this physical realm. Settle yourself into the ocean of stillness where the primordial energy of the Dao exists in its subtlest manifestation. Habituate your consciousness to resonate and exist within that dimension. Let the purity of these realms, enter you and become you and the structure of your soul will gradually become as that of those who reside there, freed of the egoic passions, vices and the karmic responsibility of human existence

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Learn to function from within that subtlety of stillness, knowing you are it and it is you, for to the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders.

Listen to the tenderness of the Dao not with the ears of the body, but with the ears of the heart and allow its quietude to pour into you from every side.

Be diligent in your cultivation.

 

Practice regularly and always remember to exercise your wisdom (Wu) before all things.

 

Tai Shang Bao Yu!

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After speaking with many different practitioners and thinking about this topic quite a lot, it seems to be quite the conundrum. 

 

 

I collectively direct this message to everyone.

You keep discussing stupid shit instead of practising : )

 

There are two major branches to the approach of spiritual cultivation, be it under the umbrella of Daoism or any other culture.

The first is through a direct connection to a Shen and is how it all began. Here the work is primarily Wu Wei.

The second is learning through books or from a living master. Here the work is primarily You Wei.

 

In Wu Wei systems like Xiantian Dao Yin Shu, we don't have to study theory before practice, because Hu Fa Shen directs every movement of energy in the body, be it the physical body, the subtle energy body or the human/divine consciousness. 

 

Think about all the things you need to take into consideration working on your own;

 

Does the energy need to move into this meridian or that?

How do I make sure it doesn't go into the wrong path?

When does it have to do it exactly?

How much should we push inside?

Should the pressure be light or strong?

Where do we pause the movement along the path?

Does the force have to synchronise with the breath?

How long do we keep it there?

Do we bring it all back or divert some of it somewhere else?

What time during the day/night/year should we do it?

Should we use the imagination for this one or should we wait for our spirit to act spontaneously?

How deep should we inhale?

How deep should we exhale?

Should we pause the breath on inhale or exhale?

For how long?

In which direction do we lift the sphincters and at which of the pauses do we do it?

Where is our attention at this time?

etc Ad infinitum.

 

Knowing all the technical details is something that can be mutually exclusive from executing all the technical details during the practice of DYS.

There are times when we have to voluntarily apply pressure in order to increase the force with which energy is moving in a meridian, but the direction is still administered by the Hu Fa Shen.

 

It is like if you have a car.

 

You wash it.

You change the oil.

You change the fuel.

You take it for regular check-ups.

Maybe change the colour sometimes or buy some cool accessories etc.

 

Inviting Hu Fa Shen is like someone taking the driver's seat in your car, while you relax in the passengers seat (most of the time).

You don't even have to help navigate with a map, because Hu Fa Shen knows the way to his home by heart, but the trip is long, so the condition of the car is important.

The tires have to be pumped, tank regularly topped up and you need to have tools to fix anything that needs maintenance or gets broken.

 

Thankfully, HFS is also a professional mechanic : )

 

Don't get me wrong though. DYS practice doesn't always feel like you're just a feather being taken by a gentle current.

We're dealing with a lot of pure energy here that steps down into the system and stars harmonising, and this can cause a great deal of physical reactions when energy starts flowing and stagnated pockets of energy are cleared. You may experience strong gyrating movements and vibrations, spontaneous crying, screaming, yelling, whaling, grunts, snarls, blowing of air in specific sounds, burning sensations, extreme and near unbearable gravity at specific acupuncture points (particularly when they are activated with primordial qi). Honestly the variety of ways in which a persons individual practice can unfold is an endless list that can be compared in its vastness only to the uncountable multitude of individual consciousnesses that inhabit the Dao. Nevertheless, all development by the Shen is direct along the Divine curriculum of our school, which serves to develop the consciousness of the Dao Yu in a manner that will facilitate its resonance with the dimension of the Dao within which the collective consciousness of Tai Shang Laojun and all the Shen in the role of Hu Fa reside.

 

Things just "happen" when you practice XTDYS - and yes, those "things" match up with the things you read in the modern books and the classics, but you don't HAVE to know them, in order for them to happen. In fact, the less you know the better, as your mind's expectations of what it has never experienced or a place it has never been to, ironically enough, tends to cause resistance.

 

Those that make the fastest progress in DYS are those that are most ignorant of the methodologies of internal alchemy.

 

This is the FUNDAMENTAL reason why our tradition as a whole is not particularly popular in literature and by extension in public, because along the course of its history, there was never any pressing reason to communicate or record anything for future disciples to reference. Either you were initiated and therefore could cultivate under the administration of a Shen or you weren't, in which case you needed oral or written instructions from another school. It's really that simple.

 

Li Shifu was just a teenager when an old man came to him and took him as his disciple.

He would go to the forest to meet him there.

After he inherited Dao Yin Shu and had his own family, he transmitted it to them.

The art was transmitted very selectively since the beginning of time.

Our Shifu was granted authority to share it openly.

Today, DYS has been inherited by over 140,000 Daoists, including government ministers, nobility and priests of the major Daoist sects in prominent temples and organisations around the world.

 

We really don't have anything to prove at this point. We're long past that and at a point where it speaks for itself.

In fact, if anything, we should be asking for people to prove to us why they think they deserve to inherit Dao Yin Shu.

 

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From what I've learned there are basically two different types of systems. Traditional systems and Shen systems. 

 

I always find this misunderstanding quite amusing when I come across it, since forms of early shamanistic practice and Daoist thought were already prevalent thousands of years before the time of Laozi; which is what people tend to consider traditional Daoism.
 

Chinese spiritual practice doesn't start with Laozi or even Huang Di. The consciousness of our celestial headmaster, Tai Shang Laojun, and of others, such as the aforementioned, Huang Di, have been presiding over the development of the earth and supporting the evolution of individual beings since the very early beginnings of this planet, when the most basic forms of energy were still in the early stages of coagulating to form the material organism that could facilitate the growth of consciousness through the process of incarnation ie; the crossing of the bridge between Wuji and Taiji.

 

It reminds me of responses I often receive from persons when I'm discussing something like the Huangdi Neijing, Neijingtu, Cantongqi or the Wuzhen Pian.

They say, look at this non-traditional new age stuff 

 

Anyway. I'm just thinking out loud so please don't take anything personally  - It is just that most people's history doesn't go back far enough to realise that often, their idea of "traditional" IS actually, in many cases, the new-age stuff they are referring to.

 

Nevertheless, I am only making this statement to raise to view the dichotomy of this perspective. In reality, Daoism is an evolving one and during the course of time the Shen have also made adjustments to accommodate and harmonise with the cultural and technological development of human civilisation. They don't just stick to one thing unintelligently.

 

Daoism isn't just what we can read in texts.

It's happening right now, everywhere, and if you continue to look back to the past you will miss what is taking place right in front of you.

 

All the masters whose texts you read and methods you practice to call yourself a Daoist, are alive, still teaching and among us always as disembodied consciousness who enter and exit Taiji to help us draw ourselves closer to them by the condition of our consciousness., in so doing, going deeper into the subtle dimensions of the Dao.

The Shen follow the heartbeat of the Dao and support us all in our evolution. In fact, they are the heartbeat of the Dao.

 

And I'll tell you something funny, many of the Shen do not look upon their texts and produced works with the same religiousity and drunken reverence that we often do.

Some even have said, hmm, I could probably have written that a little better and I'd probably explain that in a different way to the humans of today!

 

Search for the Dao in the present moment which is the most current culmination of all wisdom. It is not in the past.

 

Do you remember when Confucius went to meet Laozi all dressed up fancy with elaborate robes, wanting to have a discussion about etiquette and ceremonial customs; citing those from the past and Laozi cut him off abruptly and told him, all the masters you speak of are dead in their graves, you cannot learn wisdom from the ancients and a swan does not need to bathe daily to remain white.

 

There are some interesting lessons worth contemplating there.

 

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The first is the traditional Jing -> Qi -> Shen cultivation path.

 

According to the traditions I've looked into it is based around firstly changing the body to make it a fit vehicle for later spiritual work. For instance, one way of looking at this schematic (in my preliminary understanding) would be something like: 

 

1. Conditioning and preparing the physical body, herein both stretching the body, learning how to hang muscles and align the body properly, how to "sink the Qi" and eventually connecting/changing the entire fascia system. Usually takes many years of work just to get this step right to my understanding. This is a state of vibrant physical health already and there won't be coarse physical issues in my understanding. 
2.  Beginning the stage of jing to Qi, wherein jing is first stilled and consolidated. Usually, in my understanding, the 100 day virgin boy training or also known as the 100 day foundation. 
3. Awakening/building the LDT, which becomes an actual physical structure that moves and twists in your lower abdomen and is now an actual physical structure that also holds immense energetic properties. 
4. Microcosmic orbit
5. Then movement of yang qi and yin qi and the mixing of fire and water
6. Qi to Shen (leading to "white moon on the mountain peak")
7. Shen stage where the yin-shen is created and erupts from the crown and then needs to learn how to move and behave independently from the body. This is said to take a long time before it is fully matured and is done in retreat and away from society. 

 

On the other hand, we have systems that go the completely opposite way. 

 

They say forget about the body, forget about physical body transformation, none of that is really most important part. You should directly work on the Shen stage from the beginning, then everything will follow nicely and your body will remain healthy and even transform to stay healthy. They say that the body is completely impermanent so spending time creating physical structures inside it like a physical dantien is not necessary nor helpful for spiritual cultivation, you're really only interested in getting to the Shen stage so you can begin refining your spirit immediately since that is the only thing that lasts and that you can take with you upon death.

 

On top of this, these types of schools also claim that you're basically skipping decades of hard gruelling jing -> qi -> shen work where every aspect of your physical and emotional nature is changed. According to them, you simply get to the last stage immediately and then everything is refined much faster that way.  

 

So, my question is basically, are they just deluding themselves? Which of the systems is correct? Are they both correct, and if so, how or why?

 

Thanks 

 

 

 

There's no such thing as a Shen only system or a Jing Qi Shen only system. This is an outrageous proposition and I don't know why people say this.

The 3 Bao are interconnected and interdependent within the complex of the human body. Any event that causes some form of partial disconnection, or better yet put, disharmony between them, in any form, while the heart is still beating, are states of disease, unwell, near death or physical death.
 

In Xiao Yao Pai, which I take it you're incorrectly referring to as a Shen only system, the SOURCE of transformation is primordial qi from Wuji, which is received from beyond the differentiated state brought about by the separation of Yin and Yang from the divine one. This is where the Shen reside and when they interact with us during practice, they help to temporarily bridge this energy into our body so it can be absorbed by it. Then, the Shen feeds the Qi and the Qi feeds the Jing, but instead of doing this from a source of turbid energy (the body), it uses the purest energy from the subtle realm and steps it down so you have a clean flow.
 

The energy cannot be absorbed directly initially, because the human consciousness is still weak, the difference in vibration will simply shock the fuck out of it and even damage it or worse. So, Hu Fa Shen bridges it by entering Taiji to a vibration that is safely digestible.
 

By practising Tai Shang Shen Gong within Dao Yin Shu, we eventually create our own internal bridge, or in order words, with time the consciousness adapts certain qualitative parameters that allow it to process the energy internally without. Hu Fa Shen needing to bridge it constantly. So we gradually become more and more independent and this allows us to be able to pull in energy from Wuji to transform our consciousness more efficiently and more independently.
 

Because we start from the top and move down, again, due to the SOURCE of energy (this is our primary difference), our skills also develop first within the subtle dimension.
In other words, the skills we develop initially can be used on a vibration level that is strictly above Qi or Jing, so it cannot affect the subtle energy or physical body at the early stage, but it can directly manipulate the energy of someones consciousness. Some of these are skills inherited, some of these are developed.

 

In order for us to shift that skill into the physical dimension we need to practice Tai Shang Shen Gong, which moves down the system and begins to develop physical power and subtle power. This is essentially our system of Neigong (we don't have Waigong), because it moves from Shen to Qi to Jing and by the time it gets to Jing the internal energy is already at a very strong level of development.
 

With Houtian Xiulian Gong, you can either work on Neigong first, or Waigong - then lead the energy inwards to develop Neigong and from Neigong move to Neidan.

 

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I think you misunderstood what I meant by possession. From what I've learned from @Jeff the possession that takes place is a sort of bond that happens in the higher chakras. This is like a hub on one's own motherboard which allows the Hu Fa Shen to take control when mutually beneficial. It is similar to what is observed in what Jeff calls a "true Guru bond". I'm not talking about possession in a negative way. Perhaps Jeff can share a few more words on what he meant by it. And maybe the two of you disagree on what happens during initiation, a process he has observed before. 

 

Yes, he has observed it, because I invited him.
Maybe its me, but the way you wrote that makes it seem like he came to spy and therefore discovered something we were trying to hide.
No. He was openly and lovingly invited.

 

Every consciousness is individual and independent from one another. We influence each other, but are individual and our individuality remains always.
One consciousness cannot possess another. I do not condone the use of the word possession even if you are employing it in its positive connotation of mutually agreed control, because that still implies that you're handing over control for whatever period of time, which is not how DYS works.

 

Handing over complete control is a direct violation of free will and a violation of the highest law, which even God-Dao does not violate.
What happens is not control, but guidance, you're "guided" (that's why our art is called The Divine Guidance Art) to move or do something at which point you can either follow it or reject it, because you're always in control.

During practice you have to develop your sensitivity to the Shen's energy and feel it when he/she guides you.

You should be able to distinguish your Hu Fa Shen's guiding energy from your own will and no matter the instruction, you can always move in the opposite direction if you wish.

There are no installations, chains, attachments, chip implants or whatever other metaphorical expressions exist : )
It is simply one consciousness helping another consciousness, no bonds are necessary for this.

 

The only one that owns anyone and is superior to everyone is the primordial Dao; for we all exist within its body and enrich it.

 

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Regardless, it is claims and personal experiences of you both. It ultimately comes down to whether one chooses to trust you. There's no way to confirm or deny whether a bond is created if one is not at a level to be able to ascertain what actually happens during initiation. It would be like an alien inserting probes into you on an extremely subtle nano layer of your body, and then you say, "nope, nothing of that sort is happening". I mean, you can't really know. What we can observe is whether the effect is beneficial or not. And according to you and the testimonials, it is beneficial and certainly not harmful so that's good. 

 

No, there isn't a way to know before initiation. You will need to become initiated and cultivate to see it for yourself.

 

Third parties outside of Xiao Yao Pai, don't always see Hu Fa Shen directly. Very often what they experience is their shadow in Taiji because most people can't detect Hu Fa Shen directly in their raw formless state of light. They show themselves only when they wish to be seen and to who they wish to see them.

 

You can have a group of Shen in the room before initiation and nobody will see them until the moment they are initiated, while others won't see them at all (yet) : )

A Shen and a Xian are both a consciousness outside of a physical body.
A Human is a consciousness inside a physical body.

 

Both a Shen and a Human can help another Human, teach him, educate him, energise him, heal his energy etc - and in both instances, no bonding is necessary.

What is it about the lack of a physical body that suddenly makes you think that consciousness must bond with you?

It is just mere energetic interaction.

You go to your patients' home and do your Wai Qi Liao Fa and then you go home.
Hu Fa Shen comes to your home and does his work and goes home too. No strings attached.

 

Moreover, if anybody wants to leave the school, they just face Tai Shang, make a formal request and dissolve the apprenticeship, then they will be stricken off the heavenly register until next life, when they can apply again. Heaven doesn't like time wasters and unserious people, so if you don't appreciate the value after you receive it, then you'll have to wait for your next life, if you're lucky enough to find us.
 

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The way you explained it in the past was better and is how I meant it. Your Hu Fa Shen is cultivating, your masters are cultivating and you are cultivating. The bond the beings make with you and all the other Dao Yu is a mutually beneficial exchange. Everyone cultivates and benefits. That's the way it was explained. Not that the Hu Fa Shens were perfect, nor that the master was perfect, but that everyone is continually refining themselves.

 

I do not always share everything about everything, so if I explained something in the past, it doesn't mean that is all the information regarding the subject.

The mutually beneficial exchange I speak of is not about collecting coins in a purse.

The Shen that have merged with the Dao embody its qualities, power, will and divine directive the deeper they go into the core.

The benefit for such a Shen is in its ability to conduct the evolution of souls within Taiji (The physical universe), using the power of the Dao to do so (or however much of this power it has managed to inherit as a result of the condition of its own consciousness as determined by its resonance with the core values of the Dao).

 

All the Shen desire to do is give themselves.
That is what Love is. Giving yourself endlessly.
The Dao gives itself endlessly to all of its creations in supporting their life and evolution.
The Shen who have drawn themselves closer to the Dao and have merged with it to become one consciousness; and who therefore act both as its body and as their individual identities, also give themselves endlessly. They are incessantly among us here in one form or another, either influencing life directly from Wuji or entering Taiji to more directly direct us in our development.

 

The benefit to you is your own growth in the direction of the Shen and the Dao through the refinement of your negative personality traits, your turbulent emotions and the density of your consciousness to make it light and soft, but also strong so it does not break or diffuse. This is the Yuan Shen that is both Yin and Yang and must be crystallised through proper cultivation. The benefit is love, peace, calm,  happiness, compassion, bliss and freedom from turmoil and incarnation - the same benefits that the subtlest Shen enjoy.

I do not understand the point you're trying to make here at all.

 

Even the Dao is expanding. With every consciousness that merges into the primordial it too is enriched.
With every unique experience we have in Taiji within the physical body; the Dao is too is enriched.

Every Shen that has merged into the subtlest dimension of the Dao. Into is core, becomes the Dao.
It is like a drop jumping in the sea, it becomes the sea and the sea becomes it.

 

In that sense they have attained the highest perfection of oneness, but even within this perfection, there is life and continued involvement with the evolution of the collective consciousness.

 

It is empty but not void (Kong).
 

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Yes, I'm quite aware of all the testimonials, thank you. But there's unfortunately no difference between what is observed and what happens during Zifagong or Shaktipat transmission. I've attended retreats where this exact thing happens, spontaneous movement, visions, all kinds of stuff. Also having the feeling of being guided, at that time, feeling of being guided by the primordially intelligent Shakti energy.  Dakinis or higher immortal beings flying in and taking control of a practictioner's vocal cords (something you also describe in one of the testimonials in the long Xiao Yao Pai thread) and singing a beautiful tune through an unknown language. Problem is that most of those experiences were temporary and didn't lead to lasting change, similar to what freeform is talking about.  

 

Ok, and what are you expecting exactly?
You have to sit down and practice. That's it.

 

Most of those experiences in the beginning serve to convince and assure the disciple that what he is experiencing is genuine.
After that, things calm down as the work moves into the cultivation of consciousness.

 

Sitting in OBLIVION. 
Sitting and FORGETTING.
SILENT sitting.

 

CONSCIOUSNESS. Only the most subtle thing in all of existence, but you want what?
Drum and Base playing every time you sit down to meditate?

Or you want to be woken up by unicorns every time your alarm rings?

 

Some people cant even feel their own physical bodies.
Others can't feel their Qi or believe it exists.
But you're complaining that consciousness isn't perceptible? : )

 

I will tell you EXACTLY why, the people who didn't experience lasting results failed, because as with everything else, they simply failed to persist, thinking that since all the bells and whistles have stopped singing now, things must be finished - no, when the bells and whistles stop, is when you're moving into the cultivation of consciousness. It's a boring exercise meditation. Sitting still and being quiet inside and out.

 

Do amazing mind blowing things happen. Oh hell yes, but if you keep expecting things with your mind, you will always fail.
Moreover, I think most people are too spoilt nowadays.

 

You can be initiated into a system where a Shen comes to teach you personally, to which you can speak to and receive messages and direction, see it, hear it, touch it.
But people still want more 

 

I can't help those ones which will not help themselves : )

 

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What would be very nice to hear is to hear from people that have practiced at least a year or longer and what changes they have observed.

 

Speaking!

Is my testimony too inconvenient or must it come from someone who was a complete virgin in internal cultivation to please you? : )

 

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You come from a Houtian background yourself so your results can't really be applied the same way I don't think. 

 

What?! - Why the hell not?
Are you implying I can't distinguish between when I started practising one system and stopped another and to which I can attribute specific achievements?

Of course I can. How can anybody not! It is not a matter that demands much to be intellectualised!
 

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I've spoken with some practitioners that have practiced for more than 10-15 years beforehand, and have been practicing Xiao Yao Pai for at least 2 years, and they say they are not even sure that they have a Hu Fa Shen or that they are being guided. They say it is so subtle. That it was very noticeable just after initiation, but then gradually it disappeared. 

 

What a surprise. Consciousness, the most subtle energy in the Dao, is subtle...
Common guys, is this even a serious conversation : )))

 

You expect to cultivate your consciousness and everything to keep on feeling physical?
Then you're just cultivating your Taiji energy, which will disperse with the body after death and not your consciousness.

 

Every Hu Fa Shen can read your mind and will treat you according to your stubbornness, arrogance, ignorance, wisdom, ethics, expectations and so forth.
They have an endless ways to test you.

 

Keep looking for palpable experiences and your Hu Fa Shen will make certain that even while you're being refined intensely, you don't get any.
Maybe you'll quit, maybe you'll surmount your ego and on the other side of the hill is a paradise of experiences.

Every Hu Fa Shen will target your weakness for it is that which needs to be refined.

Dao Yin Shu isn't only about energetic cultivation.

 

It's about ethical cultivation, wisdom cultivation, love cultivation, compassion cultivation, power and skill cultivation and it is about emotional and psychological cultivation.
You will be hit on every single one of those levels and you are the only thing that determines if you fail or succeed : )

 

Anybody who thinks that all parts of this practice are easy, just don't bother coming at all.
Better stay at home. Seriously : )

 

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My point being that maybe someone needs to be quite refined and advanced beforehand, to really notice and observe what is going on, and perhaps even to significantly progress through the Path. But perhaps you say it is different in XYP. 

 

NO! For crying out loud. This is absolute horse kaka.

 

We have Dao Yu who didn't even know what meditation was before they got initiated and they are making fantastic progress!

 

NO, stop trying to OBSERVE and UNDERSTAND whats going on.
This is the crux of the problem.

 

You're trying to use information that your mind has accumulated within the span of a lifetime to fathom the unfathomable infinity of the Dao.
It is an inconceivably stupefying attempt of the mind of a frog trying to comprehend the mind of the whole ocean, from within a WELL.

It is always doomed to failure.

 

Yes, it is definitely different, because we are under the guidance of Shen, so they direct us.
Our understanding comes through the act of doing, but we needn't know beforehand what to do or how to do it. It simply burdens the mind with anxiety. 
 

On 09/09/2019 at 7:25 AM, anshino23 said:

 

It is like @freeform mentions, the one's he saw that were actually successful in the Shen approach were those that came with a long background of Houtian. If I'm not mistaken you also had before you started houtian a background in martial arts for many, many years. That by itself helps prepare the body for houtian work. It was only after your houtian work where you managed to build the LDT (which is something you now teach to beginners through immediate reverse breathing, squeezing of the perineum and more), that you were initiated into Xiao Yao Pai and began to benefit from that way of cultivation in my understanding. 

Please correct me if I'm wrong though 

 

No, no, Ashino.

 

Many of those who have very successful practice came with no knowledge of alchemy, frail bodies, often sick or weak in some way.

It is not the quality of the body that is the most important thing when dealing with Shen, but the quality of the heart-mind which always takes precedence.

 

ALWAYS.

 

On 09/09/2019 at 8:43 AM, freeform said:

 

I think it’s right of you to clarify. But I for one didn’t read it as a form of ‘possession’...

 

In fact in most lineages at a certain stage of getting accepted into the ‘inner door’ of the school, one is initiated into the lineage - and a ‘seed’ is ceremonially ‘stamped’ into the upper Dantien.

 

With any old lineage there is always an immortal being at the head of it. By being aligned through initiation in this way, your cultivation as well as your daily life is to some extent subtly coloured by this attunement to this higher aspect of being.

 

It just sounds that your school starts with this initiation - rather than holding the initiation out for the fully committed ones.

 

Or am I missing something?

 

 

I’m curious - how do these channels function when they are activated at this deeper levels? What are some signs that this has happened?

 

 

They function in a way which facilitates the continued reunification of the spirit within the primordial qi, linking together the water element in the kidneys and the fire element in the heart so the true yang and true yin can invert their places to bring bout the primordial state of being signified by Qian and Kun in their right positions. Then the water of the primordial qi stops flowing down and out and the fire spirit stops flaring up.

 

Once these are inverted and fire is under water, the steam is constantly produced by their union which settles in the yellow court around the Zhong Dantien, from here consciousness starts to expand beyond the chest and physical body and grow in size without limit. You can always determine someones level of cultivation by the size of their consciousness, which can grow to the size of rooms, buildings, neighbourhoods, cities, countries, the planet and up to the size of the Dao which it attains after it dissolves into it completely at the sage of Kong (emptiness; our tradition's highest goal).

 

Once the primordial qi is flowing through these meridians it enables this entire process of refinement, helping the consciousness crystalise into one solid being.

Theses functions are not activated by Houtian Qi flowing through the body meridians which are mostly a product of food, drink and environmental Qi.

 

From the moment we are initiated we are directly absorbing primordial qi into the body which feeds the Xia Dantien and speeds up the whole process of work, which would otherwise have to be performed solely with ones own energy.

 

It's kind of like we plug-in and download the blueprint and the blueprint itself starts to recallibrate us form the inside, while Hu Fa Shen, the engineers, implements and administers the integration of the divine blueprint into the subtle energy and consciousness in a way that allows a steady gradual reversal of the post-natal state (ni).

 

When we move the primordial qi from the Xian Dantien, unlike in Houtian, where we cycle it, we instead  move it up the Ren and up the Du simultaneously, this is around the time the MDT and LDT start to relink together which you will feel sometimes like a stream or a line connecting between them with something like an amorphous ball passing up and down between them.

 

In all our Xiantian Qigong (which is the equivalent of the Houtian Neidan) we only focus on the Xiao Zhou Tian (Micro-CO) - we don't focus on the other Qi Jing Mai (Liu/Six).

Our whole work takes place in the torso between the LDT, MDT, UDT and outside of the physical body.

 

Signs, I've already included above, but the movement of the primordial qi in the LDT standa out for me, which is like a sudden spontaneous resuscitation of live energy. It is like the manifestation of Hun-tun within the body. Something is suddenly born. It feels like you are pregnant with a child that is moving, yet its a kind of weaving, waving, nebulous and serpentine energy, that is wanting to move and do and transform.

 

We also clear the 3 passes going up Du as well.

So we share a lot of similarities with Houtian Xiulian and also have divergences in different areas.

 

Even though there is crossover, it goes something like this:

 

- Xiantian Tai Shang Shen Gong: helps us bridge primordial qi from wuji down into taiji to be used by the body.

- Xiantian Qigong: Our Neidan and our Neigong practice - both of which involve energy work, so we call it Qigong; energy work.

- Xiantian Jing Zuo: here we primarily refine out consciousness to become more subtle by absorbing primordial qi, while increasing its crystalisation so it becomes Yang.

 

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After initiation, what are some of the main practices of the school?

 

Various methods of working with energy, absorbing energy from the sun and moon, spiritual combat and finger weaving, working on converting the spiritual energy into physical to ground it into the body for neigong power, projecting the spirit outside of the body, learning to move the consciousness more flexibly, learning to dissolve into the consciousness of other things, material or immaterial, moving energy consciously in the body.

 

On 09/09/2019 at 8:46 AM, freeform said:

 

Oops. Only just saw this.

 

I don’t think it’s superficial necessarily...

 

I think it can certainly assist ones who are interested in different schools and it would help them understand the functional differences before joining.

 

Alrighty then, there you are : )

 

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I was initiated into  XYP in 2016.......never lost conncection with the FFS......but they changed as i requested to be trained differently than the common XYP road.

 

No they didn't.

It is not your choice.

There is a directive beyond your preferences.

They just accommodated your arrogance with a lolly-pop so you would shut your ego up.

Now you are just practising the same thing, thinking it is something else and It's kind of funny, but that is what you deserve : )

 

Our school has its own system, its own methodology, its own curriculum, its own heirarchy of Shen that act as its executors and its own organisational rules in heaven as on earth.

It is for all intents and purposes like a traditional school in any one of our societies.

 

One student cannot come and change the system; this is hubris in its worst form, for a human to think he can send away a God and ask for another like some child who is unsatisfied with his toys, or to imply that he is so special that he cannot be taught in a "common" way and to imply that the school has no alchemy owing to your own limited understanding.

 

A Shen can reject a student, a student can't reject a Shen.

 

I feel dirtied by the self-conceited egocentrism of this sentiment just by reading and replying to it.

 

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I have heard some have seemed to have lost the connection to the ffs but no nothing in more detail. But to me it makes sense that xians do not train all people forever....so when they are not ripe enough they may turn away from them after a certain time.

 

Nobody looses the connection to their mandated Hu Fa Shen, providing they wish to cultivate.

The Shen under Xiao Yao Pai are not volunteers, they are on formal duty and it is their duty to use a way particular to their apprentice's consciousness and ego to advance them.

The assessment of one's "ripeness" is carried out during initiation, when the candidate Hu Fa Shen appear in the room to pick their students, and it is done on a soul level.

 

If one is rejected due to having a malevolent heart.

They are rejected on the spot, no dilly-dallying.

 

The apprenticeship is dissolved only when you dissolve it formally and after death, not before.

 

On 09/09/2019 at 8:56 AM, MIchael80 said:

I wanted to learn real alchemy and XYP is not that.....it works basically like Effie says.....but that is not real alchemy. (real alchemy is very rare!)

 

So rare in fact that when it is under your nose you do not see it.

 

Physical immortality doesn't exist.

There can only be an extension of physical life through healthy living and good internal work, but all things that are born must die.

 

There are no living physical immortals. Every Daoist and Buddhist school on the planet today that claims they have a lineage of physical immortals, have all buried their former masters in graves, or their founders would still be alive. When you ask them if their masters were buried or not, they all suddenly get very sensitive around this topic.

 

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And i am not saying that XYP is bad or anything like that...but not real alchemy.

 

Please refer to my above replies to the former posters regarding some of the phases of Neidan in Xiao Yao Pai, which you're clearly ignorant of.

You first need to enrich your understanding of the word Dan in Daoism as well as Primordial Qi.

 

Most of your misunderstandings are due to very basic misconceptions in both order of and meaning of things in Neidan.

 

FYI: the process Houtian Xiulian in Neidan is what takes place in many parts of our Xiantian Qigong, after it advances to a phase you obviously haven't reached yet, which is fine of its own, but It is not very respectable to jump to conclusions based on that lack of experience and then go on public forums saying, it doesn't exist because I didn't reach it yet.

 

We cultivate the highest Dan of the Dao and the primordial qi into which our consciousness settles and disperses during Xiantian Qigong and Xiantian Jingzuo practice and we also have Neigong.

 

And before you start saying again that you had a very long 15 minute conversation with one of our Masters, let me just remind you that I've been practising Dao Yin Shu and have been receiving education in this system of work for over 6 years now. 

 

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I am hestitant to talk about real alchemy here though

 

Damn, we dodged a bullet there.

 

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There is in my understanding no shen alone approach.......

 

Such a thing as "shen alone" does not exist and any "real" alchemist or TCM Practitioner for that matter, would spit their coffee out reading that. 

 

 

I just got notified by someone that incorrect information was being shared here again in regards to our practice methodology. 

 

I can't look for it now, because I'm at work, but I'll have a look at it later and make any necessary corrections.

 

If anyone has any specific questions regarding Tai Shang Men - Xiao Yao Pai; feel free to let me know and I'll compile everything and reply later.

 

Judging by what I was told.

It will be very long reply. 

 

In honour of the OP, I suggest we keep any questions in line with the theme of his/her thread, as much as possible.

 

On 09/09/2019 at 7:25 AM, anshino23 said:

 

I think you misunderstood what I meant by possession. From what I've learned from @Jeff the possession that takes place is a sort of bond that happens in the higher chakras. This is like a hub on one's own motherboard which allows the Hu Fa Shen to take control when mutually beneficial. It is similar to what is observed in what Jeff calls a "true Guru bond". I'm not talking about possession in a negative way. Perhaps Jeff can share a few more words on what he meant by it. And maybe the two of you disagree on what happens during initiation, a process he has observed before. 

 

Regardless, it is claims and personal experiences of you both. It ultimately comes down to whether one chooses to trust you. There's no way to confirm or deny whether a bond is created if one is not at a level to be able to ascertain what actually happens during initiation. It would be like an alien inserting probes into you on an extremely subtle nano layer of your body, and then you say, "nope, nothing of that sort is happening". I mean, you can't really know. What we can observe is whether the effect is beneficial or not. And according to you and the testimonials, it is beneficial and certainly not harmful so that's good. 

 

 

The way you explained it in the past was better and is how I meant it. Your Hu Fa Shen is cultivating, your masters are cultivating and you are cultivating. The bond the beings make with you and all the other Dao Yu is a mutually beneficial exchange. Everyone cultivates and benefits. That's the way it was explained. Not that the Hu Fa Shens were perfect, nor that the master was perfect, but that everyone is continually refining themselves.

 

 

Yes, I'm quite aware of all the testimonials, thank you. But there's unfortunately no difference between what is observed and what happens during Zifagong or Shaktipat transmission. I've attended retreats where this exact thing happens, spontaneous movement, visions, all kinds of stuff. Also having the feeling of being guided, at that time, feeling of being guided by the primordially intelligent Shakti energy.  Dakinis or higher immortal beings flying in and taking control of a practictioner's vocal cords (something you also describe in one of the testimonials in the long Xiao Yao Pai thread) and singing a beautiful tune through an unknown language. Problem is that most of those experiences were temporary and didn't lead to lasting change, similar to what freeform is talking about.  

 

What would be very nice to hear is to hear from people that have practiced at least a year or longer and what changes they have observed. You come from a Houtian background yourself so your results can't really be applied the same way I don't think. 

 

I've spoken with some practitioners that have practiced for more than 10-15 years beforehand, and have been practicing Xiao Yao Pai for at least 2 years, and they say they are not even sure that they have a Hu Fa Shen or that they are being guided. They say it is so subtle. That it was very noticeable just after initiation, but then gradually it disappeared. 

 

My point being that maybe someone needs to be quite refined and advanced beforehand, to really notice and observe what is going on, and perhaps even to significantly progress through the Path. But perhaps you say it is different in XYP. 

 

It is like @freeform mentions, the one's he saw that were actually successful in the Shen approach were those that came with a long background of Houtian. If I'm not mistaken you also had before you started houtian a background in martial arts for many, many years. That by itself helps prepare the body for houtian work. It was only after your houtian work where you managed to build the LDT (which is something you now teach to beginners through immediate reverse breathing, squeezing of the perineum and more), that you were initiated into Xiao Yao Pai and began to benefit from that way of cultivation in my understanding. 

Please correct me if I'm wrong though 

 

There are too many misunderstandings here for which I currently don't have the time to reply to, nor any particular inclination, and which of themselves will be corrected once a consistent personal body of experience has been accumulated through practice. 

 

Furthermore, none of this information aids in cultivation. It is merely superficial entertainment for the mind, so I'd rather skip the long-winded and ultimately pointless theoretical philosophy.

 

I only came here to correct the false statements pertaining to our tradition of cultivation. 

 

 

 

 

I just wan to chime in here to correct some of these statements:

 

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XYP uses the contact of what they call a Fu Fa Shen who is allegedly an immortal Xian

 

I often find the word immortal quite undignified, seeing as most souls are not distinguished in evolution primarily by their ability to live beyond the death of the physical body, for that is a common characteristic among all souls, but rather by their state of resonance with the qualities of the primordial consciousness and their level of dissolution and integration with the subtlety of the Dao.

 

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who binds to your higher chakras (basically possesses you in a mutually beneficial contract - like a Guru bond)

 

This is not right. A soul that has taken up the role of Hu Fa Shen under Tai Shang, as a representative of Xiao Yao Pai, is no more "bound" to the soul or energy of its student, than the rays of the sun are bound to the body of the person warmed by it.

 

No form of binding ever takes place, nor is there ever a necessity for an unbinding.

All practitioners of Xiantian Dao Yin Shu are as free as God/Dao made them.

Free in cognition, free in speech and free in action.

There are no contracts and there is certainly no possession.

 

Possession is typically an act of the displacement or suppression of consciousness, which is carried out by a soul whose own degree of evolution and power is less than that of the persons' body whom it wishes to occupy. Due to its inability to do so by force of itself, it must in some way either convince the incarnate soul, or have the incarnate soul convince itself that it should depress its own consciousness to make space for that of the possessing entity, which is then able to assume some level of control over the living aspects of the incarnate being. It is as a result of this lowering of ones consciousness, voluntarily, that when one is in a trance they tend to lose some measure of their cognitive capabilities, fine motor control, appear unintelligible, drool, mumble incoherently and possess the face of one who does not appear to be "present".

 

These are the common symptoms of a person possessed whose consciousness has been lowered to accommodate another.

The possessing spirit's vibration is lower, thus the incarnate being must lower its own consciousness so a handshake can occur to enable a temporal symbiosis.

 

I would strongly advise against these kinds of practices involving possession.

If you're not fully conscious, if you have to enter any form of trance induced by drugs or other influences that displace you, and if every interaction doesn't help your consciousness expand; abandon it immediately.

 

The nature of interaction with a Hu Fa Shen is nothing like the above. 

Firstly, all interaction with Hu Fa Shen is carried out in a completely lucid, conscious and non-trance state.

Practitioners can move against the guidance of Hu Fa Shen, challenge their suggestions and go their own way.

The right of free will is a divine privilege that none can hijack.

 

Hu Fa Shen's consciousness is more refined and subtle that our own consciousness, and it is we that must attune to IT, or, they make themselves denser to interact with us, but we never, ever SHRINK qualitatively in order to attune to HFS; we always expand - and this is done through tranquility, calm and a refined heart which facilitates the connection.

 

The development of the consciousness in interaction with Hu Fa Shen always results in our qualitative and quantitative expansion, not a contraction.

 

Again, please be weary of all this.

Any spirit or soul that demands that you enter a trance, lower your consciousness or reduce yourself to some stuttering, drugged puppet is not higher than you, but lower; and understand that the status of being disembodied or discarnate does not serve as evidence of the degree of evolution of a soul. A low evolution disembodied soul residing in the collective consciousness of a low vibrational realm close to the physical (Taiji), will maintain the same quality of being in its incarnate state after it has entered a physical body. Do not assume that because a soul is not in a body that somehow it is to be indiscriminately revered or respected or looked up to. No. Absolutely not. Be weary of this trap and use discernment by interrogating their ethics and their expression of love, compassion, wisdom and power.

As regards to "mutually beneficial".

 

The benefit for Hu Fa Shen which is in mergence with the Dao is only that it is able to aid in the evolution of consciousness by bringing others closer to the Dao from which, at its level, it acts out of as an integrated particle of the totality; just as a drop of water may act within the sea it has dissolved into. It's will, direction, care and intentions have merged with that of the Dao. This is non-separation from the primordial consciousness where the acquired mind has dissolved into the collective mind of the highest.

 

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and then you -- through their practices -- absorb primordial Qi in through your Baihui which is transduced/filtered down through the immortal Fu Fa Shen. 

 

During practice, our consciousness is enveloped by the sea of consciousness of the primordial within which your Hu Fa Shen resides and of which its own consciousness is an interconnected whole.

 

It is like diving into an ocean and becoming the ocean.

 

Our consciousness begins to condition itself to that of the environment it is surrounded by and so from dense it becomes more subtle.

Our practice is classified as Wu Wei.

 

It is a process of transformation or attunement through direct interaction. In the same way that we may become smarter by sharing conversation with smart people, or wetter by entering a pool. Likewise during practice our consciousness is made more subtle by being enveloped by the consciousness of one with a far more developed structure (Hu Fa Shen).

 

Of course there are more practical details, but this is the foundation. It is a practice of mergence through spiritual synchronisation.

 

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The immortal Fu Fa Shen also allegedly guides you in daily matters, takes control of your body for the exact needs you have for your cultivation, takes control of your breathing when it's needed for neigong purposes, etc

 

The manner in which these ideas are being communicated, continuously express an undertone of possession, which indicates a critical misunderstanding of our tradition.

Practice takes place, when you invite your Hu Fa Shen to practice, not other wise.

 

There are instances when Hu Fa Shen will carry out works of refinement on you outside of a formally requested practice, but these are at the subtle level and do not interfere in anyway with daily activities. You will merely, if you can, feel that Hu Fa Shen has connected and has started to bridging subtle energy into your body. This may be because you need it, it may be to catalyse a time sensitive transformation of energy, it may be to inspire you, it may be to support you in a difficult or challenging situation etc - but it is always a subtle, loving and non-disturbing supplementation and feels blissful, expanding and pleasant.

 

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According to them it's an extremely efficacious and fast system

 

Remarkably so. Primarily due to the ability to directly connect the consciousness to the realm of subtlety of the Dao and bridge the quality of that energy directly into our body to clean out the turbid and coarse emotional states and energetic disharmonies within the body. Think of it like plugging a hose from your consciousness to the pool of collective consciousness where Hu Fa Shen resides and drawing that into the body to augment the condition and quality of your own energy to match theirs.

 

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that jumps over the entire houtian pathway of transforming the body (the hard way, with celibacy, retreats etc.)

 

This is not right.

While there are numerous differences between Xiantian Xiu Dao and Houtian Xiu Dao, fundamentally what differentiates us are several factors:

 

- The quality of the energy source is of the most subtle kind which we funnel directly into our consciousness to expand it by help of Hu Fa Shen who resides in that realm and is able to guide our consciousness into it by helping to change the vibration and density of our own to match its residence in the deeper realms of the Dao.

- The guidance of Hu Fa Shen in practice and their ability to direct practice from a point of view which sees the totality of our being in all its dimensions of existence; physical, energetic and at the level of the consciousness and its associated karmic history.

 

We do not jump over the entire pathway of Houtian, in fact we share many similarities, but also have points of divergence.

Our system is like cultivation from both ends simultaneously, coming from below and from above.

 

Retreats are not necessary, but we strongly encourage group practice as the presence of multiple Hu Fa Shen in one space amplifies the strength of transformation, which allows all the consciousnesses of the practitioners in the group to more easily expand and dissolve into the collective pool of the Hu Fa Shen's own luminousity, and it is a great way to practice expanding ones own consciousness beyond the body to merge with that of those around him of a similar vibration; as this mimics the state of existence within the subtle realms of the Dao which is constructed in a similar way. Other than that, loving-sex is the second best way to practice the union of consciousness within the physical body. That is why our bits are designed in such a way to connect both bodies into one body. All this physical world is just a school for the practice of the state of the union of consciousness and the elimination of egoic self-importance and personal identity.

 

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but instead you just absorb Shen directly which is then transformed and used by the body to open its channels, build the LDT and then eventually even an immortal spirit comes and connects the Du and Ren meridians for you.

 

Correct, except that Ren and Du meridians are connected anyway. If they were not, everybody would be dead.

Rather, we are activating them on a deeper level which is triggered by a particular grade of energy.

In other words, different grades of energy can enable different functions of meridians.

 

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Supposedly it was used only by the Huang Di and was hidden until the 1970s.

 

Yes, Huangdi inherited it from Guangzhengzi, however Xiantian Dao Yin Shu was present in unnamed forms before us since the first growths of consciousness on the planet; we simply carry on this art.

 

Yes, it was in the 70s that Tai Shang granted us permission to share the art publicly, as Shifu sought a way to help his TCM patients cure their imbalances at the root level of the consciousness where they all originate in the form of improper attitudes, emotional disturbances, poor ethics and karma.

 

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They also say that Tai Shang Lao Jun watches over the initiation process and all the immortals. 

 

They are all merged into one sea of collective consciousness from which they come out into Taiji to manifest as individuals to carry out the works of aiding the evolution of denser souls.

The candidate Hu Fa Shen always appear at the initiation to receive their new students. Many people see their Hu Fa Shen immediately at the moment of initiation.

 

Here are a bunch of testimonials if you want to have a look, including some new video ones from the first initiation we had in India in August:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/xiaoyaopaitaoism/permalink/973319889399676/

 

Regards,

*Tai Shang Shen Gong;*
Supreme Spritual Power (Skill).

 

This is one of the three major forms of cultivation used within the system of Xiantian Dao Yin Shu.

 

Through the interaction of Hu Fa Shen with our consciousness, a multidimensional connection is established that bridges us directly to the realm of the Dao's subtlety in which the divine beings associated to Xiao Yao Pai reside.

 

When this bridge is initiated during practice, it facilitates the absorption of the subtle energy present within the deeper realms of the Dao, directly into the body of our own consciousness; reshaping the structure of our own energy to match that of the divine and adopting their positive qualities.

 

It is the most straight forward, efficient and simple methodology of spiritual cultivation, enabled by our ability to connect directly to the source. 

 

By practising Tai Shang Shen Gong, our consciousness naturally transforms from the state of that which is coarse and burdened with negative characteristics (human), to that which is subtle and illuminated by positive characteristics (divine). 

 

Most systems of cultivation today, typically employ an approach of "ascending purification". They purify the turbid energy of the unrefined human consciousness and then cultivate with much effort and difficulty, to gradually transform into the state that matches the consciousness of the divine.

 

This is often why, in such systems, there exists an obligation towards the acceptance of a celibate and monastic way of life, since a lot of energy needs to be harvested from the body to support the continued process of energetic transmutation of the coarse to the subtle.

 

It is as though there were two people who were tasked with throwing a rock by hand to cover a distance of 10,000 meters.

 

One attempts to throw it into the sky while standing on the ground, against the pull of gravity, while the other drops it from 10,000 meters in the air and let's it fall naturally.

 

Which one do you think will cover the distance easier, the one that throws it up or the one that let's it fall naturally?

 

In the same way, rather than making extreme efforts to transmute our energy upwards, as in other schools and often at the cost of our social life and contributed social value, in Dao Yin Shu, we just stand under the waterfall and let the stream of refined energy enter our bodies from above.

 

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Glossary:
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~Hu Fa Shen:
A soul (consciousness) that has developed itself in quality to match the condition of the subtlest realms of Dao. It exists in the disembodied, formless state and has taken up the responsibility of guiding students of Xiao Yao Pai in the form of a teacher of the spiritual arts. All Hu Fa Shen of Xiao Yao Pai are representatives of Tai Shang Lao Jun and uphold the highest ethical and moral standards.

 

~Xiantian Dao Yin Shu:
The spiritual guidance art of Xiao Yao Pai. It consists of Shengong, Qigong and Jingzuo; all of which are directed by the consciousness of the cultivator's assigned Hu Fa Shen.

 

 

 

 

TESTIMONIAL 40:

I am so thankful to Master Flyming, Sister Nina, CP and the entire team of Masters for the Initation...
It was a wonderful experience, as soon as the Initation process started, I felt strong vibrations and pull in my hands, and my hands began to move beautifully... I feel heaviness in my head...

I m feeling lucky to be initiated on Master Flyming birthday... 🎂🎊🎉

Now from last 2days there is no movements... 
One more thing after doing Qi Gong exercise, my energy level is superb...

So thankful to Master Flyming and his entire team...
🙏🙏🙏🙏😃😃😃

Parminder Kaur

TESTIMONIAL 39:

Greetings,

Got initiated on Master Flyming's birthday. It was a blissfully speechless experience.

I am feeling so light emotionally. Moreover the very next morning after initiation I had a mesmerizing experience.

It was raining heavily and there was water logging at many places, I moved out of house happily self-driving, enjoying music....in midway something within me made me say *hu fa shen* make me reach properly.

I did so and after approximately 10 mins ahead a roadside electric wire got detached from one pole approx 20'-30' height and fell on the front glass and roof of car.

But thanks to *hu fa shen* nothing happened to me or car...not even a single scratch...it could have been a fatal moment in no time, if I would haven't invoked for *hu fa shen*.

During initiation, my movements were very graceful and it felt as if its not me who is moving my body...I was leaning towards back wanted to go more back but didn't coz the chair's back support was holding me from going back further. Also my hands very naturally went on my face and under eye as if some facial massage and today I see my face glowing.

As I said earlier these are blissful moments difficult to put in words 🙏🏻☺

I will forever be grateful to *Master Flyming* and team.

Looking forward to a life full of happiness peace abundance and prosperity in all the fields.

Thank you.
Kajal

TESTIMONIAL 38:

Dear Master and team,

It truly was such a wonderful experience to be initiated by Master Fleming and your school team. 
To feel the energy move in my body was the most beautiful experience to have.

I also feel so blessed just knowing I have my very own Fun Fa Shen to guide and protect me!
A big THANK YOU to Manojkumar for making this happen.

Thank you all for coming to Mumbai and making this possible for so many of us to have access to this powerful practice!

God bless!😇

Regards and white light,
Kristine Z.