Takingcharge

Il check it out thanks,   To be clear i ment she doesnt have any deviation she hasnt started doing qigong

im saying the way she thinks makes her vulnerable to if.    Shes starting to delve into real qigong rather then the physical park stuff

but brings mentalities of jeet kune do, trust your gut how you shoukd do things over specific teacher instructions

my intuition will show me the way

i know better then the teacher. She says she doesnt but i see it in her behaviour

these kind of things, she also is very smart , n willing to learn- but she needs to bexone aware of qi deviations n the risks from better sources then me telling her.    I dont think she gets how eazy you can go wrong home studying from cources n mantak books.

she also has this whole i do things snd “feel energy” type of thing i notice. Needs to know just that feeling energy or sensations doesnt mean its good.    

shes found michael lomaxs stuff now

but will possibly branch out or mix up things

so im looking for threads where she can learn what it is - and what you shouldnt do

im pretty sure @Earl Grey      Was big on  linking threads and discussions trying to avoid new starters from being foolish 

Looking for these for a friend, she has all the workings of a chi deviation waiting to happen

-can sometimes  think her toughts on the subject are better then specific way the system dictates

-may think at times  you can fill it yourself

-ordered mantak chia books

-learns from books

-has beem doing her own freestyled moving meditation for years making me think shel bring bad habits engrained habits jnto these chigong practices

who has good threads for her to read? The search is horrible

On 12-1-2023 at 4:10 PM, dmattwads said:

 

I have heard it said that only a fully enlightened Buddha really knows how chanting works.

 

With that being said there are some mantras that transform your karma be accelerating the working out of your bad karma faster and in the most gentle way possible. I can attest that when I have done these mantras that life gets very uncomfortable, but afterwards old patterns do seem to indeed change. As to how it works I have no idea.  

Interesting.. i just read online that deities are the power behind chanting. Well atleast some chants

Hey everybody,

so i saw that chun yi lin is doing some kind of thing where he and a group of  tibethan monks will do different chants twice a day fir 7 days. To bless in the  new year.

theyre doing a bunch 

-A prayer for all living bekngs

-diamond sutra

-heart sutra

-grand compassion sutra

-long gevity sutra

-medicine buddha sutra

-transforming all negative karma chant

 so im wondering how do these work? Whats the mechanics behind them. 
how does a chant transform negative karma or open up uour heart centre etc

3 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

yes he did come from Hinduism

https://isha.sadhguru.org/mahashivratri/shiva/shiva-blue-throat/

ok, so are you saying shiva and the medicine buddha are the same deitys?  Medicine buddha was not mentioned in the article

Hello,

Just some random toughts,  i dont know much about buddhism. i was under the impression buddhism didnt involve evoking deities and such. I tought  it was focussed purely on liberation

But i saw that that tibethan buddhism is filled with it from glimpsing.

Saw that the medicine buddha is depicted as blue, so i wondered are these really buddhas? Or a deity  they picked up from hinduism? As i tought buddhism somewhat came from that.

What are the toughts on this? Short tiktok video of  A christian pastor prophet doing spirit exorcising them out of people

this seems very fake to me

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMF3XoUKP/

Has anybody  witnessed  spirits being forced out of somebody would it look like this?

he also does alot of prophet ministring where he knows alot of things he shouldnt be able to know

Is this a conmen, is this god? I always wonder

How is it am abrahamic relegion though if it beliefs in a cosmic mind?

No not safe at all stop immediatly,  many oeople have severely messed themselfs up doing stuff like this

3 hours ago, dino said:

sign me up 

sign me up.

1 hour ago, freeform said:

My Buddhist teacher teaches almost nothing but meditative practice… no Dharma… No discourse… very rarely does he talk - but when he does, it’s always worth listening to.

 

He teaches the two most important virtuous qualities…

 

Metta (kindness) and Mudita (appreciation).

 

Mudita is the pure appreciation of others success or their gain.

 

As beings born into the material realm, we’re invariably imperfect (you could say that we’re born in the material realm because we’re imperfect)…

 

But kindness and appreciative joy are the most ‘perfect’ of the virtues we’re capable of right now - no transformation, or growth necessary - they’re available to us right now (unlike things like compassion which most people are incapable of)… and these virtuous qualities reverberate across all realms of existence - from the highest heavenly realms to the lowest hell realms - their power is appreciated by all beings.

5 hours ago, freeform said:

Just a little preview of what my seminars would be like…

 

 

 

 

 

 

im

about ready to sign up!  Had me at tony but the concrete rock, D swinging and ball dangling really sealed the deal for me! 

On 25-11-2020 at 4:33 PM, freeform said:

Qi emission is more ‘objective’...

 

clouds move whether you will them or not - but you don’t usually receive electric shocks that travel through your body when people touch your hand... 

 

Animals and babies aren’t taken in by mental biases either - but they react just the same to Qi emission.

 

Qi emission is pretty ‘common’ once you’re accepted into the right ‘inner door’ groups.

 

But Qi emission can be faked - so you need to see something like that in person, for yourself.

 

Some examples of the effects of Nei Qi emission:

 

Example of Yang Qi emission:

More Yang Qi emission:

 

 

Its important to point out that these skills don’t mean these masters necessarily have a high level of spiritual attainment (which is what’s a lot more interesting for me) - or ethical development.

 

Also for me personally - seeing videos like this is not good enough evidence.

[edit] Though I’m as certain as I can be that these videos show genuine Qi emission - because I’ve either met these teachers or their senior students who can do the same.

But once you experience it over and over from many different people - many of whom have no vested interest... or maybe one day you even experience being able to do the same yourself... then that’s as good evidence as you’re gonna get.

 

These things are real.

They seem special - but once you understand the mechanics of it, the mysticism is dispelled - and it doesn’t seem all that supernatural at all. Just a combination of many years of dedicated practice and sincere application of genuine methods.

in the first video what the heck is going on there?? 
Some look possessed, w the screaming n yelling n behaving like animals. Whats going on there exactly?

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

I think you might be a little confused about religion .  If you are going to look into it ; the western concepts of religion came first through Zoroastrianism , then Judasim , Christianity, Islam and now Baha'i  (although none of them are 'western'    )  .

 

Perhaps what you are trying to track is the advent of monotheism ?    Many think the above religious stream tracks monotheism - but it doesnt .

 

Its still all a little confused ; are you saying you will look into Judaism to see if they have a concept of the Biblical God  ????

 

Errrmmmmm .... try the Old  Testament in the Bible .

 

 

 

 

Ughhh ...

 

let's say  ' you will look into Hinduism as well .  Or better still ......  look into 'Vedanta' .  The trail * comes through there .

 

*  From Siberia , down through  Central Asia  to south Central Asia where the teachings split , east - west .   West stream develops Zoroastrianism and later , Levantine religions , east stream develops Vedanta ..... Vedanta  incorporates native 'religions' from the sub-continent  and out of that comes 'Hinduism' .

 

 

 

Then I'd suggest historical accounts  of how people viewed  Christians at certain times  ..... unless you ARE set on the 'Biblical God' (whoever that is ! ) then you have to include Jewish concepts of deity .

 

 

 

Early on , and specifically with 'Abraham'    - 'El Elyon' - the 'Most High '  (ie, head of a pantheon, so not monotheistic ) , probably an import from 'Ur'  ( supposedly Abraham's origin, or the home of the 'generic Abrahams'  - the migrating people ) .

 

 

 

The concept originates in Zoroastrianism as ' Amesha Spentas '

 

 

 

?  

You might have to write a bit clearer to  get a good answer .

 

 

Perhaps in historical accounts , eg what the Romans thought of the Jews beliefs  but I doubt they bothered to write about  'Their Jewish  God' as a concept  .

 

Its a bit like ; I am not going to comment on my relationship, ideas  and concepts about someone else's God , but might comment about their belief in their God

.

 

 

The closest I can come to is in the Bible  where supposedly other people ( not Jews )  had some type of relationship or acknowledgement  of the 'Jewish God'  ... but that is within Judaism / Bible and not from another religion .

If you can refine your question more accurately and better , then a search can be done  with that question .

 

 

Good to see some discussion going on.

il be back later to write a responce

15 minutes ago, old3bob said:

the Jewish and Muslim religions have their take...

 

Rama Krishna a well know Hindu mystic of the past was said to study all major religions so one could look up his take along such lines...and of course many dozens of others well known to history.

 

 

i guess i ment outside of the abrahamic religions though i know little about the jewish religion so i could look into that.

Il look into the hindu mystic as well,

im just trying to get a sense of how he fits in according to other viewpoint.    The abrahamic religions hold him as the god of gods the most high and all other beings  / deities would be  (fallen) angels and other entities according to the bible.   The koran is fond of thinking everything jinn

so hes basicly the all mighty. 

With that kind of status

Other ancient traditions must have some kind of note on the abrahamic god within their cosmology or viewpoint

Good day everybody,

so ive been wondering how does the god of the bible fit into the other cosmologies of just about any other ancient tradition.

Is he referred to or recognised in any capacity by

buddhism, hinduism, daoism etc?

i know he shows up with the gnostics who considered him to be the demi urge  that created physical existance and the earth to trap souls

is he only referred to by christians? Or do other traditions recognise and place him somewhere in the cosmology ?

i would be interested to hear about, i havent found much so far

Are there any other people that could elaborate on what exactly entails a qigong lineage?

59 minutes ago, Lairg said:

My observation is that spiritual practices are usually embedded within the energy field of an overlighting entity.

 

A lineage typically is within the aura of a single overlighting/overshadowing entity

 

It is important to choose carefully as the entity may have an agenda contrary to that of the practitioners.  

 

And my observation of several guys that attempted to change to another overlighting entity is that they were prevented.  It was not possible for them to perform the practices of the new entity

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see, so your saying being tied into a lineage is being tied into the entities autic field?

What would be examples of agendas contrary to the person?

your saying they werent able to study a new system?

On 21-10-2022 at 8:55 AM, old3bob said:

 

Right, nobody can prove certain things to another, thus we have to get certain proofs first hand although pointers from others can help.  

there must be a general   idea on this though?

around origins and wether its led by an immortal or  say some kind of deity or entity

Hello everybody,

so theres something im wondering about, 

so im always hearing people talk about being part of a lineage. — but what does that actually mean, specificly?

for example once you start stillness movement they say they will tie you into the lineage energeticly,

l what  does being tied into a  lineage entail?

And what is a lineage, specificly - in terms of qigong systems?

It isnt just a system that has stood the test of time

On 19-10-2022 at 6:25 PM, old3bob said:

Also Taoists here could explain more about various types or levels of "immortals"... (per their lineages or schools)  but remember any being that identifies as a separate individual and not as eternal Brahman still has their days numbered, meaning such lives could be for hundreds to many thousands of earth years or even much longer if they evolve into an angel or god type of being, but even then the cosmic cycle or wheel still turns and only Brahman remains.   Btw. the historic Buddha mentioned to Ananda that he could have remained  for the remainder of the cosmic cycle but Ananda missed that import...(per Buddhist scripture) 

Yeah intried searching the forum fir this, not much came up

id be  interested to hear more on this

20 hours ago, freeform said:

There are several names for this realm - the main thing is that it’s said that this is the realm of ‘higher level’ beings with karma… Karma that they can only process once they incarnate - or by passing it to incarnate humans in return for trinkets and favours 

Wow, i had never heard of this,  is this why certain entities actively seek out human contact.

are these the types of spirits engaged in shamanism?  Im not very fammiliar w it but i often heard it said that in shamanism they have access only to the realms pretty close to this one.  A bit lower and a bit higher 

9 hours ago, Kojiro said:

There is no immortal being behind any lineage, this is a fairy tale, can't you see this?

Im not sure but i definitely cant be certain. But at least one person fairly high in a tradition told me there was somebody non corporeal at the head

but who knows, thats why i was asking peopkes take

Hello everybody,

Theres something ive been wondering about.

with qigong,do people tap  into a specific type of energy thats outthere in the universe? Often specific to the system, or developing a specific type of energy

or is there an immortal being at the very top of every lineage providing that the energy to its lineage? Whats the nature of it

or is this just sillyness

2 hours ago, freeform said:

As far as I know the originator took elements from a Daoist method of healing which utilises Ling Qi.

 

Ling Qi is a very refined form of qi.

 

However the ability to refine one’s qi to this level has largely been lost (let alone the ability to even generate excess qi to have something to refine). Only a limited number of masters and schools still have this ability. It’s even rarer than genuine fa qi.

 

Generating and using Ling is a lifetime practice. It doesn’t happen through imagining symbols.

 

Nowadays reiki simply involves people passing sick qi back and forth (this has some somatic effects - so it feels like something is happening). 
 

Sometimes one’s sick qi happens to balance out another’s sick qi… like pathogenic heat balancing out pathogenic cold - so symptoms may even feel like they’re alleviating. But in reality the cocktail of sickness has just been balanced out enough that it doesn’t express in the same way anymore. (But you’re left with more pathogenic information than before).

 

In some situations, when a practitioner is constitutionally very healthy, they may be able to pass healthy qi to the patient (in the very beginning of their career).

 

However the effect of this healthy qi is still hit or miss - because even healthy qi may destabilise someone’s inner equilibrium and cause harm.

 

And finally, using any ‘magical’ or talismanic approach opens one up for all sorts interference from different realms. 

 

Because Ling is a very pure spiritual quality of spirit expression, once it is misused according to our lower desires, it becomes ‘corrupted’ and can lead to a sort of karmic ‘devolution’ for those involved. That may have something to do with why reiki got so weird…

Thats interesting..

Yeah that reiki healers are often drained is pretty apparent if you look around id say most of them, ive seen it discussed here often as well.

if ling qi was ever a part of it.. id say those days are  long gone as you can learn it in a weekend nowadays and actually emitt chi, 

what i found interesting is though is that the person said usui left out that when usui climbed kurama mauntain where he came up with reiki, that he met sojobo there. Who is according to him the source of reiki. I looked up sojobo and hes the king of the tengu demons.  That are said to live on that maintain.

and that those symbols they attune you with are related to sojobo.

he said its a kind of nasty energy 

and that it contributes to why  many reiki practitioners are the way they are. Apparently this is fairly known in the erea around the mauntain that this is reikis origin.   That seems inline with what earl grey stated about the effect of those symbols

so i found that interesting,

because a surprising many people have dark  experiences w reiki, feeling hands on them, dark night mares immediatly after etc

On 11-9-2021 at 7:33 AM, Earl Grey said:

I think people can claim it’s universal energy all they want, but when developing the neigong body, it most definitely is not universal energy. The awareness of how Reiki is working after development of this makes one realize Reiki isn’t universal divine energy working through you due to how the body is still transmitting. Most people who disagree have not developed this internal body.
 

It might not taste like what you think  poison should taste like because it’s sweet, but people die slowly from poisoned honey.

Its interesting that youd say that.

i heard the origin of reiki is a tengu spirits / demon  From the mauntain.  And that that it also siphons small amounts of energy from you. Its not universal energy according to what i was told

theres a pretty big group of people that have had dark experiences with reiki, i was a bit surprised about that originally

On 9-9-2021 at 8:21 PM, freeform said:

No - nothing like that. Just that in Reiki they believe that they’re using a universal source of energy - so it’s limitless and pure.

 

But in reality it can be very depleting (you’re using your own Qi), and almost always transfers ‘pathogenic’ Qi between the two people.

 

I heard  the source of reiki is a tengu demon. I cant say for certain wether its true.

 but  there are actually a whole lot of reiki “masters” that have denounced it saying its no bueno

It isnt spoken about much however

theres also an alarming amount of people you can find that have had very negativr experiences with reiki and also dark visions  and other weird things happen after or during

just my 2cents