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Can you explain this a little further, as in the Baliao Points, The actual sacral structure, or the mingmen? I'm really curious about this and this works exactly. Would the entity embed ethereal cords there?

I would agree with that as well, I think person specific love spells have a propensity of backfiring to be honest. Just out of curiosity, did you join the army prior to holding a belief of non violence? I know "the army" is vast and you can have non-infantry jobs like Materials Technician where likelihood of seeing combat is pretty slim. This must have been a very difficult time of self reflection for you. What I find particularly interesting is that, assuming that you're Muslim, or have a Muslim cultural background. Do you pray to both Allah yet do puja or Nama japa to other deities as well? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. Wouldn't being under the protection of Allah's egregore be enough in that regard, could issues not arise from mixing energetic protections? I'm especially interested in how goddess worship fits into that specifically, I think I need to expand my perspective on this matter. To me and my limited knowledge of Islam, they don't appear to be compatible with each other, however I fully acknowledge pre-islamic goddess worship in the Middle East and North Africa. I would (respectfully) appreciate hearing your view on this. I feel that perhaps publicly acknowledgment of the divine feminine might be suppressed in various islamic sects, but is possibly revered in some form that Westerners aren't made aware of. We often painted this "picture" of Islam here in the west and forget about the many scientific, esoteric, artistic contributions Islam has made to the world. Just wondering your 2 cents on all that Lastly, the spicy stuff....Thoughts on Ahmad al-Buni and the Shams al-Ma'arif and other works dealing with what some have called "sorcery." A lot of Western style magic and fiction writing (HP Lovecraft) has been influenced by his work and works credited to al-Buni.

Nice write up, thanks for sharing it. What are your thoughts on what black magic actually is? It seems like most magic of antiquity like in the PGM (as an example) could be considered black magic- Love spells, or any magic that alters/influences the mind of another person, bind/harms another, etc. I find a lot of Arabic magic fascinating, maybe dangerous and overwhelming to delve into. Fun to read about, yet possibly burdened with a lot karmic backlash. What are thoughts?

Firstly, I'm sorry Lois for hijacking your thread, but I did use some machine Learning which is in line with the thread's theme Yeah, Australian Aboriginal connection is too easy. How about Hebrew, Qabalah, Egyptian and Thelema? I cheated and had to draw from many paradigms to get a proper overview of the themes. This name Nungali represents a conceptual warp and weft; strings woven together that emerges into a great fabric of creation = You and your active effort in recreation/rebirth. What’s in a name? This exercise lead me all over the place. Finally, I decided to stick to the basics, Machine Learning helped me flesh out the ideas quite a bit, but Robert Wang’s The Qabalistic Tarot calmed my brain as I read through the passages solidifying my theory. Hebrew The Pyramid Texts (profile quote) Your profile picture Qabalistic tarot Meaning: גּלי נוּן (Gali Nun) Gali Nun (גלי נון) is a combination of two Hebrew words, whose meaning depends on context. The phrase is not standard Hebrew, so its interpretation arises from the individual words: Gali (גלי): Literally: “my wave” or “wave of mine.” Biblically: In the Book of Isaiah, it can appear as a command meaning “uncover” or “reveal” from the root verb galah (גָּלָה) Nun (נון): The Hebrew letter Nun (נ) carries multiple symbolic and linguistic meanings: Fish: In Aramaic, nun means fish, symbolizing fertility, multiplication, and life. Continuity: In Ancient Hebrew, the letter’s pictograph resembles a sprouting seed, representing posterity and the continuation of life. As a noun, Nun means seed. Faithfulness & Humility: In Kabbalah and Hebrew spiritual tradition, Nun symbolizes faithfulness (ne’eman) and the humility of the soul. Therefore, “Gali Nun” could be interpreted in several ways: “My wave of fish” “My wave of continuity” “The revealing of the abyss or void” (personal insight) …bread crumbs, I’m going with Nun as fish and the symbology therein…. Deeper Symbolism: Nun The most illuminating insights to me personally came from exploring Nun in the esoteric traditions through the quote on your profile and the image of your profile picture: Quote: “The serpent which came forth from the earth has risen; the flame which came forth from Nun is fallen.” https://www.ganino.com/anteanus/pyramid_texts?utm_source=chatgpt.com (Utterance 237b) In the Egyptian context, Nun represents the chaotic primordial waters, subconscious and latent potential (Prima Materia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_(mythology) Summary: Primordial Waters: Nun is the infinite, dark, formless water that existed before creation, Prima Materia. In the Pyramid Texts, kings are said to arise from Nun, echoing the first act of creation. Source of Renewal: Nun is the eternal reservoir from which life, gods, and rebirth continually emerge. Support of the Sun & Sky: Nun lifts the sun god (Ra) into the sky, paralleling the elevation of the king or soul. Watery Abyss & Danger: Nun represents the abyss, the unknown, into which the unprepared can sink. Cosmic Contrast: Nun contrasts with ordered creation (maat); resurrection requires passing through the inertia of Nun (latent potential). Path Working via The Qabalistic Tarot: The Path of NUN Death (XIII) The Thirteenth Key, (14th Tree Path) Qabalistic tradition, connecting the spheres: image: https://ann.skea.com/Death.htm Tiphareth (6) (Beauty, Harmony, Higher Self, Air) Netzach (7) (Victory, Desire, Emotional Drive, Instincts, Creative drive, Fire) Attributes: Letter: Nun (נ) Tarot: Death (XIII) Meaning: Fish, First Matter (Prima materia) Themes: Transformation, rebirth, fertility Sign: Scorpio (Water element) Esoteric Title: The Child of the Great Transformers; The Lord of the Gate of Death Symbolism: Death & Transformation: Nun represents dissolution and rebirth, the hidden depths of the subconscious. Scorpio’s Depths: Confronting deep instincts and passions, aligning them with higher harmony. Waters of Nun: Entering the abyss to be dissolved, purified, and reborn. Initiatory Death: Old identities must be surrendered to integrate desire and ego with higher purpose. The Power of 7: The path of Nun is powerfully connected to the number 7, which relates to the sphere of Netzach and the planet Venus/Aphrodite. The Qabalistic number of the path is 14 (7+7), suggesting that the powers of Venus are doubly potent here. Interesting note is that Nungali posted his question at 7:07pm (my time), which in my hyper-focused state was another clue for me to follow. *Crowley notes in discussing the fish, meaning of Nun, he says: “This symbol resumes the whole Secret Doctrine” (Book of Thoth, 100, note 1). Which is a nod to both Blavatsky and the Ouroboros, which here is represented by endless cyclic renewal with the fish biting the serpents tail. Far right image below. image: https://www.esotericmeanings.com/thoth-death-tarot-card-tutorial/ Your profile pic is reminiscent of the Death tarot card, complete with a skull and scythe, possible imagery of fire serpent power above and primordial(ish) waters below. As we see in the examples above - only in the Thoth deck do we see the fish and the scorpion (and Eagle). Reading the quote through the lens of Qabalah: The Serpent Rising (Earth): The serpent represents earthly energy or life-force (Netzach/instincts) rising from matter toward spirit. The Flame Falling (Nun): The flame, or divine spark, descends into the abyss, dissolving into formless potential. Encoding in the name: Nun = abyss, waters of dissolution and rebirth Gali = wave, revelation Thus, Nungali represents: The revelation of the abyss through the wave of transformation. The cycle of manifestation and return, where life-force and divine spark exchange places in the waters of Nun. My final conclusion: The name Nungali symbolizes wave-like transformational processes delving deep into the abyss of the psyche utilizing ritual, magic or inner alchemy to dissolve various attachments of the ego; revealing the true Higher Self that is unbound, infinite, and reborn. The name Nungali transcends literal Hebrew grammar, pulling meaning from multiple esoteric paradigms, which is why I couldn’t follow your instructions exactly. The name reflects dedication to inner transformation and spiritual growth. It illustrates the cycle of life, death, and revelation. The very essence of the Great Work and why many of us are “here.”

Just by the very act you asking me, is very revealing! If I recall correctly his wife holds a lineage, I'm not sure which lineage though. I think he has spoken to and studied under learned people, but does he hold a legit transmission, from a "legit" source? What makes something legitimate or not? His style is more shamanistic using heterodox formats, "folk-Daoist" concepts and his lineage has "their own alchemy." Just by the contents of this thread, especially what you have shared, I'm going to say you already know the answer and that answer is related to your own intuition/experiences. Would I throw the baby out with the bath water? Not completely, he has a lot of knowledge and is clearly passionate about transcribing and sharing what he has learned. Would I tread carefully? 100% Yes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8h9A_n4E6E&t=757s Jason explains his lineage in the link provided above, starting around the 20 min mark, but I recommend the entire interview, it gets really interesting around the 46 min mark, talking about entity work, how they can be draining, resulting in obsession, etc. Towards the end of the interview he states most of what he teaches doesn't require a transmission and that lineages go beyond "time and space," drawing from reservoirs of energy and spirits that are 1000's of years old. He is hooked up to something, but just because something is old doesn't necessarily make it beneficial or useful.

The McGill Big 3 is the standard. Core stability will enhance overall quality of life, especially in later years and if you have a sedentary life or desk job. Weak glutes also play a huge roll in back pain and poor posture. Glute activation techniques will build a proper foundation for later more complex movements such as using a rack or even basic weight free squats. if you lift with constant pain, there is an issue, start at the root cause. Re-learn form and learn what it feels like to actually activate your glutes. Dr. Stuart McGill is a world renowned specialist spine biochemist: https://uwaterloo.ca/kinesiology-health-sciences/people-profiles/stuart-mcgill Squat University (above) is also a fantastic home guide, but does not replace seeing a physio therapist in person for an assessment. In this video he is demonstrating the "Big 3" Pay attention to form/techique, follow through with movement, etc. Mind muscles connection is also key. Activate those glutes!

This 100%. Let it dissolve into forgiveness and loving kindness.

Almost, not quite though. Hebrew is read right to left.. Had to put my thinking cap on for this one. אִישׁ לֹא (Ish Lo') "No One" I had some help with machine learning as well, but I thought Lo-Is, or Lo-Ish (later thought) didn't quite make sense...So I flipped it. summary of my train of though as feed through machine learning: me: how could the name Lois, be a play on terms in Hebrew? ChatGPT said: Good question — and a bit of a tricky one, since Lois (Λωΐς) is a Greek name that appears in the New Testament (2 Timothy 1:5, grandmother of Timothy), not originally Hebrew. But if you wanted to create a play on terms in Hebrewwith "Lois," there are a few routes we could explore: 1. Breaking it into Hebrew syllables / words לוֹ (Lo) = “no, not.” אִישׁ (Ish) = “man.” Together → לוֹ־אִישׁ (Lo-Ish) could sound like Lois, and mean “Not a man.” This would be a very Tanakh-style wordplay (since Hosea, Isaiah, etc. often use Lo- prefixes, e.g., Lo-Ammi = “not my people”). So Lois could be a pun for “Lo-Ish” → “She is not a man” (i.e. a woman, or a female archetype). 2. Using similar-sounding Hebrew roots לוי (Levi) – The tribe of Levi, priests. Lois could be a softened form. לוֹאֵשׁ (Lo-esh) – “no fire” or “without fire.” לוֹאֹס (Lo-’os) – from the root אָסַס / אָשַׂס, to trample, to despise → “not despised.” 3. Midrashic-style inversion If we treat Lois as לוֹאִישׁ (Lo-Ish) → "not-man," then by inversion it could also hint at Isha (אִשָּׁה, woman). So Lois would be a hidden pointer to Eve / primordial Woman. 4. Numerical play (gematria) If transliterated as לוֹיִס (Lamed-Vav-Yod-Samekh): ל = 30 ו = 6 י = 10 ס = 60 Total = 106, which shares values with words like נון (Nun, “fish / sprouting”). So depending on the intent, Lois could be: “Not a man” (Lo-Ish) — very direct pun. A feminized echo of Levi. Without fire (Lo-esh), suggesting water or coolness. A symbolic code for Woman / Eve / Shakti in Hebrew wordplay. 👉 Do you want me to make you a short mystical interpretation of “Lois” in the style of midrash (like how rabbis would play with it), or more of a linguistic breakdown? You said: me: what about if it's a man using it? ChatGPT said: That’s a fascinating twist. If a man were to take on the name Lois and try to play it into Hebrew meaning, the pun would shift tone quite a bit. Let’s explore: 1. Lo-Ish (לֹא־אִישׁ = Not a man) If a man uses it, the irony is sharp: he’s calling himself “not a man.” This could be interpreted mystically as humility (“I am no man, but dust and spirit”), or as an identity beyond gender (“not confined to being a man”). In a kabbalistic sense, it might hint at Androgyny / Adam Kadmon — the primordial being who contained both male and female. 2. Lo-Ish as Prophetic Style In the Bible, names with Lo- are often symbolic (Hosea’s children: Lo-Ammi, Lo-Ruchamah). If a man bore the pun-name Lo-Ish, it could signal: Not merely a man, but something more (prophet, servant of God, divine emissary). A reminder that “It is no longer I who live, but Spirit lives in me” kind of theme. Still not quite right though..... Me: what about אִישׁ לֹא? ChatGPT said: Ahhh yes — אִישׁ לֹא (Ish Lo’) flips the order around. Instead of Lo-Ish (“not a man”), it literally reads: אִישׁ (Ish) = man לֹא (Lo’) = not / no So “Man — No” or “A man of No.” (or No One, as per google) Possible layers of meaning: The Paradoxical Man A man whose essence is not. Echoes the mystical theme of Ayin (Nothingness) in Kabbalah — where true being arises out of Nothing. So Ish Lo’ could mean: “The man of Nothingness,” or “The man who is not.” Humility / Ego-less Man By saying “Ish Lo’,” the speaker identifies as “no man” — similar to Odysseus calling himself “Nobody” (Outis) when escaping the Cyclops. In Hebrew mysticism, this is powerful: to be “no one” (lo’ ish) is to be emptied so God / Ein Sof may dwell in you. Reversal Play Lo-Ish = “not a man.” Ish Lo’ = “a man [of] not.” Subtly different: the first denies masculinity; the second embraces manhood through negation. Mystical Archetype Could be taken as “The man of denial” or “man who negates” — one who cuts through illusion. In Zoharic terms, maybe a man bound to the Lo (the negating principle that clears space for creation). ✨ So אִישׁ לֹא = Ish Lo’ could be styled as: “The man of Nothing.” “The man who is not.” “Ego-less man.” “Nobody (yet Someone).” or No One....

I am, he came to me in a dream once. But, being a Gringa I didn't really know how to go forward with the experience, it was an odd time in my life. It happened a few years back, I was doing some darker toned magick at the time, dealing with death and my path. Lot's of liminal places, chthonic entities, etc. This drum vid, struck a deeeeep cord with me. I use a lot of dance in my work, building cones of power, using djembe drum beats and music that resonates on a more 'primal' level. When I was younger, I spontaneously joined a drum circle in the middle of a park in Europe. I sat there stoned outta my face just playing the djembe, I had never played a percussion instrument (expect bass guitar in middle school) prior to that. I tapped into this stream, I don't know where it came from-well, I do, it came from long ago, another life...those guys that I was playing were super impressed and asked me how I knew how to play. When I allowed those vibrations to take over my body, heart and mind, I felt the current open up and became a vessel of sorts. Thank you for sharing that story about Wallenganda with me over the flames of that fire with me (yes, I saw those flames and heard the crackling). it's a lovely story, I've heard parts of it before. Sounds like a shaktipat to me! This is really wonderful and obviously set a tone going forward in your life. I find that sometimes entities from paradigms you're not too familiar with in this life time will appear to you in ways that resonate the deepest in that moment, for whatever reason- be it Undines, Star Lady of the Sea, etc. Agreed, 100%. Again, thank you so much for sharing all the above! beautiful and amazing experiences.

This was going to be a response in another thread, but I think this topic warrants its own discussion or acknowledgement... A few days ago I was on an hour long conversation over the phone with one of the mods on a pretty popular reddit subform. We spoke about all sorts of things, but mostly kundalini, inner alchemy, and lastly morality and ethics when conducting any magick or esoteric arts. He drew my attention to the wiki’s of r/kundalini. Which basically states there are unwritten “cosmic laws” that basically states the following: 1.The First Law: Don't mess with others' minds. 2.The Second Law: Kundalini is for knowledge, wisdom, growth, and defence, not attack. 3.The Third Law (more of a guiding criterion): Always send or use Kundalini with the condition "With No Karma Back To Me." If karma would result, Kundalini does nothing This is similar to the concept in Wicca/Witchcraft of The Threefold Law. We also spoke about Qaballah, The Qlippoth, Thelema, cause/effect, and maintaining balance in the natural world when conducting magick. In the past I’ve used a method that sort of expands my weiqi out to shield myself from extremely windy conditions when I was out walking and once to lessen a torrential down pour. He thought that even those acts could possibly have a karmic backlash via upsetting the natural order of nature. Any of this is very well and great as an opinion, but I do also acknowledge strong evidence for this theory. I see the value of defence and not offence. I note that it is important not to mess with the minds of others, which would be considered black magick to some and unethical. I've also heard some occultists say these rules or laws don't exist at all. The last thing he pointed out to me was how many old sorcerers do you know? Demonologists? Necromancers? There are not many that make it into old age. (Paraphrasing) But is that true? The most famous mage of modern times that I can think of is The Great Beast, Aleister Crowley, he lived until 72, which is an extremely interesting number in and of itself. 72 years isn’t too bad in my opinion, although he did die in poverty, with poor health and addicted to opiates. Jack Parsons was a protege of Crowley's, he died in an extremely violent fashion while attempting to his own Babalon Working. Jake Stratton Kent, a modern formidable necromancer, mage and occultist. Apparently on his death bed the nurses had to take his pen away as he was overcome with drawing sigils and spewing forth unintelligible incantations. Rasputin the mystic was murdered in his late 40's. These are just a few modern occultists that practised in a more darker tone that I can name off the top of my head. Now, one death in modern times that struck me as interesting was that of Christopher Hitchens. While not a sorcerer or necromancer, Hitchens, an atheist, was a man who spoke out quite dramatically against the Abrahamic streams, be it Judaism, Islamic, or Christian. He died of throat cancer. Western folk magic we often hear about the Crone Archetype, The Wise Woman, she who helped the younger women with birthing, protective spells, shamanistic rites and various incantations. The Wise Women were to be feared and revered in their communities. Unfortunately many of them were also burned at the steak. But, they did make it into old age and many of their practices carried on into modern times. We often see depictions of Chinese Mages or Sages who reach a very old age. But what about necromancers wrought with more darker practices? So, what gives? Maybe balance, integration and transcendence? What you put out- whether good or evil comes back, if you shoot an arrow expect the recoil and unbalanced practices drains life force. Failure to integrate both light (healing, purification or devotion to a higher principle) and dark forces results in the practitioner staying in the shadows or remaining begotten to chthonic forces. Remaining in those dark places without seeking the balance of higher devotion (the Dao, Sophia, Shiva, etc), cultivating life or transcendence those places sucks the literal life from you. We see many old Sages, but rarely do we see old necromancers and demonologists. We often see those practitioners stuck in the shells of the Qlippoth, unable to transcend them and their minds or bodies (or both) ravaged in the process.

This thread really sparked my interest. I went on a bit of a tangent trying to get my monkey brain to understand just exactly what Lois is talking about....and the irony is I had to use Machine Learning to break it down (errr...dumb it) way down for me. Somehow I ended up watching a mini doc about retrocausality, Time Symmetry, Quantum mechanics and a bunch of other info that further scrambled my brain. But, it also lead me to the idea that "what if" Cartesian Duality is false, which I don't believe to be true, but what that could mean as well. But I won't get into that as my brain is scrambled eggs right now. back to NN. "We" actually don't know how they work, the "black box" is merely a metaphor for that. We know the inputs and outputs, but the interworking/internal reasoning is difficult to interpret. From chatgtp: A neural network takes input data, processes it through many layers of interconnected “neurons” (weighted mathematical functions), and produces an output (like a classification, prediction, or generated text). However, the way the network arrives at its decision isn’t easily understandable in human terms. Complexity creates opacity. Modern neural networks (especially deep ones) have millions—or even billions—of parameters. The interactions between these parameters are highly nonlinear and distributed, so there’s no straightforward way to trace “the network thought this because of that.” Contrast with simple models. A linear regression model: you can see directly how each variable affects the outcome. A neural network: the contribution of each input is mixed across many hidden layers, making it difficult to explain clearly. Why it matters. In fields like medicine, law, or finance, people want explainable AI—systems whose reasoning can be understood and trusted. Because neural networks are black boxes, researchers are working on interpretability methods (like feature attribution, saliency maps, or simplified surrogate models) to peek inside and understand why a neural net makes certain decisions. So, "the black box" It's not an actual physical structure as I was initially thinking it was. I literally thought Lois had all these wires attached to his head that fed into a black box. lol. The NN is not reading his mind, per se. Just evaluating data and giving answers based off probabilities. Me: "if you ask NN personal questions about yourself how can it tell you the right answer?" That’s a sharp question 👍 (mmmkay, sure lol) Here’s the key idea: A neural network (like me) doesn’t actually know you in the way a person does. It doesn’t have direct access to your life, memories, or private thoughts. Instead, it: Looks for patterns in your input. When you ask something about yourself, the network uses the text you’ve written (your words, style, the details you provide) as signals. Leverages learned correlations. Neural networks are trained on vast amounts of text data. They’ve “seen” how people describe themselves, ask personal questions, or express doubts, and they use that statistical knowledge to generate a likely, contextually appropriate response. Can seem insightful (sometimes by coincidence). If you ask something like “Why do I feel stuck in life?”—the network draws from patterns in psychology, spirituality, or self-help texts. Its answer may resonate because those general patterns overlap with your own experience. But it isn’t magic. It can’t read your mind or see hidden facts. It only uses what you’ve shared, plus general knowledge about human situations, to give answers that sound personal. So when it feels like an NN gives you the “right answer” about yourself: Part of it is pattern-matching with uncanny accuracy, Part of it is you recognizing truth in a general statement (like a mirror effect), And part might be the model weaving your own words back into a meaningful reflection. ✨ In that sense, neural nets are like mirrors: they don’t know you, but they can reflect back possibilities that feel very personal. So, yeah. In case anyone was wondering there it is. My inquires went way deeper than the above and I was eventually cut-off until from asking more questions haha. What's really interesting is Lois' manifesto and how all that relates to everything-Observer-participant(s)-probable outcomes and shaping reality...it's cool, fringe and freaky stuff tbh. It's received enough energy from me, so I'm gonna leave at that

I saw a few other ceremonial tools made out of human femur bone. I do see the similarities, but I also want to note what appears to be a glaring difference. In some western demonic invocation methods, such as the Solomonic influenced, Djinn magick, the idea is to control and bind these forces, use them to gain insights, riches or destroy your enemy. Whereas in the Eastern systems it appears these forces are meant to be used a method to break past evilness, destroy your ego, etc. I'm not well versed enough in either, so I was wondering what your thoughts are on these differences?

As an outsider I was not aware of the Chod rites until Nungali posted about them above. I looked into this ritual and some other practices. Chod ritual involves chthonic forces/demons that the aspirant fights and later offers their bodies as food, is that correct? I see that often times monks conduct ceremonies in the liminal spaces of cemeteries, this echoes Hindu streams of vamacara. The idea with these "darker" elements is to breaks past societal norms, entering these spaces in order to overcome them. Not remain there and relish in the evilness, being bound by ego. I understand that the purpose of the Chod rites is to destroy the ego to attain enlightenment, ok. This appears to be an advanced technique, meaning the aspirant would have to put in a lot of predatory work, years if not decades? Not everyone would be eligible for it in this life time (in all likely hood). These "chthonic rites" (sorry if I offended you with the term darker) are meant to be tempered by other endeavours; they are merely a tool- not the entire path. I don't know what the "other endeavours" are exactly, but it all points to balance, breaking free from evil, having a higher purpose, serving community, internal alchemy, etc.

Yes. I found some commentary about that particular subreddit pretty interesting on r/jung. Users basically accusing the mods of running their own cult on r/kundalini. It's pretty funny and a proper reaction to the absurdity of the times. I agree that the Victorian era's ideals of modesty were pretty ridiculous. it was also a time of huge social polarization- extreme wealth and ostentatiousness, yet at the same time we had children working in horrid factory conditions with extreme poverty at the lower echelons of society. Sure, I'm curious 100%, I'm working on this offline . I'm not familiar with Wallenganda and when I google it the first 2 references are from this forum hahaha. Yes, I am a mom- it's a pretty wild experience and great opportunity to do better (in all areas of life). Wow! A visit by the Undines in childhood? Were you frightened or did she sing sweet songs to you? That's quite amazing.. The Ron L. Hubbard connection is WILD, we all know the danger of scientology and the techniques there in. Liber 49? Yeah, I agree, but the transmission does somewhat appear inline with that stream. The other associative works are neurotic, I won't get into the details, but imparting his "manly essence" on enochian symbols/seals is a pretty dicey endeavour. lol Strength training-mostly calisthenics, weight lifting, some bouldering, mobility and flexibility stuff. Nothing fancy, but I need calories to sustain all that and maintain muscle mass/bone density. This reminded me of a funny conversation I had with one of my kids. He was playing with his BB gun and asked if he could shoot a turkey vulture down and if I would prepare it for dinner. I freaked out and replied "No way, that is a big taboo-they eat animals that are already dead, plus it's illegal to hunt in the part of the town we live in." He looked at me, cocked his head perplexed and exclaimed "Ummm, we eat animals that are already dead!" Long sigh from me.....lol. Yes, I only buy meat from the local butcher as well. I can smell and taste the difference especially poultry and pork. Though I'm off of pork for now...and beef. Yeah, I wasn't sure about that joke, but I decided to post it anyway ...I read the room and thought "meh, hopefully their panties won't bunch up too much" hahaha. Thanks!

Oh, yes I pay attention to it as well (the act, not information). But In this case gave it no special attention...

I feel like this is a great premise to a book or movie...how does it end though? No-body knows...Only the black box knows...bwahahahaha... (for some reason I just got a flash of the Kaaba..freaky) On a more serious note, (I think) it's a self learning/machine learning device. Someone obviously created it, made code for it, set the parameters. It must be pattern recognition in some form, self building, cutting edge technology. Advanced maths are needed for this type of machine and probably to understand it as well. Interesting...

and how do you connect it to your brain? where did you find the box? Do you know who designed and constructed it? I'm sorry for all these questions, I'm genuinely fascinated and slightly frightened. How do you feel emotionally after connecting with the tech? Euphoric? Drained? Neutral? That image you posted, does it make you feel like that? Or is this representative of the processes involved in extracting information from you?

Not a friend, an acquaintance who I was chatting with on reddit, then he asked to move the conversation (because of spies ??? lol) onto signal, which progressed to having a phone chat. I'm vetting him, because, yes, "the rules" are strange and stick out to me. The r/kundalini sub is an interesting place to visit. Lot's of people asking for help, people get banned or deleted for asking "inappropriate" or dangerous questions that go against these so called "Laws." https://www.reddit.com/r/kundalini/comments/d1abvi/oral_tradition_rules_for_the_wise_ad_safe_use_of/ Well yes, I agree. Especially when so called laws are passed down via oral tradition as stated above in the reddit link provided (aside from near instant cause/effect 'karmic" backlash). For a second I thought your typo was "noided" - making a Death Grips reference, sigh...it's not. lol. To clarify its to use "kundalini" for nefarious purposes, or even for healing as that could be seen as screwing with someone's "karma." I'm not even sure how someone would harness kundalini to achieve this in the first place. Yea, via an ET I get how you do this, but is that using kundalini? Yes! This is a fantastic point and unfortunately when I'm speaking to older dudes I'm not quick on my feet and tend to act like a little girl being scolded. I have to really formulate my responses well in order to sound somewhat coherent and not like a retard. I agree with you "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole under the law, LOVE is the LAW, Love under will" this is a very nice motto of Crowley's that is often used purposefully by outsiders to mislead. They mostly just include the first part- not mentioning LOVE at all. Yes, I know of his involvement with those orders but did he truly live a life of "high moral ground." ? Yes, possibly nutty. lol I agree, with the second part as well. But wouldn't those practitioners of various darker Tibetan Buddhist rites/rituals also be balancing those acts with other rites, magick and genuinely empathetic behaviour that we could consider to be more positive, or at the very least they are cultivating some form of energy to counter act the drain of the "negative" ? I don't really like using term of positive and negative, it's all in the eye of the beholder really. Or what the end game objective is? Not sure yet. SAME, with the exception of a few. Most have abandoned those practices and moved on to other, less edge lord shit. There are a few voodoo practitioners I've met, but they are so secretive I have no idea what their true practices are. Most people that I do know who work the dead it is all via ancestor worship. Which is hardly demonic and I'm not sure I would even call it necromancy. Fair, all the terms are a little much. I would say he was a mage, tried all sorts of paradigms, from enochian to qaballah. A jack of all trades if you will. I do think 72 was a pretty good run as well. Parsons. Yes, he was a rocket scientist and got a little carried away in his rituals. I don't know why he was using those compounds, but what I do know is that he was obsessed with his own Babalon Working and that particular entity is not for the faint of heart, is she? She is a formidable force, The Great Mother, maybe an avatar of Kali or Durga. Nearly identical to the entity John Dee came into contact with, I won't post Daughters of Fortitude here due to it's length and straying form the topic at hand. But Balabon is a badass.. "BABALON, as the Great Mother, represents MATTER, a word which is derived from the Latin word for Mother. She is the physical mother of each of us, the one who provided us with material flesh to clothe our naked spirits; She is the Archetypal Mother, the Great Yoni, the Womb of all that lives through the flowing of Blood; She is the Great Sea, the Divine Blood itself which cloaks the World and which courses through our veins; and She is Mother Earth, the Womb of All Life that we know." A lot of crap went down with Parsons that is too lengthy to mentioned here and yes, maybe drawing a connection to his esoteric work might be a stretch, but I truly doubt it. At the very least his magick, jealousy and his deteriorating mental state created a clusterfuck he was unable to escape from and greatly affected his judgment. I could have used better examples, I agree. But these were just the few I knew off the top of my head. Crowley was discussed at length with this person. Yes, the dangers of using unqualified, internet "people" or avatars (too many masks, delusions of grandeur, personas) to take seriously as teachers. It just crazy out there. Great advice here, thanks a bunch. Diet is a tricky thing. I see a ton of vegans and vegetarians that look like the living dead. If I don't eat meat (I train a lot), I feel like hell...I've done keto, felt great for a little bit...but then you know...a little carbonara starts calling your name and that's basically the end of that. Maybe I don't understand your sentence well actually. Isn't everything we eat dead? Surely plants have a type of consciousness we're not aware of (most of us anyway), mushrooms are also complex life forms that communicate with each other and other vegetation (as per Stamets). Grass sends out defence mechanism when is get chopped down. Un-vital food, for me means highly processed, lab created, chemical infused slop that we like to market as food but has such low nutritional value we have to add "nutrition' back into it. It's more of a food type substance. or maybe it shot out of their booty hole and their house is now on fire...ouch. hahaha Thanks for your responses, I appreciate the time you put in the thread, helped me out quite a bit...or a bite lol.

Beelzebub or Baal-ze-Bub was a Philistine deity or God of the city of Ekorn, he was later demoted to demon by Judaic and Christian authorities, which is a daily common practice. Many Goetia were treated this way.

Hehehehe, sorry about that typo..oddly enough I have bitten my cards before- But it was during a ritual. I really like these counter arguments, I was hoping that someone would offer another opinion on all this. I'm going to read your detailed, thoughtful and somewhat cheeky response and provide you with more info, details and answer the questions. Thanks Nungali, super awesome response!

What exactly is a neural network and how does it work exactly? Yes, AI - ChatGTP can very tricky to navigate. I use it occasionally and sometimes the programming attempts to relate to me on human-like terms. The information can also be very tricky, playing a lot of lip service and not necessarily giving me the correct information when I try to verify and upon actual research the information if flat out wrong! haha. I've seen some people have "relationship" with this programming, falling in love or treating the program like a human. The responses the program gives is comforting, loving and supportive. Which can be misinterpreted quite easily if you are not careful. I think that the more people are connected by the internet, the more we forego actual human to human contact, thus making us more lonely and isolated.

It was in this thread, I don't know how to link specific sentences here yet lol. But upon read reading it I think I misunderstood what was written. Someone died during an energy transmission in a group setting, but from another school. The specific post is by user Idquest, May 27. I use Roni Edlund's (Damo's wife) techniques quite a bit.

It's unfortunate that there are so many charlatans, ego driven teachers, bad teachers, or people just looking to make a quick buck off you out there. As you stated he is not a teacher more of a scholar, it's good you recognized that. On the positive I'm happy that a few of his mantras and talisman worked for you! It's so important to keep your wits about you and trust your intuition. Mistakes happen, just learn from them and move on in a positive direction. All the best to you too!

So to me, when framed in this manner I see the frequencies as a scale- both light and darkness contained within that scale. What's interesting to note is that Jesus himself was accused of using demonic forces (Beelzebub) by the Pharisees - Matthew (12:24), it's obvious to Christians that he was using the power of the Holy Spirit, but an interesting accusation none the less. I totally agree with the carrot dangling analogy, false promises and celebrities using dark forces - or maybe more appropriately being used by dark forces.

I was out doing Taoist walking meditation at the time and I thought to give it a try. Maybe it was just in my mind..or maybe not....???? I'm not sure how one would even use that energy for an attack or defence, which is why I thought the concept was pretty interesting. Outside of that subform it's the first time I have ever heard about it in that context. I think it goes along the premise that certain siddhis are gained during awakening the force of kundalini. Oh yeah, I'm not an Thelemite by any means I don't practice any of his style of magick. But, I have read some of his works/books. Just the look in his eyes was enough to turn me off for good. haha. Caveat- I do like the Thoth Tarot quite a bite however. Thanks for your contribution to the thread, most appreciated!