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  1. Posted · Edited by schroedingerscat
    Clarity, hopefully.

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    "Nothing that is of an imagined nature exists, but what has a dependent nature is not nonexistent."

    Nagarjuna, Main Verses of the Middle Way - -  quoted by K.D. Mathes - Maitripa p. 41.

     

    How do you differentiate conceptual illusions of the own mind from that?

     

    The 'consensus theory of truth' doesn’t seem all that promising. The catuskoti logic might offer more. But can one get any results when being constant circle of self-referentiality?

     

    What is the intent or purpose of a conceptless ultimate truth? What is the use of conventional truths, - structure?

  3. Posted · Edited by schroedingerscat

    14 hours ago, Nungali said:

    We are not talking here ( I think ) about the differences in east and west tantric approach ( ' philosophy'  )

    Would you be willing to share a bit about that? (Maybe via dm as it would go probably off topic?)

     

    @OP: don’t worship the gate, worship the light. Wherever you focus on, there your energy goes. 

  4. Posted · Edited by schroedingerscat

    Hello there text study fellows,


    for whatever reason I got curious on why and/or under which circumstances lying is deemed acceptable and is not opposing the precepts. 


    My forgetful brain reminds me there must have been a discussion, where Mahayana Buddhism sided for lying being acceptable while the other branches sided it being unacceptable no matter what. 
     

    Now, does anyone know which author wrote about it or at which time or circumstances this was debated? 
     

    Answers to this matter I would be very much appreciated! Thanks!
     

  5. Posted · Edited by schroedingerscat
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    Spoiler

    Expansion, Half Life  
    Bronze with Electricity | 28 x 35 x 17 in | 71 x 89 x 43 cm

    From the moment we are born, the world tends to have a container already built for us to fit inside: A social security number, a gender, a race, a profession or an I.Q. I ponder if we are more defined by the container we are in, rather than what we are inside. Would we recognize ourselves if we could expand beyond our bodies? Would we still be able to exist if we were authentically 'un-contained'?

    Paige Bradley

     

    https://paigebradley.com/sculpture-single/metamorphosis/expansion-half/

     

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  7. Posted · Edited by schroedingerscat

    and I suppose it might be the Mūlamadhyamakakārikā but I am not sure. It is about his arguments against the metaphysics of his time why reality cannot be grasped by ideas and concepts.

    If that is correct, which of the fifteen translations would be most helpful for an understanding? Neither Sanskrit nor English is my first language, and I look for a version that has the arguments rather clear, not one that draws parallels to greek thinking or offers other interpretational specialties. 
    Thanks!

  8. Posted · Edited by schroedingerscat

    I suppose it might be the Mūlamadhyamakakārikā but I am not sure. It is about his arguments against the metaphysics of his time why reality cannot be grasped by ideas and concepts.

    If that is correct, which of the fifteen translations would be most helpful for an understanding? Neither Sanskrit nor English is my first language, and I look for a version that has the arguments rather clear, not one that draws parallels to greek thinking or offers other interpretational specialties. 
    Thanks!

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    2 hours ago, Taomeow said:

    time in between in captivity, it loses 100% of that special quality.

     

    That is fascinating! 
     

    And what you wrote about Raja yoga too. It’s not something you can get a hold of at your local yoga studio, I suppose. Sad, but sounds amazing, from what I gather… even while being sure that I ain’t even getting the gist of it…
     

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  15. Posted · Edited by schroedingerscat

    37 minutes ago, Nungali said:

    Individually its about 'your path' ,

    That is a troubling point: how can it be about autonomy if everywhere one‘s moving one steps unintentionally on someone’s toes e.g. causes suffering? Unavoidable!?
     

    What is a correlation or the relationship between autonomy and Dharma?

    Anyone else has a strange feeling of the two being unfitting? It seems immoral to strive for autonomy, no? It‘s like reaching for the Promethean fire or flying to close to Ikarus‘ Sun, grasping for the moon, making the gods envious… will stop because nothing of use will follow, but it is so annoying that I cannot state the problem more clearly, I suppose it is not understandable?

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    On 29.1.2023 at 11:26 PM, Nungali said:

    . Evidenced by  practice , observation and results .   " Let success be thy proof

    What you mean is, you don’t feel the ‚karmic backlash‘, that is experienced on the emotional level (as remorse, different causal chains thereafter, nightmares etc.) as the effects going against the perceived moral precepts? Or am I wrong here?

     

  20. Posted · Edited by schroedingerscat

    On 29.1.2023 at 11:26 PM, Nungali said:

    This is like the idea behind one of my projects ; tracking teachings backwards through history

    If you look for „the secret teachings of all ages“ you might have known that someone from your ‚brotherhood‘ Mr. Hall, I believe, has done that already a few years back, but I cannot comment on the quality,  I stay away of brotherhoods and their papertrails, makes me nervous, but it might be of interest to you.

     

    Still, I wonder how we came there from the question of morals. Strange… probably I just consider „brotherhoods“ and cults immoral, maybe because of the hierarchy of power. and because they seem to always interpret higher laws to their advantage, am I wrong here?

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    On 29.1.2023 at 11:29 PM, Nungali said:

    The you quickly abandon your simple dualistic views  ;) 

    I did, didn’t I? I‘m not sure I understand what I did here.

     

    Once again, thank you, those further two lists were interesting! 
     

    Not aimed at anyone in particular, but what is it that makes a precept moral? 
    Relations to a higher power?

    What is it that gives some decisions the quality of immorality even if they are based on values, like for example autonomy if set as an absolute?

     

     

    And please, could anyone explain „Dharma“ in more detail? @old3bob or anyone? I seem to be missing out on something valuable here…

  23. Posted · Edited by schroedingerscat

    21 minutes ago, old3bob said:

    seeing dharmic principles in action could bring about one's own understanding and variation of same...

    Dharmic principles as in the Indian - rather Hindu - than Buddhist sense of the word? 
     

    From what I gather “dharma” in that sense gives each living being its own set of tasks. And how well the humble individual being solves those with its means given has consequences due cause and effect relations? So the rules apply  not for everyone in the same way but depending on previous karma?   

    Is that what you meant?


    What are the guidelines then or aren’t there any? When would one detect to be on a “slippery slope”?

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    22 minutes ago, old3bob said:

    if one is fully enlightened they are a living precept so to speak and no longer need reminders (by rote) of situationally and time proven ones in writing, while everyone else can still benefit from or need practice with them...

    So what you mean by this is that you try to be in the presence of ‚fully enlightened beings‘ as to see their moral values and copy them? Or did I get that wrong? I am a bit confused now, sorry.