Apech

Light finds there's no clock

in the Forbidden City.

The hour of the Owl!

 

The hour of the Owl!

Who has the wit to woo her?

Midnight in silence.

Hi Apech.

 

As it turns out, the Higgs mechanism was first proposed as a way for gauge bosons to acquire mass. Before people started talking about Higgs, "acquiring mass" was not an issue, the mass of the particle was already in the equation of motion (f=ma or whatever). The most general equation for a boson has an "m" in it that may or may no be zero. But the equations for gauge bosons require m=0, and are therefore long range forces like electromagnetism. So when physicists wanted to model the nuclear forces, which are short range, as gauge bosons, they had to find a way around this. For the weak force, they "broke" the proposed electroweak gauge symmetry using the Higgs mechanism, so that the part of the symmetry that remained unbroken was precisely the photon's gauge symmetry, and the bosons coming from the broken part of the symmetry "ate" Higgs particles to acquire mass. And indeed the W and Z bosons are observed to have mass.

 

So, in terms of the mathematics, the Higgs mechanism is necessary to explain the mass of bosons carrying the weak force, and not things like electrons. EDIT: I was just reading up on the Higgs mechanism, and this might not be true. The ordinary mass terms for fermions (used in, say, QED) interfere with the required chiral symmetry properties of the electroweak theory, and need to be generated by Higgs. Particle physicist is so confusing...

 

For the strong force, they did something completely different to get around the "long range" problem: the bosons are still massless and the symmetry is unbroken, but quantum effects asymptotically confine the force.

 

Thank you for this ... very interesting ... someone else already put me right on this mass thing. I need to read more ... I feel like a heavy boson myself.

Everything is forms or modalities of energy. But some of these forms have different qualities to others. Some forms i.e. particles called Fermions have mass, while others called Bosons do not. The way in which the Fermions acquire mass is speculated to be by interaction with the Higgs Field. The rule is that every interaction has a particle associated with it. The particle for electromagnetic interaction is the photon ... i.e. light ... which is a Boson i.e. a non mass bearing energy particle. The interaction particle for the Higgs field is the Higgs Boson which is what the Large Hadron Collider is looking for.

 

Whats Einstein e=mc2 demonstrated is that the mass of a particle is just a form of energy.

 

A very kind TB has corrected me by PM thus:

 

 

...the Z and W bosons which mediate the weak force, have mass and in point of fact are relatively massive, their masses being measured in Gevs.

 

I appear to have been talking out of the wrong orifice.

"Who are the top people out there? Holy men, Great teachers, Great healers, Living Saints"

 

I find that question addressed in my posts, but didn't see it in yours. Thus my impression is that you're attempting to derail this post.

 

Perhaps you should make a thread for yourself, where you can alter the question whenever you wish,...it could be called the Schizophrenic Fun thread for useless psycho-babble.

 

Personally, I find that those teachers who say stuff like, "anybody who gives you a belief system is your enemy" to be far more interesting.

 

Oh please don't start squabbling you guys.

 

A) on the 'top people' thing ... my answer would be I don't really care. I am a bit of a mercurial thief and taking good bits from whoever I find. Loving a teacher is good ... if you find genuine love ... but looking for a guru is a complete waste of time and energy.

 

B ) on the belief thing ... my only belief is that I can understand (know or gnow as you choose) ... that it s possible to gain deeper and deeper realisation ... its not so much a belief as a working praxis I suppose ...

How can you claim that an idea/observation called "Dark Matter" has mass?

 

Not the idea but the reality if it exists.

Boom boom;-)

 

"mass-causing" "gravity"? or "mass, causing gravity"?

 

And why bother with a distinction between energy and matter? I thought that one had been done by Einstein? I'm probably getting this very wrong again...

 

Everything is forms or modalities of energy. But some of these forms have different qualities to others. Some forms i.e. particles called Fermions have mass, while others called Bosons do not. The way in which the Fermions acquire mass is speculated to be by interaction with the Higgs Field. The rule is that every interaction has a particle associated with it. The particle for electromagnetic interaction is the photon ... i.e. light ... which is a Boson i.e. a non mass bearing energy particle. The interaction particle for the Higgs field is the Higgs Boson which is what the Large Hadron Collider is looking for.

 

Whats Einstein e=mc2 demonstrated is that the mass of a particle is just a form of energy.

All one can observe from fixated views are the comedy of fixated views,...phenomena desires to sustain phenomena,...beliefs seeking to cling to beliefs. It is why I often say, an experience born of belief can only be experienced through the condition of that belief. Such realization is quite frightening to phenomena or conditions, because neither phenomena nor condition can observe noumena or the unconditional.

 

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How often do you say this? Oh to be a fly on the wall of your living-room.

Lazy as can be...

My reply to this haiku,

seventeen word waste.

 

seventeen word waste,

excrement carefully placed,

is feng shui pooey.

candy from babies

easy as pie, to steal love

stony lonesome time

 

stony lonesome time

future gone, past still to come,

now, there is no now.

In right wing Islamic countries, women are forced to dress in the burka. They have no choice, face serious punishment or death.

 

Sure ... but what if they choose the burka but live in the West ... e.g. I think France has banned its use. In UK such a move was refuted by the Government on the basis that we don't tell people what to wear.

When I saw the OP I immediately thought of this (see image below) and the absurd religious ideology fanatics use as an excuse to oppress women. Even here in the U.S. women's rights are being trampled by right wing religious ideologues with Rush Limbaugh being their flag bearer.

 

To interfere with how a women or anyone chooses to dress, is interfering with that person's right to self expression.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if the woman chooses to dress that way ... what then?

Sorry ... its just the title made me think of this ...

On the Dark Matter idea. Why call it "matter" if you actually don't know what it is?

 

Why does it matter? haha ... its called matter because it has mass causing gravity ... i.e. its not Dark Energy which hasn't and doesn't.

Ok Thanks. Now I see that it becomes active after you post here. I thought maybe I had to do some special meditation for a year or something.

 

I think there is a lot to learn here.

 

You could still do special meditation for a year if you like ...

Do you mean you want your own? or just you want to be able to access them. You should be able to access them now you have posted in the lobby.

Steaven Seagal keeps guns and dogs in his house - and he is a Buddhist.

 

He's Under Seige, Hard to Kill and Out for Justice.

Yes, two different things one should not mistake for the other.

I wonder what happened to Mozza. I found a forum sort of dedicated to Mozza-like values yesterday. It was pretty weird. Lots of sensitive people talking about introversion. Very 'yin' kind of vibe.

 

Shoe gazing no doubt. And on the subject of EM - electromagnetism and the like ... apparently it is said that there is a light that never goes out.

 

"science, however empirical it is, has a paradigm of reality"

 

Hum, I didn't think it was supposed to have one (a paradigm of reality). I thought what it did (or was supposed to do) was explore paradigms (through hypotheses) and change them accordingly.

 

Ah well, another ideal falls by the wayside. I suppose I'll just go listen to a Morrissey album now.

 

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Yes ... supposed to and has are two different things IMO.

 

Everyday is like Sunday ... not sure if this is relevant but you did mention Mozza.

I think the problem with science and Qi is that science, however empirical it is, has a paradigm of reality which automatically rejects certain ways of seeing the world. It presupposes a kind of dead mechanism for everything. The inclusion of sentience/consciousness as anything other than an epi-phenomenon is a no-no form the start.

Findley,

 

yes I get that ... thick space with gravitational pull but no mass. Interesting. Thick space and thin space ... I like it. Will think about it some more.

 

A.

Hello and welcome. Enjoy your stay.

 

 

 

Its a well known medical fact that sleeping next to a radiator makes your head go pointy.

can't find the church key

under grey skies, an old oak

lets me know I'm ok

 

lets me know I'm ok

hanging by my fingernails

and clutching at straws.

I eat meat ... but a lot of fish and chicken ... I read this:

 

Red meat and health

 

... no conclusion just some information.