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    Ken Cohen is ordained as a Taoist priest. When I talked to him about how taoist practises seem inevitably to lead one into shamanism, he immediately agreed and said the two were indistinguishable. We nodded and moved on to the next topic.

     

    anyway. I have some quite sharp pains in my right palm today after a week or so of getting icy cold hands during practise. I wonder what is going on.

     

    Cat,

     

    Could it be the approaching autumn equinox - energy changing phase etc. I sometimes get odd physical reactions and I think it is recorded that people get colds and things around this time because their bodies are adjusting.

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    I think what is being shown to us is the viscous nature of samasara (cyclical existence). This cycle is generated by desire/greed pursuing an object (i.e. the accumulation of wealth for its own sake) which either achieves its aim which fails to satisfy/ or fails to reach its aim - both of which generate anger. In this state a kind a neurotic tension arises which cannot rest.

     

    The energy of this kind of activity is shallow and reactive. It will go through cycles of growth and collapse. At the moment we are in a collapse phase. The energy which sustained the growth of the last few years has reduced and the balloon is deflating. How far it deflates depends on where the energy will find its own balance.

     

    We can take comfort in the fact that this cycling energy cannot disrupt our inner being but obviously we need a certain amount of what Gampopa called "endowment and leisure" in order to practice.

     

    I think in times like this we should try to look to our inner strength, simplify, deal with less and less - and wait knowing that samsara was ever thus.

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    I don't see how anyone who reads Sorcerer's Apprentice could still give any credence to ANYTHING Castaneda writes, or want to have anything to do with his path/teachings.

     

     

    I read it (unfortunately) and found it to be mostly the kind of prattle which the other books are free from. Personally I take from the books what I need. I also make a distinction between the early books and the last ones (particularly Magical Passes) which I find opaque and unhelpful.

     

    I don't know if DJ existed but I still tend to think that the difference between the early and late books points to the possibility that CC actually met someone or some people who knew what they were doing - because clearly he didn't! The teachings in the books are excellent but CC's behaviour seems to typify someone who had misunderstood what he had been taught.

  10. Posted

    apepch7,

     

    About the idea of a black hole at the centre of the sun, are you thinking about the theories of Russian physicist Trofimenko and the heating of objects in space through Hawkins radiation?

     

    HG

     

    To be honest I am not sure whose theory it is but I know it has been suggested that the presence of black holes is responsible for some of the more energetic events and yes it would have to be Hawkins radiation because apart from this black holes are not emitters. I believe that there is evidence of a balck hole at the centre of our galaxy.

     

    Hmm well whether people believe my good intentions when starting this thread is up to them but as always Max and Kunlun remain unsubstantiated.

     

    I might further add that physical sensations, inexplicable experiences and the invoking of emotional states has nothing to do with enlightenment or spiritual progress but everything to do with 'mind-jobbing'.

     

    There's always someone more clever so drop being clever:

     

     

     

    And just to really annoy you Derren is gay!

     

     

    Patrick - What's wrong with being gay?

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    OK. We have the "head" group all assembled in one place. Good. For you guys, these arts will take a very looong time, because the head will only take you so far. It has a cap. However, if you drop your mind into the true brain, the heart, you will find all of the answers you seek. The heart is omniscient, but the head will just give you a headache.

     

    I am sure you are earger to jump on that bandwagon at this point... :blink: anyway....

     

    My "claims" are nothing more than stating the facts of the internal mechanics of Taoist practices. The micro-cosmic orbit for example when done properly and with the right understanding or feeling will produce certain results. What is the right understanding? Feeling your way through it. The same holds true for many other practices, but the scientific basis of those practices falls into the realm of quantum physics. If you MUST try to analyze these things from a scientific point of view then this is where you need to start looking.

     

    Internally, these practices are ALL FEELING and INTENT. When you perform them correctly you will be doing it from a feeling state. When you "use" the energy it will be from your intent. When you connect to another person's nervous system it will be an agreement that takes place at a soul level. A merging beyond the physical.

     

    What is at the center of the sun? What is responsible for all of that energy? A vacuum. You have the same inside of you.

     

    We are not saying that you actually reach out to a black hole in outer space and suck it dry. But the concept is the same, it just takes place internally. You actually access the zero point of each dan tien.

     

    If you don't understand that, then you are not qualified to refute the explanations given. If you can't do what someone like Max can do then you have no place to tell them they are wrong when they try to give you clues as to where to look for the correct understanding.

     

    You guys are bright and curious but you miss the point more often than not because you seem so hellbent on trying to prove a thing is not a thing. It is what it is.

     

    If you don't like what you hear from me, go find a good Maoshan teacher. After a few years of proving yourself, he can be the one to tell you to empty your cup, cut off your head and sit down and learn. You will also find out why students get whacked ON THE HEAD.

     

     

    Thanks for this answer - and although I don't like being called a "head" it does give some clarification about the black hole thing. By the way I am personally committed to understanding and not fruitless argument. I don't see anything wrong with this because as one of my teachers said "test everything to destruction - and if it stands up use it," also I believe the Lord Buddha said something along the lines of 'question everything'. How else do we get to the truth?

     

    When you say: "What is at the center of the sun? What is responsible for all of that energy? A vacuum. You have the same inside of you.

     

    We are not saying that you actually reach out to a black hole in outer space and suck it dry. But the concept is the same, it just takes place internally. You actually access the zero point of each dan tien. "

     

    Well two things - as someone else has pointed out there isn't a vacuum at the centre of the sun - but there is a theory that there is a mini black hole there. As far as I know this hasn't been generally accepted in the scientific community - but hey.

     

    The idea that you tune into something inside of you which is analogous or linked to the black holes in deep space is interesting. Buddha nature or immanent spirit as a core of pure potential/power, formless and self transparent, creative and yet untouched by what it creates could I suppose be compared to a black hole. Reaching 'point zero' of each dan tien is also a nice way of putting it.

     

    However I do believe the web site says something about tapping in to the energy of black holes and I still have a problem with the DNA changing idea.

     

    I would say generally that it is very tempting to quote quantum physics to explain things - but once you do, in order to be properly accepted you have to show that your explanations are consistent with the scientific discipline itself. I would suggest that you would be hard put to find a single physicist who would accept that the microcosmic orbit can be explained using quantum mechanics. Indeed to quote Richard Feynman - no-one understands quantum thermodynamics - so even if you were to show some kind of a link it doesn't really explain anything. I once saw a BBC programme on this where people such as Deeprak Chopra were questioned about their assertions by Richard Dawkins and I never saw such a rapid retreat in my life.

     

    I am still not clear whether the black hole thing is central to Kunlun teachings or just a kind of analogy.

     

    My final point is that while I accept that removing meaningless chitter chatter from our HEADS is necessary I do not accept that this means suspending your critical faculties - gentle as doves and wise as serpents.

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    true in a sense, but you can no more remove the event horizon from the system than you can the hole itself. since you cant separate one from the other, you can logically say that the quantum effects on peripheral matter are ostensibly directly attributed to the hole itself. as far as an associated transmitting agent, since everything can at one time be traced to a single origin, there is no action at a distance...its been connected from the get go (of course, that is assuming the big bang model in some fashion is correct...it certainly seems to be so, but the universe is far more complex and mysterious than I can say with any certainty...) that's not to say that we're connected to every black hole in existence, but do the math and you can see that inexorably, we have been affected by many a black hole in some way or another, no matter how subtle.

     

    as far as the DNA bit goes....is it that hard to envision or accept that high energies of some sorts can have an effect? watch these vids on how DNA replicates and have a second thought...reality doesnt necessarily lie within the realm of belief or disbelief. I'm not saying with certainty that this happens, but I do accept the plausibility, the possibility.

    'tampering' is a selective description....do you not 'tamper' by doing qigong and meditation? your destiny is laregly in your own hands...

     

     

    Joe,

     

    I accept the connectivity idea and that we are undoubtedly affected by the big bang and so on. No problem. But I am trying to get my head round not the possible science but the things that the Kunlun claim as fact. I am not saying that Max is not tapping into Black Holes (although I must admit to having some doubt) I am questioning how he knows that he can do this. If he is actually drawing energy from Black Hole's radiation then he is claiming to absorb (I think ) mainly X-ray frequency elctromagnetic radiation form space. Well ... how?

     

    If DNA is being changed then this would affect the cells being grown in the body and the new cells would be different in some observable way. Has this been tested empirically?

     

    As far as I know Kunlun has not percolated to the UK where I live so I don't know that much about it in practice. But some of it sounds a bit like a form of Qi Gong I was taught in Manchester about 10 years ago by Master To. So I don't have a problem with it. Where I struggle is with what I feel are pseudo-scientific claims about how it works. At the risk of being shot down in flames I would have to say that this comes across as a form of marketing to make the whole thing appear more cosmic and powerful. In fact it is not unique to this particular school of teaching to come up with some dramatic presentation, some impressive but unverifiable lineage and the promise of the revelation of age old secrets. I am not saying Max is no good, or what he teaches doesn't work - I am just questioning why he and others do not just say "Hey, I can teach you some useful things that I have picked up, I can help you if you want, take it or leave it."

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    Do you know what my name means?

     

     

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    "The boy's name Patrick \p(a)-tri-ck, pat-rick\ is pronounced PAT-rik. It is of Latin origin, and its meaning is "patrician, noble". The Latin original, Patricius, was a title. The Romans once were divided socially and politically into plebeians (commoners) and patricians (aristocrats). The famous Saint Patrick, patron of Ireland (fourth and fifth century) whose feast day is on March 17, has given the name its Irish associations. The name spread outside of Ireland in the 18th century. Padric and Padraic are Irish variants; Patric is French; Patricio is Spanish and Portuguese."

     

     

    So maybe your name means 'muddy coloured nobleman' - (I use the term muddy to be polite of course) - and draw no conclusion about your spiritual awareness.

  20. Posted

    Becoming changed by Kunlun or Kundalini Shakti is not really in dispute - but whether your DNA changes is the issue. Has anyone actually proved that this occurs by testing DNA before and after?

     

    I don't have any problem with the idea that practice alters your body at all but if you are going to make scientific claims then you have to substantiate them scientifically.

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    According to Wikipaedia Ultraviolet C is 'germicidal' UV because it can be used to kill bacteria and steralize labs and so on.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet

     

    UV is a certain waveband of electromagnetic radiation (shorter than visible light) it gives us sun tans for instance. I think that anyone who states that this type of radiation can be captured or used in internal chi work is confused about the science.