Apech

He who knows the male yet sustains the female will be a river valley for all under heaven.

TTC Section 28 trans. R.J. Lynn

Im part Kuri (Aboriginal), and where my ancestor is buried lays a HUGE EMU EGG at his burial site!

Fantastic!

I think its always amazing to think how much the ancients in all cultures knew about the stars and the solar system. They seem to have recorded and watched the sky for huge periods of time which mean some kind of (probably oral) transmission of knowledge and a comprehension of the universe which we can only guess at. We were so wise ... shame we lost most of it. Maybe its time to return? A kind of renaissance based on regaining their spiritual knowledge?

"An egg-shaped ring of standing stones in Australia could prove to be older than Britain's Stonehenge - and it may show that ancient Aboriginal cultures had a deep understanding of the movements of the stars.

Fifty metres wide and containing more than 100 basalt boulders, the site of Wurdi Youang in Victoria was noted by European settlers two centuries ago, and charted by archaeologists in 1977, but only now is its purpose being rediscovered.

It is thought the site was built by the Wadda Wurrung people - the traditional inhabitants of the area. All understanding of the rocks' significance was lost, however, when traditional language and practices were banned at the beginning of the 20th Century."

BBC website

 

 

I've looked at the canopic Jars but they seem to be a private Pharao 4. Dyn. invention.

With respect Lienshan, the historical record from the Old Kingdom in terms of artifacts is very patchy. There is no way that an obscure Dyn 4 queen 'invented' the idea even though hers may be the first chest that has been found. The Sons of Horus are an integral part of the Egyptian system which was remarkably consistent over thousands of years (although the style of expression did change of course).

Thanks Steve,

I love my MacBook.

This is a very real effect to do with your interactions with the world/people and levels of assimilation. There will be emotional content to these conversations which is to do with energy stored in your being as a result of interactions. Don't identify but observe and allow the energy to be recaptured for your own benefit.

Although many would discard it out-of-hand because of cultural predispositons, every sentence above, in my opinion, is worthy of serious consideration.

I can't find the Vortex quote - although I haven't looked that hard ... maybe he has edited it already. I hope so. I don't accept it's misogynist sounding tone.

Another interesting statistic...

 

90% of women believe in astrology

 

90% of men do not believe in astrology

Does this mean that 10% of men could get together with 90% of women on the basis of their star signs?

Whereas the other 90% of men have to pick from the 10% left over?

Perhaps I have misunderstood your point. I'm an Aquarian and misunderstand most things.

Yes,...isn't that interesting! We need more New Testament stuff.

 

"For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does..." 1Corinthians 7:4

 

"For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman but woman for man." 1 Corinthians, 11:8

 

Origen: "What is seen with the eyes of the creator is masculine and not feminine, for God does not stoop to look upon what is feminine and of the flesh."

 

Tertullian: Woman "you are the devil's gateway, you are the first deserter of the divine law, you destroyed so easily God's image: man."

 

Cyril of Alexandria wrote of why Mary Magdalene did not recognize Jesus when she first saw him after the resurrection: "Somehow the woman or rather the female sex as a whole is slow in comprehension."

 

John Chrysostom: "What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an inescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, a domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil nature, painted with fair colors?"

 

Augustine: "I don't see what sort of help woman was created to provide man, if one excludes procreation. If the woman is not given to man to bear children, for what help could she be? And also, "For woman is not the image of God. Man alone is the image of God."

 

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent" Timothy 2:11

 

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. Matt 11:20-24

 

Jesus curses a fig tree, killing it immediately thereby showing the world how much God Hates Figs. Matt 21:18-20

 

Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." Matt 25:41

 

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) Mark 7:9-13

 

Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." Mark 12:46-47

 

Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. Mark 15:6

 

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:26).

 

V

Yikes! Maybe you are right. I've never really been a Christian ... though raised in a Christian country (sort of) ... I was just thinking of sermon on the mount and the way jesus dealt with the woman 'taken in adultery' ... but its not my thing really so I will bow to your greater Biblical knowledge.

I used to have a red letter bible where you can read just the words of Jesus himself ... most of what he says is 'judge not lest ye be judged' kind of stuff ... but there I go again eh?

It has always struck me as odd how those calling themselves Fundamentalist Christians love to quote the Old Testament and more or less ignore the New. Its so easy to label and condemn people instead of forgive. Jesus always seemed to find an answer to these questions which did not involve damning people but actually saved them. Often people just do what they have to do in the circumstances given.

On the last two/three lines Wang Bi adds commentary:

If a tree is stiff, it will be attacked,

It will be imposed on by creatures

The stiff [strong] and great occupy a position below.

This refers to the trunk of the tree.

The soft and pliant occupy a position above.

This refers to the branches.

Taoist shamanism is at least earlier than 6000 BC according to the exavacations in Jiahu:

 

More graves contained shamans without skulls but with a circle of eight tortoise shells instead of the head.

 

 

I was taking my date from Eva Wong "Shambhala guide to Taoism" Ch. 1 Shamanic Origins (3000 - 800 BC) ... you could trace pre-Dynastic Egypt back to even earlier (by many thousands of years) ... but I was talking about when they wrote things down or attributed themselves to earlier times.

I have been thinking about another eight fold arrangement of alternating gods and goddesses as found in the Canopic Jar Chest:

the figures facing each other are the Sons of Horus and on the corners if you look closely you can see the protecting goddesses (the one closest is Neith). The male figures are jars containing the main organs of the body and are associated with the cardinal points. The whole forms a kind of mandala of alternating male and female energies. This pic is of Tutankhamun's Canopic Jar Chest.

The Sons of Horus are sometimes related to the Pillars of Shu which in turn are sometimes called the Heh gods which originate with the Ogdoad. So maybe we have two arrangements which are the earlier primeval Ogdoad >>>> later Canopic Jar Chest ... its tempting to think Earlier and Later heaven (?).

The traditional standard orientation from Egypt is from the perspective of standing (or lying backward) facing south. So that East is on your left and West on your right. In fact the words for East and West were the same as those for left and right (iabet and amenet).

I think I am right in saying that the earliest Taoist shamanism and the earliest Dynastic Egypt are contemporaneous (i.e. 3000 BC +/- a few hundred years). Any similarity -- and there is a lot not just the Ogdoad can be explained by postulating a common source which is the shamanism practiced by all peoples spreading out of Africa after the last ice age ... or if you prefer remembered knowledge from an older civilization now lost to us.

Religious leaders get to wear colourful frocks and strange hats while scientists just have white coats. If they meet we all know who will look the more interesting. No competition really.

Sometimes I can't decide which country is worse.. China or the US..

 

There are a lot of sick people in both China and the US

 

Seriously, I hope these two countries destroy each other soon..

Is wishing the death an destruction of hundreds of millions (or billions) of people a good position for a spiritual person?

That's a good example of what I was saying because Shu and Tefnut are the first born of Atum in the Heliopolitan Ennead and Nun and Nunet are from the Ogdoad ... they are used together ... and this is the very earliest writing.

Your idea of comparing this to the Bagua is interesting and I hope you explore it further.

I was surprized, when reading your post, but then found this 'papyrii from Dyn' quote:

 

"... that breath of life which emerged from the throat of the Benu bird,

the son of Re in whom Atum appeared in the primeval naught, infinity, darkness and nowhere."

 

Nun is in the Ennead cosmogony equal to the primeval naught, infinity, darkness and nowhere.

That'll say Nun is one with four 'characteristics'.

 

Nun is in the Ogdoad cosmogony together with Naunet one of four 'elements' as the four above.

That'll say Nun is one of eight; together with Naunet one out four 'elements'.

 

'characteristics' versus 'elements' seem to be the difference between the two cosmogonies?

 

 

Isn't Thoth a later addition to the original Ogdoad cosmogony?

The primeval waters are called Nun in the Heliopolitan cosmology. The name is spelled using the wavy/ zig zag line which is the sign for water and sometimes with pots indicating containers of water. So the name Nun refers to this water. In the Ogdoad it is a term used for the wateriness or fluidity of the infinite pre-creational state. In essence its the same term used in two slightly different but related ways.

The reason I said that I didn't think the two cosmologies were rivals is because if you read the Pyramid texts (the oldest extended religious writings from Dyn. 5) you find both the Ennead and the Ogdoad used side by side with no conflict. The Egyptians were very both/and and not either/or in their thinking.

I'm not sure when Thoth because central to Khmun ... but Thoth is a very ancient deity with references going back into pre-dynastic times. Obviously the name City of Eight suggests that the original cult related to the Ogdoad but this does not rule out Thoth as well ... in the same way as above ... its a matter of complementarity.

There is a relation between what you might call the Thothian view of reality and the Ogdoad. Just as there is between Ra and the Ennead. The Egyptians would have accepted both.

They even had more than one ultimate creator god ... without conflict ... in what is termed henotheism or sometimes monlatry (by Egyptologists). For instance Amen who originally was one of the Ogdoad in later times became 'top god' Amen Ra ... that is the hidden power behind the sun.

Steve,

If she's not wearing a cowboy hat Marblehead won't be interested ....

I'm glad you are enjoying the Portugese music.

 

 

I'm glad that you are glad ... but she's from Cap Verde so technically its African music ...

The body of RA is 'physical /literal -incarnation (of protein)

established from the form codon to first triad -to the 64th.

codon is the gold trine blue to red (fuschia) then (?)\\

 

BA carries the KA. BA is a Vestale (triangle) -formless that brings form - form that is formless

 

birth is triune -the Ka is in the deep water:

 

Benu's feet are in the black mud

 

Siva is triune

The body of Ra is the 'itn' or aten disk. (not to be confused with Aten the god worshiped by Akhenaten).

Sorry but I can't follow the rest of what you say ... its a bit cryptic ... could you elaborate a little? Thanks.

Yum!❤

 

 

hahahaa!!❤ Osiris know better than to complain like that… It's just her script!!

 

Reminds me of Laotzu's admonition to plant the useless tree in the vast plain of Nothing Whatsoever, roaming in effortlessness by its side and sleeping in freedom beneath it.

Osiris N is you and me .... an individual person not the god Osiris.

The Egyptians had a word for this state of being (in the void) and that was 'wn' ... Osiris was called Wn-n-nfr (Wenenefer or sometimes Onophris) which means 'continually good/beautiful being'.

The other state of being where you evolve and become something is 'kheper'.