Apech

Thanks for the question Vortex. The ankh as most people know means 'life'. It was used as a noun and a verb form. So the meaning is clear. All hieroglyph signs are representational ...i.e. they depict actual things but no-one knows exactly what the ankh was. There are many theories ... a sandal strap was one almost certainly wrong, also a bulls vertebrae and spinal column in cross section (like a T bone steak ) another. Actually it is a composite sign which your bottom pic ... the green stone amulet gives the clue ... this shows not the ankh but the 'sa' symbol of protection which like the 'tyet' knot of Isis is a female symbol (vagina or womb) and the 'djed' pillar which is the backbone/phallus of Osiris ... put these two together and you get male and female sexual inter-function. So life is exactly this ... the spark of sexual chemistry if you like or the interplay between yin and yang. The ankh shown as being poured like water in oblations (sexual oil or fluids) and being presented to the nose .... the breath of life. Most gods are shown holding ankhs in one hand and the was staff in the other which means they derive their power from this energy and from control. Here is a quote from touregypt website which shows the tourist guides are on the right track:

Wadjet means literally "Green One" and is the name of the cobra goddess of Buto (Edjo) in the Egyptian delta. She is shown as a reared up cobra on the forehead of the king. Green to Egyptians meant 'fresh, healthy, sound' and so she is the Eye of Horus when Thoth healed/restored it after it had been injured in Horus' fight with Set. Obvious comparison to kundalini and the restoration of wholeness of being + vision of the true nature of Self ... however you want to put it.

yes the ka is sort of like qi but seen as a kind of body ... like an etheric body or a vitality body ... Ayahuasca is not something I know much about but I did watch some vids of Graham Hancock on youtube where he says that the common shamanic visions in all cultures are geometric patterns, humans with animal heads and serpents. These are all features of Egyptian imagery and as is obvious as far as I am concerned that the Egyptians were practicing shamanism ... the serpents like Neheb-kau and also Mehen ('the coiled one') fall into the category of the spirits, souls or intelligences contacted in the 'other world' which the Egyptians called the Duat (Star realm).

Thanks ... but I keep going back to that site now ... I think I'm addicted to reading about my addiction ... is there another site for that?

BBC website science article .... maybe some kind of 2012 related thing ??????

This is from the upper register of the 11th Hour of the Amduat and although the serpent is unnamed it is Neheb-kau and the figure standing between the wings is Atum. The name 'Neheb-kau' means the 'he who unites/allots the ka-energy' ... a reference to the continuum of power which generates and links together the vibrational manifestations of power (Atum = 'the complete one' ... i.e. the whole field of power itself). The two eyes are the two eyes of Horus which have been reunited at this stage (11th hour i.e. just before dawn) ... on Atum's head is the sun disk .... the sun rises in the 12th hour but is formed (ie.e. given shape in the akhet = eastern horizon just before it appears.

The Egyptian Set was not really evil= Satan but an equal/opposite force to Horus ... In the early period the kings would take Horus and/or Set as their deity ... and their was the great New Kingdom king Seti I ... ... but Set did kill Osiris ... so thus he was held in contempt in some periods. Maybe Satan is more like Apophis ... the serpent who opposes the Sun. But I think that Satan is actually a creation of the Christian Church and a distortion of old pagan gods.

Heard on the news that she has just died ... so posting this in her memory ....

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....(lots of a) h. That's not your little pony.

The black hole will eat the unbelievers.

Is your finger stuck to your keyboard?

You just had to post.

I would too.

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I think that just as most churches are built on old pagan sites so too the jesus story has incorporated a lot of pagan myths. For instance his 'birthdate' of 25th december is the old Roman festival of Saturnalia ... Saturn being the 'Lord of Misrule'. Whether or not this means that there was no historical Jesus is not the same thing of course. It is true that if you look at a lot of Jewish and Christian mysticism then you can trace roots back to the older cultures of Egypt and Sumeria. For instance Genesis is a watered down version of the Heliopolitan creation myth ... I think the Tree of Life from Kabbalah shows some Egyptian influence as does western alchemy and hermeticism generally. So there is a lot of stuff in the mix ... also the theology of people like Thomas Aquinas and St. Anslem is largely rehashed Greek Platonism or Neo-Platonism ... so the idea that Christianity is all new and unique is completely wrong. I cannot offer any evidence but my feeling/intuition is that there was a historical Jesus ... what he was actually like is of course shrouded in the huge edifice of the Church(s) and all the baggage of 2000 years of history.

OK I don't mean this in an aggressive way but I have studied Ancient Egypt for several decades and I do have access to many source texts (many of which are easily available in translation if you google) and I can say that this idea of Horus=Christ is completely bogus. For instance from your first link ... There is no tradition that Isis (the mother of Horus) was a virgin. There is no link between the birth of Horus and 25th December and there were no three kings. Horus was not baptised and if anyone was beheaded it was his mother Isis who was beheaded by Horus who replaced her head by a that of a cow. Horus was not crucified .... and he did not resurrect. The work of Gerald Massey has been completely discredited ... and only lives on in the minds of those who like to post nonsense on the internet. The only real cultural link between Horus and Christ is that there is a similarity between the statues of Isis and the child horus and the representations of Mary and the baby Jesus ... so it is entirely possible that the Christian artists used the iconography of Ancient Egypt. Horus (Hr ... ) means either 'he who is distant' or 'he who is above' and this refers to his original nature as a sky god. Later he was thought of as the son of Osiris and his main role int hat respect was to fight Osiris' brother Set (who had murdered him) for the throne of Egypt ... the battle lasted eighty years and Horus was eventually victorious .... the Egyptian kings saw them selves as incarnations of Horus. In childhood the baby Horus was injured by a scorpion bite and was cured by Isis and Serqet (the scorpion goddess). During the fight with Set his eye was injured and had to be later restored by Thoth the god of wisdom and healing. It is these events which is probably what Massey thought of as resurrection but if anyone was brought back from the dead it was Osiris his father and not Horus. Many Egyptologists are desperate to find links in Ancient Egypt to the Bible and Judeo-Chrstian thought ... but they are not there .... the Egyptian religion was quite different.

Stunning ... thanks for posting.

There is no story from Ancient Egypt which involves Horus and is comparable with Jesus. Perhaps if you would like to list the events or actions which you think are the same and I will be able to demonstrate that they are not. Or perhaps you can show where you got this idea from ... and which 'historical analysis' you mean.

Best wishes Aaron ... you have added a lot to this forum and hope you will find a way to stick around. Prayers and thoughts for a lucky break for you ... A.

Clearly that's who I am now.

Horus was not resurrected. Mithras was clearly a deity. 25 th Dec was Saturnalia i.e. a few days past the winter solstice - taken over by the church as jesus' birth date. I am not a Christian by the way.

I've forgotten who I am. Welcome back.

Right ... so you are trying to say Santa doesn't exist now! No presents for you this year! PS. Just for the record I think there was a historical Jesus. The reasons for the resonances with ancient teachings (e.g. Egypt) could be that he fulfilled them ... as in fulfilled the 'law'. Obviously you have to wade through the censorship of the catholic church and a lot of wishful thinking by believers to get at the truth.

Well I don't mind being told off ... but I said 'it' seemed ark and spacy ... i.e. the sadhana = 'arising in the form of emptiness'. I didn't say he was .... but I take your point ... and would like to see more if there is any ... but maybe wishing for more is like a Streetcar Named Desire and I'm wishing for the comfort of strangers. (lol).