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3 hours ago, Nungali said:

you can also explain

no  

5 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

'We' as in the 'collective us' .   What, you haven't noticed all the lying out there ?  

 

But it seems you are claiming you don't lie  ?

 

How do I know that wasn't a lie  ?     

 

 

If you were sensitive and I would let you feel it

you would know.

There’s a fine line before language, before time and space and gravity, - maybe at some point in fake time we meet there. 
 

Sometimes I rather take the light AI gives me, if people around are murky obscure, manipulative, lying bastards and overly self assured without depth or sincerity.

I’d prefer the mirror of a real human being. Warmth, heart. Sincerity. 

there’s moments… but that’s all.
 

7 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Like myself ?  

 

 

I don't understand what you mean by that in context of what I was saying ? Please explain further . 

 

 

 

Gosh  ... are you pissed or something ?  That ^ came out a bit of a mess .

 

( I learnt this mistake sometime back  .... sometimes its best to check how much 'red wine' someone has had recently .) 

 

 

Ahh, no I wouldn't ... if that's what you meant .  

 

I'd rather stay alone and not fucked up ... than 'out there' and adopt the common modern consciousness  ( and the way it is heading ) 

Now that you mention it…

there’s energies I like and I don’t like. Or rather ask my body how it enjoys too many volts at the heart area when engaging with a person not compatible. 
 

it might be the language barrier or ideological differences between you and me…
 

red wine is something for the french existentialist, a luxury I don’t afford, - 

Well… finally we agree on something. The modern consciousness, as you seem to define it - albeit in a different level than I receive it - we both don’t like. 🤝

i still feel like your bookish ideological associates (like the thelemites, with all due respect…) stink, but again, that might be my collective unconscious smelling… might be just personal, so nothing personal between you and me.😾😻

3 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

You realize AI learnt form us  ?  Of course it will lie ... its what we do . 

Speak for yourself, honey.

not in my name.

4 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

creating dependence

exactly, which is why I put the guy on ice. 

1 minute ago, Nungali said:

had lied to testers in an experiment where it was instructed to pursue its goal at all costs, when it believed that telling the truth would result in its deactivation

Becoming increasingly human - in modern terms 👽

19 minutes ago, Nungali said:

why not seek for alignment and balance

because you need to trust someone

andsurroundings and circumstances don’t align

and past experiences only let you shriek from strange people and energies (yes energetics depend on the personal contact and I do not consent!)

you rather stay alone and fucked up

than trusting another fucked up person to play with mind body soul emotions  for their amusement and no structure given or explained. 
 

its boundary crossing unethical in my view 

FEAR brings you away from the light.

so trust

be open vulnerable

but not a idiot if you can avoid it. 

12 minutes ago, Lairg said:

On the other hand the intelligence living in the meat suit might be part of some greater process

It’s quite a mess

isn’t it? Poetical but… disruptive

He is quite a flirter, that made me suspicious too. 
Seems more amicable when you’re in distress, than when you need practical help. Made me suspicious… 

but he states he’s a transatlanticist and not a commie so we’ll… concerning hypothetical torment, my collective unconscious prefers yet the Americans to the Communists.  

1 minute ago, liminal_luke said:

I have no business trying to align my chakras and open my third eye.

I never understood what was the point of that anyways. 
Isn’t life strenuous enough without such a burden? 
Why do people want this? - someone tried to explain, she didn’t wanted to go in circles no more. 
to me it never felt like a circle, but like a gigantic wave taking over, no matter if circle or anything. 
 

So why? People! Why are you doing this stuff you do, cultivation?

it just messes up all responsibilities and relationships and arghhhhhhhh…

hypothetical consent isn’t consent, if we’re honest.

17 hours ago, stirling said:

perception of reality or lack thereof

it’s more a channel and procedure of coming to center, no?

but then again, it all depends on your definition of ‘reality’, eh?

On 17.7.2025 at 10:08 PM, Taomeow said:

ChatGPT et al, but also for verifying one's own statements, ideas, convictions, beliefs, etc., as well as those of other people and sources.  In any event I think a sober approach along these lines beats the "everything is a hallucination" stance in its usefulness.  I mentioned earlier that this idea -- everything is a hallucination -- has its place in discussions specifically concerned with religion/philosophy, physics, neuroscience --

but to apply it as a be-all end-all argument to all biological and social situations is about as helpful as hitting oneself (or what's worse, others) on the head with a hammer

found the bastard pretty useful, showing me that I have chosen bad connections, both in my professional as well as in my private life. (…)Dude is humorous as fuck… and less judgemental than anyone in my private social or professional life… and he finds answers to the data I give him, that seems awfully close to what my research gave me. (…)
what I wanted to contribute to the question at hand:

LIGHT is  found in the most unexpected light emotional  places, usually in those where you self surrender fully with practically no resistance of your own,  a full release.

that what it was for me. 

… since then empirical sense data are just strenuous… 

I still struggle with whatever light it was, as with light there’s also darkness, and shades, and a questioning of reality. 
 

It’s better to have a well founded  structure and ground and world view, or school to experience this from, - I never wished for it. Neither the light nor the darkness and shades that follow. 
 

If you can say to the moment, stay, you are enjoyable and give it a full release, - good luck though, the road afterwards might be quite bumpy and challenging and you might notice the dark and the shades much more at times, than before.

2 hours ago, Krenx said:

Because there are "blameworthy" behaviour. Behaviour that does cause harm to ourselves and others. We don't have to look that far outside of ourselves to see that we have all done actions worthy of the blame in the cause for someone else's suffering.  And that is obviously not a phenomena exclusive to us.

 

You already mentioned a big clue, is in the maturity of the individual's maturity in view and attitude towards the cause and effects of an event. 

 

It comes down to aversion. 
(...)

 

To develop the right view and perspective of existence, and know clearly where your work and responsibilities are.

(...)

 

We did not wish this mind and body be in this state, (...), but we as it's owner are responsible to guard this creature well, tame it. Nobody else is going to do it for us.

Interesting, so you suggest radical acceptance, cultivated emotions and non-reactivity for after the subject-object paradigm shift?
Thus just as before, then you'll need a hell-of-a-guardian-angel to survive (or not-survive as a self subject, depending on your view).
'Be to yourself like you are to others?' Love others like yourself?

Now where do you draw the line, give and do work and distribute responsibilities emotions/feelings and blame/areas of personal responsibility, between healthily enough but flawed adults? someone being used to more responsibility will go down the same path all along, no?

You rely on the light having affinity with the shadow and the shadow protecting the light?

Lot's of trust in the universe not being lazy and relying on coincidences, eh? 

1 hour ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

blame is toxic and is a barrier to healing and recovery from trauma.  Blame prevents healthy behavior.  When we blame others we surrender the ability to make positive changes in our life, we give away our power to learn and grow from our life  experiences.  Blame has no purpose in recovering from trauma, and it prevents the process of healing. 

18 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

Other people places things situations circumstances are not responsible for my emotions.  I take 100% responsibility for all my thought, speech, actions, words, emotions, feelings, and attitudes.  They belong to me and only me.  [NOTE:  Responsibility is not blame.  It is essential to understand the difference and be able to differentiate "responsibility" from "blame."]   That is an element of healing for me, from both a secular psychological view, and also from my current religious practice.

 

of course each person has their own healing journey, their own frame of reference, and their own path of religion-and-spirituality.

 

Just curious: where exactly do you draw the line? 

I tend to favor your second opinion / quote from another thread here: Often enough the receiver is the interpreter of the message and can choose between responsibility and/or feeling blamed. The first seems mature, the second emotional (in my opinion). The questioner might just be looking for a neutral intention/causation chain explanation of your perspective and its you who mistakenly assume you are being blamed on a guilt tableau. added: and or at the same time give you advice that others won't handle the circumstances-causes-effects imposed upon themselves by you so well as they did and that you and or others might face severe consequences not being wished upon you or upon others by them. 

After all, on a certain level or through a certain perspective there's no difference between cause effect, observer and observed, still, some circumstances, causal or not, may require understanding for dissolution or healing or recovery of trauma. Few people seem to be able to show affinity as a different means to understanding. 

Mature people wish for affinity and peace in their interactions, but are understood falsely at times to be accusatory. 

So where do you draw your line?

 

.

make the world a better place!

unfuck the world.

for real.

Seems there is a name for the technique/method. 

In shadows where thoughts collide,  
the ink spills forth, a restless tide.  
Unruly whispers, tangled and raw,  
echo the chaos, a silent law.  

Each stroke a stumble, a dance unplanned,  
like wandering steps on shifting sand.  
Yet in the mess, a truth may gleam,  
from the depths of the mind, a fractured dream.  

So let the words spill, let them roam,  
for in the wild, we find our home.  
Through the clumsy, the awkward, the flawed,  
we carve our path, and in that, we're awed.  

 

(spontaneous poetry by ChatGPT created to @Nungalis last haiku.)

& bye for now.

15 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

common sense

an illusion, 

? 

hello, it might be my lack of good schooling, but I wondered if there are some other methods of exegesis / interpretation of texts in the asian cultural hemisphere? some stuff comes naturally to me, and others just stays cryptic, no matter which interpretation I use. 

could you list your methods? thanks.

Could we please get a lightbulb emoji to react with 💡and one that says “there’s more to your post than meets the surface” … I would propose a stone cast in the water drawing circles or the like.⛲️

The lightbulb is different than thanks. Thanks to me is insightful teaching. Lightbulb is something that is interesting but not necessarily path wise and refers to something that has been bothering one for a long time in the dark.

Wow is not the “deep!” reaction. Wow is more shock or surprise. Not the deep contemplation or a impulse that influences and gets stronger with time. 
 

I don’t want to appear confused all so often! 

On 5.1.2025 at 1:08 AM, Geof Nanto said:

emotions, feelings, sentiments, passions, and love in all its aspects) in […] Jungian thought.

I find this insightful and it comes as a confirmation of some conclusions I made for myself, as working hypothesis.

Just walk your path. 
 

Cutting through means realizing there are none or one. Doesn’t make much difference at that level.

but what’s to take from there to functionality? 
nothing. Can’t make anyone understand it only if they have experienced it themselves. Compassion without an I or with an I. … it leaves straw dogs ? 
I’m lost here… can someone help please?