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10 hours ago, Apech said:

 

Santinhos!  Tenhas doces para mim?

 

Portuguese sweets you mean... the conventual kind? They could be too much for you, remember that they were created by women who didn't have orgasms...however they found their way to "get there" somehow!

10 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

 the actual content of dreams are information which we could use to unlock energy and also as a guide on what to concentrate on - or which direction to develop in.  

 

 

This could be a quote by Carl Jung!

10 hours ago, Apech said:

  These too seem to point to some kind of significance - although it may be simply they demonstrate a connections to non-linear time (which was an idea I was going to talk about in the Khonsu-mes thread but haven't got round to it yet).

 

 

I'm sure it will be interesting.

On 15/10/2023 at 1:06 PM, Apech said:

 

What I'm really interested in is unlocking the information and energy in dreams through feeling and using this specifically as a path.  I know some on here do this and I wondered how they go about it.

I'm having difficulty in understanding what you mean by this... 

I think that an interesting thing to explore is the information regarding the future that dreams bring us. I would say that at least 70% percent of our dreams are premonitory. What can be a positive aspect of experiencing this is an increase of detachment and concern towards our personal life and  future. You realize that if events are somehow pre-written it makes no sense to "tense and struggle" that much.  Paradoxically this releases more energy to be applied in a positive way. You even get more tolerant regarding your personal imperfections. An example to ilustrate this: one morning, some 20 years ago,  I wake up and the last dream image that was on my mind was of a Capoeira group performing their acrobatic martial art. I remember that it was a tense morning with my at the time girlfriend. We're having a quarrel that gets worse and worse untill we start shouting at each other. To avoid things to escalate I leave the appartment furious and decide to take a bus to a park of my preference which is calm and soothing. During the bus ride I'm feeling bad for what had happened and especially that circumstances made me lose my self control and explode in rage. I get to the park... there on the lawned open apace what do I see? A group of Capoeira people performing their acrobatic martial art...

Spent quite some time, untill this day probably, 🙂 thinking of what had happened. One thing for sure, it was easier to forgive "my" (?)  bad temper after this experience.

Well... 

https://www.peepultree.world/livehistoryindia/story/living-culture/history-vs-mythology-it-is-not-fact-vs-fiction

5 hours ago, Apech said:

I'm starting this thread because I'm looking for information - I'm not an expert in this.  

 

But I just want to distinguish what I'm asking about and what I'mm not.  There are two areas I'm not really wanting to focus on, i.e.:

 

1.  Lucid Dreaming and Dream Yoga - I think these have been covered elsewhere and I see them as particular techniques for achieving something (worldly or not).

2. Jungian or Freudian dream analysis - while I can see the advantage in understanding the content of dreams I find the intellectual constructs around dream interpretation unhelpful (even though you can get some clues from here).

 

What I'm really interested in is unlocking the information and energy in dreams through feeling and using this specifically as a path.  I know some on here do this and I wondered how they go about it.

 

I've had a mixed history of success in this area - but mostly as a result of trying lucid dream techniques like dream diaries and so on.  In the end I found this unhelpful - it seems to me that through dreams our 'minds' or possibly our spirit is telling us things about ourselves and our situation.  Quite often I wake from a dream which seems significant - and that feeling stays for a short while but then, quite quickly afterwards I can't remember the dream at all or only parts of it.  I wish I could recapture more information from the dream.  I also have similar recurring dreams which seem to be about my state of health (or otherwise).

 

Anyway I would be interested in what people have to say about this.

 

 

On this matter I would advise anyone to start by first reading Carl Jungs autobiography, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections". It explains very well the process he went through discovering the alchemical symbology in his own dreams as well as other sacred symbology.

The works of Mircea Eliade are fascinating on this matter as well. They will make you realize that there are symbols willing to speak to you that were always present in your life and that you never noticed  🙂

So, if you're willing to sacrifice your sleep for some time and have a dream journal at your bedside table you will learn alot about yourself and mostly that what's sacred  and you feel is so far is indeed so near and so aware of you.

Some twenty years ago I've kept a dream journal for about two years and don't regret the investment.

3 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

Errrr no!

 

Lizzardy then, would you say?

2 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

 

The other mystery is the Set beast ... no one knows for sure what that was either:

 

Peacock head ??

11 hours ago, Nungali said:

... wild dog has the same tail as the Egyptian 'God' , the above dog doent have a tail like that , it does have the ear shape but the wild dog has a different ear shape .

Actually the experts say that the place of origin of the Pharaoh Hound is Malta, however a friend of mine used to have a black coloured one which was called Anubis. It was just like the picture.

9 hours ago, Apech said:

 but I would suggest some kind of hunting dog instead - breed unknown

I've been interested in dog breeds lately.

@Apech meet the Pharaoh Hound...

3 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Oh .... much more than that !

 

Its a 'development' from  3  to  4  and that is a 'Universal pattern'  .

 

Jung himself even 'developed it ' .... adding a fourth 'drive' to Freud's  basic  3  ( ie, Jung's  'religious instinct ' )

Indeed.

IMO what's interesting about CJ's therapy is having the re-connection to the sacred as the means to mental health. He would guide his patients on an exploration of their unconscious to find the divine/sacred in it.

18 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

The important four parts , or different entities are:

 

- the heart (ib, or ab)

- the ka

- the shade (shwt)

- the ba.

 

 

 

So that's probably from where Carl Jung took the quaternity concept, or it's confirmation. He noticed that it is present in dreams, it seems like there's always the number 4 in our dreams.

On 06/10/2023 at 5:09 PM, Taoist Texts said:

oh i understand:

you think that pointing that  'killing own family is bad',

A} brings  a worse karma than actually 'killing your family' as preached in whatever scriptures.

B}  worse karma than preaching the ' 'killing of own family'.

 

i see. thanks.

If we take a fundamentalist, literal approach to the text we could say in Arjuna's defense that he was in a do or die situation so, "family" in this context are those willing to kill him...at least we could say that Arjuna strugles with guilt just comtemplating the thought of killing his "family"...

However,

Being this a mythological text the fundamentalist, literal approach isn't the one to take as you very well know. As an example that would be the equivalent as saying that any scripture that has an image of a god (Saturn) devouring his son is evil per se.

Saturn-Francisco-de-Goya-Museo-del-Prado-Madrid.webp

1 hour ago, Taoist Texts said:

if there is a voice in one's head urging him to kill his family - i just hope he is institutionalized in time. any book that makes killing one's family a prerequisite to  'attain yoga: union with the divine' is satanic evil. I am sure many will disagree but for the saner amongst us: please dont drink the Kool-aid.

That is way out of context @Taoist Texts. I personally don't think it's good karma making such light comments towards other people's favourite scriptures.

14 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

he has a direct link to the Akashic record    

Indirect 😁

5 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

 

Where are you getting the better pics?  

Reddit and pinterest...not much left though.

20 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

Something that might interest you from the same papyrus is these scenes:

 

 

Sorry it's a bit blurred.

 

What you see reading left to right is Thoth presenting Osiris as judge of the dead with the results of the weighing of the heart. 

 

 

This might help.

18 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

Most Egyptologists are pretendy scientists and not Hermticists at all

 

Had no idea.

12 hours ago, Apech said:

  My thesis ( which most Egyptologists would not accept) is that they describe a form of what we might call energy work - something like neidan perhaps, thoughh of course quite different in some ways.

 

 

 

 

Hope you had a lovely time in Bussaco 🙂

The idea that I have is that most Egyptologists are Hermetists 🤔 if not for that what's the point of studying Egyptology anyway 😁

I really love Mircea Eliade's writings and curiously found this passage that just can't avoid sharing:

"What we find as soon as we place ourselves in the perspective of religious man of the archaic societies is that the world exists because it was created by the gods, and that the existence of the world itself "means" something, "wants to say" something, that the world is neither mute nor opaque, that it is not an inert thing without purpose or significance. For religious man, the cosmos "lives" and "speaks." The mere life of the cosmos is proof of its sanctity, since the cosmos was created by the gods and the gods show themselves to men through cosmic life. This is why, beginning at a certain stage of culture, man conceives of himself as a microcosm. He forms part of the gods' creation; in other words, he finds in himself the same sanctity that he recognizes in the cosmos. It follows that his life is homologized to cosmic life; as a divine work, the cosmos becomes the paradigmatic image of human existence. To cite a few examples: We have seen that marriage is valorized as a hierogamy of heaven and earth. But among the cultivators, the homology earth-woman is still more complex. Woman is assimilated to the soil, seed to the semen virile, and agricultural work to conjugal union. 'This woman has come like living soil: sow seed in her, ye men!" says the Atharva Veda (XIV, 2, 14). "Your women are as fields for you" (Koran, II, 225). A sterile queen laments, "I am like a field where nothing grows!" On the contrary, in a twelfth-century hymn the Virgin Mary is glorified as "ground not to be plowed, which brought forth fruit" (terra non arabilis quae fructum parturiit). "

(...)

" The existence of homo religious especially of the primitive, is open to the world; in living, religious man is never alone, part of the world fives in him. But we cannot say, as Hegel did, that primitive man is "buried in nature," that he has not yet found himself as distinct from nature, as himself. The Hindu who, embracing his wife, declares that she is Earth and he Heaven is at the same time fully conscious of his humanity and hers. The Austroasiatic cultivator who uses the same word, lak, to designate phallus and spade and, like so many other agriculturalists, assimilates seed to the semen virile knows perfectly well that his spade is an instrument that he made and that in tilling his field he performs agricultural work involving knowledge of a certain number of techniques. In other words, cosmic symbolism adds a new value to an object or action, without affecting their peculiar and immediate values."

🙂

29 minutes ago, Michael Sternbach said:

 

You do have my attention.

 

Same here 🧐