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  2. Posted

    7 minutes ago, snowymountains said:

     

    Are Afghan/Kashmirian/Parthian/Chinese origins backed by historical research? This is interesting, if you have the time, could you please give pointers as to who has done this research?


    I don’t have references to hand I’m afraid.

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  3. Posted · Edited by Apech

    1 hour ago, tao.te.kat said:

    BTW, the Kagyu official lineage puts Naropa just before Marpa (thought it names also Maitripa).

     

    That's the info I had, but anyway is not that important:

     

    https://kagyuoffice.org/kagyu-lineage/


    Marpa held two lineages the direct and the indirect - the first from Naropa and the second from Maitripa.  The Mahamudra lineage was the second.

     

    But of course this was in the tenth century AD and is not relevant to the true origins of either Mahamudra or Dzogchen.  The true origins are connected to the kingdoms in the area of the Kashmir and Afghanistan which were in turn connected to the silk route and kingdoms such as Parthia and so on and of course China itself.  This is the route along which both goods and knowledge were transmitted. 

  4. Posted

    14 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said:

    no;) not recorded there

    http://www.shixiu.net/dujing/daojiaojingdian/1019.html

    the term's history:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#Terminology

    maybe he should, but he wonders what good will possibly come out of it?

    I am a chosen one. Yet i am a total loser in all other respects, so i dont have any illusions of grandeur. My gift is not bankable. Its more of a curse actually.


    Thanks so Song Dyn for widespread use of term for a set of practices- is this what you mean by a modern invention?

  5. Posted

    23 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said:

    Neidan is a made-up western word which means  1) the teaching of  alchemy, 2) the practice of  alchemy 3)  the product of  alchemy  (the  elixir).

    These are 3 different things yet the westerners  lump  all 3 of them into one fake term

    The westerners made up this  fake  term in order to delude themselves that they can  A) understand  the alchemy, B ) practice  the alchemy C) teach the alchemy - without ever D) producing the elixir.

     

    To answer your question:

    NO. For normal people, with or without a teacher, it is not possible. 

    YES . For a particularly gifted, 1-in-a-billion person, it is possible .

    This exceptional book explains " LDT meditation technique" for  virtue, health, power and wisdom in complete detail.

    Who could  get these results from this book will be able to advance to neidan. 


    isn’t the term neidan  used in the cantong qi (sp?)

  6. Posted

    1 hour ago, tao.te.kat said:

    >My current view for what it is worth is that Dzogchen and Mahamudra derive from Zouwang.

     

    Meditation similar to Zouwang and others existed in India too even before Buddha. Jhanas were taught to Buddha by hinduists the VI century BC (in India-Nepal)

     

    So it's hard to tell. But meditation existed way before Buddhism and probably Daoism. And in Cnina and India. Both places. India for sure.

     

    On respect Dzogchen there's some debate, but Mahamudra origins are clearly from Indian Siddhas Tilopa and then Naropa. Marpa the translator came next and was the first tibetan to receive the teachings, then came the famous Milarepa. And his disciple, Gampopa build the foundations of what now we know as Mahamudra. The lineage here is quite clear and documented and comes from India.

     

    So for Mahamudra derivate from Zouwang it has to have come first to India and be adopted by the great siddhas of the time. Not impossible, but strange.

     

    Dzogchen origins are less clear. They revert to Padmasambhava, also indian (VIII century) that went to Tíbet but his life is quite a legendary one. And there's some suspicion that some Chan/Zen influences may be there from the time Moheyan (chinese Chan monk) went to Tíbet on the VIII century. From this time on, there's, no doubt some chinese influence in tibetan buddhism but the indian one is a lot more clear.


    Apart from anything else Marpa obtained the Mahamudra lineage from Maitripa and not Naropa.

     

    Zouwang is first mentioned in zhuangzi and is probably much older thus pre- dating the Buddha.

  7. Posted

    4 hours ago, Mark Foote said:



    If you made that up, can you tell me what sherry you are drinking these days, please (I quite like it)?


    I did but it did take a fairly large amount of alentejo red wine.

  14. Posted

    2 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

     

    Most people here give themselves high-sounding aspirational names like Mysterious Sharon or Waterfall of Reckless Beauty.  Ya gotta wonder about a person who surveys the infinite variety of the English language and then dubs themselves surrogate corpse.


    I, being I in this clouded world,

    Am drawn by base desire and some malevolent duty,

    To thrust my naked self into the Waterfall,

    Deluged there by reckless beauty,

    Submerged in sandy shores and,

    Named Sharon mysteriously,

    Washed up on distant shores,

    Not dead but yet a surrogate corpse,

    The body of an unborn kind,

    Transmigrated from this world to the next,

    Timeless and yet waiting,

    For the late night bus.

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  16. Posted

    43 minutes ago, surrogate corpse said:

    @Apech torn between giving a serious answer to that (what is our status in society? from whose perspective are we deemed "malevolent"?) and gently chiding that i'm just trying to compliment a gal for looking good in a photo and it really shouldn't be taken too seriously, and as a compromise you get this halfway house of a post

     

    @Maddie 👁️

     


    could you give me the serious answer about malevolence?  I don’t really get it. Thanks.

  17. Posted

    3 minutes ago, surrogate corpse said:

    it means just what it says really, there's an innocence to it that's a bit sinister, like you're luring someone in only to steal their soul once they get close

     

    (cannot stress enough that this is a good thing. being vaguely malevolent spirits is our birthright)


    wot? Why the malevolence?

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  19. Posted · Edited by Apech

    14 minutes ago, forestofemptiness said:

     

    Why is that? Genuinely curious. 


    it is part of a general theory of mine which is that the Chinese influence on Tibetan Buddhism has been downplayed - also having read Olivia Kohn’s ‘ sitting in oblivion’ there is a strong Daoist/ Buddhist crossover which I think works both ways.

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  22. Posted

    1 hour ago, stirling said:

     

    Strange but true, the author is actually a well-educated student of Lama Zopa Rinpoche, a highly respected Tibetan teacher, and has been since the early 70's.  I studied with both Landaw and Rinpoche in the early 2000's for a few years. Both know what they are talking about. :)

     

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    I was only teasing - I’m sure it’s great.

  25. Posted

    10 minutes ago, Maddie said:

     

    Well aren't you Mr observant? LOL 🤣. The reason that's on my table is because that's a stack of books I'm going to bring to the half Price bookstore to trade in. Although it was really helpful at the very beginning of my exploration into Buddhism.

     

    oh cope, cope, cope!!!!

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