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On 10/25/2025 at 2:27 PM, Mark Foote said:

... Regarding nutrition science:

a prostitute who puts out for every client willing to pay.

When margarine was invented, scores of 'nutrition scientists' were tasked with proving it's healthier than butter.  For one example, around the 1980s all recipes collections and cookbooks got rewritten with margarine replacing butter in them.  

The French didn't buy it.  But I do remember cooking with it in my younger years when I didn't know better.  Live and learn. 

I believe nutrition as a science hardly exists.  For starters it's too complex and mysterious -- the most magical transformation in existence, turning assorted not-you things into you, not-me into me...  sheer magic.  And to make matters worse, it pretends people didn't eat for a million years before sedentary agriculture, let alone before "nutritional science" -- and step very carefully around facts.  Trying not to stumble and fall into, e.g., those fire pits that Native American tribes used for 25,000 to 40,000 years in one place (tribes coming and going, the fire pit being used continuously).  They roasted their bison and buffalo whole in those.  No wonder nutritional scientists of today give it the widest berth -- imagine falling into something like this and all your margarine and cereals stuffed in your learned pockets going up in smoke in an instant...  

I think it's one of the least mysterious statements in the I Ching.

A favorable beginning (yuan), penetrating progress (heng), beneficial appropriateness (li), and steadfast correctness (zhen) -- 

throughout the I Ching Yuanheng Lizhen stands for the "green light" in response to your divination.  A "yes," rather than what the outcome of other inquiries may be -- "maybe," "possible but not likely," "don't go there," "a hard no."  

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

Some people find it impossible to learn to graciously accept they got it wrong. 

 

 

You need to graciously love yourself off.  

Yayoiu Kusama, 'Pumpkin Cat,' 1990

The cat addition to Kusama's famous pumpkin motif is of debatable authorship, but I like it.  

Kusama is a Japanese artist presently 96 years old.  She keeps working every day in her Tokyo studio.

Happy Halloween!  

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

 

That’s not the Buddha in the picture, that’s Budai.

 

 

Budai, yes, aka "the fat Buddha" or "the laughing Buddha."  A Chan monk named Qici, later deified as the Future Buddha -- Maitreya.

Indeed, it was Lord Gautama the original Buddha who ODed on pork, but I wanted a picture of a fat buddha specifically to illustrate the point about overindulgence in food, not a passport photo ID of Lord Gautama. 

Contrary to a popular misconception, Gautama is not the only Buddha and the names "Gautama" and "Buddha" are not interchangeable.   

As a zen saying goes, "you walk knee deep in Buddhas."  

Lamb is OK, just don't eat pork on a hot day.  That's how the Buddha entered nirvana.  Or, in layman's terms, died.  Ate too much of an irresistible pork dish, Sukaramaddava, on a hot day.  That's the Mahayana tradition, by the way, whereas in Theravada they try to shy away from the fact by asserting it was a dish of special "trampled by pigs" mushrooms.  But the hot weather was the likely contributor in either case, since the Buddha, before entering nirvana, told his host, the blacksmith who served him that dish, to bury what's left of it, just in case.  Which hints at the possibility it was spoiled and he didn't want anyone else to get food poisoning.  Though it's more likely he was trying to play down his overeating habit...  which, coupled with hot weather, may be more perilous than it is in cold climates where one needs to burn extra calories to stay warm. 

8 minutes ago, Apech said:

What’s this thread about, again?

 

lol

 

(already multiple splits from original)

9 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 

I guess many here would not count vaccines as an improvement  ....   but I would cite 'non invasive  diagnosis  '  (like ultrasound )   and insulin  for diabetics .   Fortunately for me though , I am neither diabetic nor pregnant . 

I am not aware of diagnostics becoming less rather than more invasive...  depends on what you're comparing them to and what you know about the ones perceived as non-invasive that are in reality anything but.

E.g., ultrasound in  pregnancy is mighty controversial (and if you haven't heard about it, there's a reason for that...  we hear what the establishment wants us to hear, everything else gets swept under the rug...  it's just that some of us have stumbled over that rug and developed a habit of lifting it to see what lies beneath before venturing a step.)  A fetus is extremely sensitive.  Some of the concerns are neurological effects (exposure could affect fetal brain development or neuronal migration, based on animal studies), thermal effects (risk of local tissue heating, particularly near bone), cavitation effects (microscopic gas bubbles forming and collapsing in tissues, damaging molecules and cells), intrauterine growth restriction (observational studies noted a statistical correlation), and subtle long-term effects (concerns regarding increased risks for conditions like autism, childhood cancers, speech delays, etc.).  It's just one example, but there are many "non-invasive" diagnostic procedures that are only non-invasive because the invasion is not immediately obvious.  

As for insulin -- that was discovered over a hundred years ago...  Diabetes, in most cases, could be prevented or cured with better lifestyle and (especially) dietary choices.  But the money isn't in that.  Hence the current approach -- to pretty much everything.   

2 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Not my brother, a friend.  And in reality he´s a sweet guy and I don´t wish him any harm.  Just someone who got caught up, as so many of us do, in a particular mind loop.

 

 

For brother Apech

 

He´s a cool white cat,

who knows where it´s at.

He´s done lots of Egyptian study,

I´m lucky he´s my buddy.

 

He's done a lot of Egyptian study

yet never talks of Bastet, buddy.

What kind of cool white cat

is that?      

The thread this one got split from was about LIFE sciences.  And of course went as those topics always do:

1) When someone talks about the problems with LIFE sciences, the self-appointed defenders of science bring up TECHNOLOGY as proof of progress of SCIENCE. 

Technology, indeed, is booming and blooming, but this does not inform one of the state of affairs with life sciences. 

You want to know the state of affairs with their progress that made any positive difference in the lives of live humans?     

The last time life sciences made progress was in the 19th century when they stopped bashing the concept of hygiene and ridiculing and ostracizing surgeons who wanted to wash their hands before performing surgeries.  And no longer put them in lunatic asylums for this crazy idea that infant and new mothers' mortality may have something to do with the fact that they dissect corpses for scientific purposes and then move on to delivering babies without washing their hands.

 2) There's countless irresponsible endeavors in current LIFE sciences which the people currently called scientists do JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN, and most of them are extremely destructive to the health and well-being of actual live human beings and all creatures great and small.  The bulk of tangible progress is in weaponized applications.  Purportedly against the potential enemy.  In reality, innocent bystanders who are affected are pretty much everybody on the planet.  

3) This extinction-level status quo is entrenched so firmly and the indoctrination runs so deep, and is so all-encompassing, that talking not only with its perpetrators but also with its victims is usually an exercise in futility.      

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

Unless you were an emu .... then your wife will take off and leave you to hatch the eggs and   you end up  a 'single dad'  for  8 chicks !  

 

... and you dont get to fly ! 

Or a penguin...  same deal.  Although penguins compensate by flying underwater.  And an emu can outrun any number of competitive cyclists, to say nothing of ants. 

12 hours ago, SodaChanh said:

 

That is not my experience, having taken a masters degree. 

 

The scientists are pretty humble and have passion for the sciences. One even had a mathematical breakthrough in his dreams. 

Your experience does not contradict my statement.  The thing is, there's no such generic thing as "scientists."  I also have a master's (so what) and am a descendant of four generations of Ph.D.s, two of which achieved truly great things in (of all things) agricultural sciences whose positive impact lasts till today.  (No, not pesticides or genetic modifications, nothing of the sort.  Real agricultural science as it used to exist before all that jazz.)   

You may want to re-read what I wrote with this idea in mind:  "scientists" and "science" is a profoundly ephemeral concept.  Smoke and mirrors that may hide anyone and anything.  

That's the generic everyday use (or rather glaringly wrongful misuse) of the term "science," which (as @zerostao pointed out in the statement I was expounding on) is absolutely equal to a belief system.  We are trained to believe statements we are told originate from "Science."  "Trust the Science" absolutely equals "In God We Trust" -- it's a statement of belief plus a commandment.  Real science has nothing to do with statements of belief and commandments.  And real scientists...  the system is set up to produce very few of those -- and disown, discredit, persecute them if they fail to toe the indoctrinators' line.  But enough tangent.      

38 minutes ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Even if an ant eats a bald eagle, it will never achieve the greatness of a street pigeon

This sounds like something from Zhuangzi.  With this statement you have achieved greatness.  Maybe not eternal --

but you did produced a great moment for me.   

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

and why cant  some people detect such bad AI at first glance .... even from the title still frame    it was obvious . 

It was, which is why I didn't watch it.  (The reason I pressed the "like" button is, I sometimes do that in acknowledgement of someone's contribution to keeping alive a thread which I don't want to fall by the wayside.)

Why did you watch it?  

2 hours ago, zerostao said:

 

Edit/ I said it before and it remains true that science itself, is a belief systen

It is a belief system for the indoctrinated, but for the indoctrinators it is primarily (and often entirely) a power grab system.  

All our "life sciences" inherited the tradition they directly arose from -- that of witch hunts, getting rid of ideological competition, gaining both power and money, monopolizing control of people's bodies, calling the shots.  (There's a pun in there.) 

Sorry to hear about your loss.  My condolences.

27 minutes ago, Sahaja said:

One thing I experienced with it directly was its blood thinning qualities. A few years back I was getting a shot and there was a lot of blood. The nurse thought I’d take aspirin before hand and I said no. Later I realized it was likely the turmeric I was taking at my wife’s suggestion to reduce inflammation. Generally they counsel to stop taking it before surgery for this reason. Difficult to say how it worked on inflammation as this is less self evident than bleeding though I still take it sometimes. 

In an alternative scenario, the nurse giving you the shot probably hit a blood vessel.  Occasionally it happens, and that's what might cause bleeding (of varying intensity which depends on the size of the blood vessel hit).  If you had no other symptoms while taking turmeric (e.g. abnormal bruising from things that shouldn't cause it, or spontaneous appearance of bruises out of nowhere, or any minor wounds that caused disproportionate bleeding, etc.) I don't think it's very likely that turmeric was involved.  It is indeed a very mild blood thinner, key words very mild, and its mechanism of action is different from that of both aspirin and prescription blood thinners.  It does not interfere with normal clotting in the real world, only in theory.  There's cuisines (e.g. in many parts of India) where it is used in everyday dishes in amounts far exceeding what is usually taken as a supplement in the West.  Of course if it's a before surgery situation it's prudent to take nothing at all, just to be on the safe side (except for Yunnan Baiyao of course -- and I wouldn't tell the allopaths about that one unless they were also  knowledgeable in classical Chinese medicine, which would be too much to ask). 

Disclaimer: I ain't no doctor.  

Roger Waters

I like learning new words on occasion, not ordinary words but stranger words.  I wrote about anemoia on the previous page, and today I accidentally came across the lyrics of Bad Boys (it used to be the opening song of a TV show popular in the '90s) and learned idren.  It's a Rastafarian term made out of "I" and "brethren" (or "sistren" -- it's gender neutral) that means "me and my spiritual brothers and sisters," "me and all my people."  Interestingly, it sounds like one of those Chinese words where "ren" -- meaning "person" -- at the end forms a term of belonging to a group (e.g. Meiguoren -- American, Zhongguoren -- Chinese, and so on.. )    

The daobumren are strange.   

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

This is not my system so I wait to be shot down in flames but doesn’t the patterning come from shen rather than qi?

 

 

It comes from wuji (tao-in-stillness) transforming into taiji (tao-in-motion) also going by Xiantian and Houtian.  Yang floats upward, yin sinks downward.  That's the beginning of heaven and earth.  "In the heaven images arise, on earth they take shape," as the Ta Chuan explains it.  (Unlike in all hierarchical systems, it's not "heaven first, earth later," it's a mutually dependent and simultaneous process.)    And then every step of the way the pattern gets refined/complicated -- up to 64 steps times five times eight and their ten thousand combinations...  and that's the outer border of a meaningful pattern.  Beyond it lies Hundun, where there's no pattern.  Chaos.  Plenty of information, no meaning.  

7 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

Some say Chi is information.   When the information hits at a certain point, the point and the surrounding area light up.   It is why people feel the warmth, tingling, itchiness, pressurize, see light..... once the appropriate area is activated with information.   

 

I would say information is part of what qi is/does, but my understanding is that "pattern" runs deeper.  When someone yells "fire!" in a theater -- that's information.  But if there's no pattern consistent with that information (heat, flames, smoke, etc.) it may mean we have a prankster on our hands, or misinformation, or a mistake, or malicious intent, and so on.  In other words, information is open to interpretation, while pattern is independent of interpretation.  It just is what it is and does what it does. 

A practitioner of taoist arts and sciences observes the pattern and discerns its meaning -- and then interprets the resulting information.  That's one reason we're not as hung up on names as some other practitioners are.  My teacher, e.g., used to call the taiji move known as "White Crane Opens Wings" simply "Big Bird" -- but because the students were able to observe the pattern of that move, they didn't interpret it as an invitation to imitate the muppet character known as Big Bird.   Likewise, I didn't know anything about the MCO when I had to buzz off my hair (normally long) because I had a distinct feeling that "that thing" running up my spine gets tangled in my hair and tickles most annoyingly.  (I still have an old expired driver's license with a picture of me with that uncharacterisic hairstyle.  Every time I see it, I'm, like, "what was I thinking?" -- and then I remember.  And now I have the words for that...  "oh...  that's what it was, "'it'" was trying to go through the yuzhen 玉枕, and since that gate is perhaps the biggest obstacle in the orbit to overcome, '"it'" was sort of chipping away at the passage...  and hair being in the way was, of course, a subjective interpretation of the sensations.)  

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Cats are also telepathic, capable of forming strong bonds with (the right) humans, dogs, each other, and sentimental objects -- a domestic cat's emotionality is not unlike ours, and they are strong empaths at that.  And judging by some behaviors I've observed in some cats, they are no strangers to abstract thinking. 

I may have posted this before -- apologies if it's a repeat.  This is the monument to Semyon the Traveling Cat installed in the city of Murmansk, Russia, and based on a true story.

In 1987, the Sinishin family, returning from a vacation in Moscow, accidentally lost their cat named Semyon who was traveling with them and, as cats do, ran out to explore at some point and got lost in the huge city.  Not knowing where to look, the family had to return home without him.  Semyon showed up at the doorstep of their home in Murmansk six years later, skinny and tired but successful in his incredible quest.  Murmansk is located two thousand kilometers away from Moscow (and a bit over a hundred kilometers away from the Arctic circle.)  The story got published in the local newspaper and received a resonance comparable to the story of the Japanese dog Hachiko, who became a symbol of fidelity and also merited a monument.  (The dog did the opposite of the traveling cat though -- he sat in one spot for years...  but you probably saw the movie with Richard Gere.)    

2 hours ago, Apech said:

Turmeric is really being pushed in my timeline.  Has anyone any experience with this?  Does it really reduce inflammation???

At the very least its curcurmin is a strong pigment, and many pigments of plant origin tend to reduce inflammation due to their antioxidant properties and ability to interact with inflammatory pathways. Anthocyanins in berries and grapes, carotenoids like lycopene in tomatoes and beta-carotene in carrots, etc..  I don't think it's a magic bullet but apparently it can contribute to the good causes.  I usually have a Vietnamese turmeric ointment on hand for mishaps like cuts and scrapes and use it instead of neosporin et al (which prevent infections but also impede and slow down the healing of wounds.) 

Internally it's supposed to be combined with piperine which potentiates its effectiveness.    

8 hours ago, Jenn said:

 

geese visit, fly south
blessed bird, hissy friend, of
cobra and chicken

Cobra and chicken.

A bazi reader at work

smiles: Six Harmonies.