MIchael80

Hi!

You can contact them: http://kundalinicare.com

they are an old lineage that works with people who have kundalini problems.

I am not sure that you have that but could be. All the best

17 hours ago, KuroShiro said:

 

For example health problems that run in a family are considered pre-natal.

Pre-natal is what we inherit from our parents and ancestors, it is present in our parents before we are conceived, and is also in us after we are born.

 

Is this correct?

Yes that is pre-natal. I is a kind of karmic inheretance.

clearing of it is not easy but very worth it.

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11 minutes ago, Jessup2 said:

Jing is often named as Pre-birth, Pre-heaven chi, or Sexual energy...

Is this a correct statement?

 

There is pre-heaven jing and post heaven jing. Jing is stored chi so to say and it is also used for the creation of the physical body, hence it is used up in the production of cells and fuids and in providing chi. post-heaven is from this side of creation (food, air,etc.) pre-heaven is much more subtle and can only be perceived when ones perception is very refined. To replenish and work with the pre-heaven is the work of alchemical systems of which neidan is one. best

13 hours ago, gendao said:

Very interesting site.  Do you need facilitators to work with - and if so, how exactly does that work?

Or can you also DIY?

Hi!

No you can do it your own. I just felt it needed here. There are Lots of vids on YouTube and also several books available. Merry Xmas! :-)

One of the essences of spirituality is that you have your joy within yourself but that it is clouded by our emotional and mental imprinting (you said you have no joy without yoga; you need something outside yourself to feel good).....so we need to release those imprintings and the joy will always be there.

Your doing yoga is a form of spiritual bypassing. What you feel when you not do yoga is your imprinting, your karma etc (however you want to call it).....that is your true experience right now. Also things like "you are a loser because you have no girl friend" etc......you have a lot of clearing to do and you should stay away from things like meditating over the picture of a guru, cause guess what? You will become more aware of your stuff and not less.

Kundalini will usually awaken naturally if one does not force it with certain techniques.

I would suggest you work with one of the living inquiries fascilitators to release some of the negativity you carry and stop doing intense stuff like you did. When you clear you will find that you do not need anything to feel joy and peacefull and this work will lead over time to deeper and deeper states of awareness in a very balanced way.

https://www.livinginquiries.com/

https://www.livinginquiries.com/facilitators/

All the best

Michael

Quote: Yukteswar’s correction* brought the Yugas back into a rising and falling cycle that aligns with the cycle of the ages and with what we call The Great Year in the west, the approx. 25,000 year cycle of the precession of the equinoxes**. In this model, Kali is only 1,200 years long. We passed through the trough in 500 AD (the Dark Ages) and are now about 311 years into the second age, Dwapara Yuga, the bronze or energy age***.

He summarizes the memes with 3 terms: (dates are for the current ascending cycle)
Satya – Golden: (7700 – 12,500 AD ascending, then a similar period descending)
Self realization, direct intuitive perception, consciousness

Treta – Silver: (4100 – 7700 AD)
Self-mastery, intuitive attunement, thought awareness

Dwapara – Bronze: (1700 – 4100 AD (current))
(enlightened) Self-interest, awakened intellect (science), energy (flow, intuition)

Kali – Iron: (500 – 1700AD ascending after a similar decent from 700 BC)
Passive acceptance, dull-mindedness, matter awareness
This period was more uncultured than now. But not before that.

Hi Arramu!

As far as i understand it: Mo pai is not a neidan system.

The system in this book is very powerful but is a totally different tradition than neidan (and mopai as far as i understand it).

All the best!

Hi!

Cannot answer your question.

But prenatal is not preheaven, prenatal is during pregnancy and before birth, pre-heaven is the energies before they become "corrupted" by this world and its duality.

In Neidan (only in the schools that have the full transmission) there are very secret techniques that can replenish Yuan jing and Yuan chi (this is done by ming gong).

All the best

Michael

LIberation has nothing to do with xing and ming or anything......it is beyond words, feelings and all energies (even the most subtle or highest ones).

Hi shortstuff!

IT IS best to Not View awakening AS a escape....IT can be used for it but with the Same devastating results AS in the unawake state.

Everything that Happens to US is required....Not what we want....but required. IT IS Not about what Happens, but what the external Event is triggering within us (what words, pictures and Feelings).

Therapy can be useful in the beginning as IT has a stabilizing effect....but IT does Not solve Things AS IT IS Not a disolving Work.

What you need to learn is Not escapeing Your Experience but fully Meeting IT. 

To learn that I would suggest Reading Michael Browns the presence process ....but Not doing IT...and watching some of His vids.

And Look into Scott Kilobys living inquries...but Same here ..do Not do them alone....Work with a living inquries fascilitator together to untangle that huge negativ Charge within....then the outer live will Change for the better and you will realize Life was never against you, but was Just trying to geht Your attention.

All the best 

Michael

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

 

Being peaceful will not stop those with intent to kill you.  Sorry but just examine history.  If you want peace you have to be in a position of strength.  We have to be realistic.

1 hour ago, Chang said:

As always your posts appear the epitome of reason and sound common sense.

 

 

But appearance is not always reality.

 

 

What you fail to accept is that Islam is simply not happy to follow its own way and happily co-exist with followers of other religions or no religion at all.

 

 

Muslims are told to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination.

 

 

I know from previous posts that you are fully aware of this fact and yet you still suggest that the west is in some way to blame for what Muslims are honour bound to do - subjugate, convert or kill unbelievers. The most that far right groups can expect to achieve is spur Muslims on to a more fundamentalist manner of following their Prophets wishes.

 

 

I do not doubt that you are good man Michael and your posts remind me of a prayer I repeat often. "May God protect us from good men."

 

Good posts!

And lets not forget the simple knowledge that most islamic terror attack deaths are other muslims.

So they kill not for the wars the west brought unto the middle east, they kill all which they deem not real muslims.

They have done that for a long time and only dictators were able to keep them in a kind of weird balance. Since the west has removed these dictators the middle east shows its ugly face.

33 minutes ago, Aetherous said:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/17239/watch-london-mayor-asked-about-400-jihadis-still-amanda-prestigiacomo#

How on Earth is this guy still in his position? Note that he also was the criminal defendant for numerous terrorists prior to becoming Mayor.

the UK have a serious political correctness Problem. do you know the Rotherham scandal? Where 1400 Girls have been raped and the Police did nothing because they feared being called racist?

Or that in certain parts of Citys the have sharia Courts?

When conservative christians walk with crosses through muslim populated Areas and the muslims get aggressive then the Police Comes to take the christians away to prison, not the muslims who tried to hit them etc.

Also there is a large muslim Population in London.

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26 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

True.  The migration of Jews back to their "homeland" started in the late 1800.  Many Jews saw what Europe was coming to with its anti-Semitic philosophy.  Even Nietzsche saw it!

 

But I still content that the UN establishment of Israel was a result of WWII.

 

I avoid a lot of things I prefer to not talk about.  Nothing new.

 

So perhaps the Moslems should re-write the Koran like the Christians did with the Bible?

 

I would say that Islam is in desperate Need of re-writing/Reformation. (as was christianity)

But, as i wrote, the Reformers (which are only very few) have a really hard time.

the earlier part of the Koran was the peaceful one, and the later was the aggressive one, but according to Islam, later is better, so they have a real Problem here.

the bible is different in that the old Testament is also very cruel, but the new one is very peaceful.

When we see how Islam has crippled the middle east in every aspect of Society and we see that Happening in every Country which turns to Islam (right now we see that Indonesia becomes more and more radical) the only way is a Reformation, but as Long as most muslims do not Support that it will be very hard.

Hi Spotless!

Since you have so much openings and mergings i have a question: has you physical body de-aged or rejuvanated(at least a little)?

Just ask because one sometimes hears that one will look much younger and live much longer when the energy system is that developed.

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/

I am a sick of this terrorism.

europe was really safe until a few years ago and now this (besides the spikes in rapes etc.)

I have known a lot of muslims, most of which i was good friends. but when we talked deeper about certain topics it was clear that they have a very different worldview than us westerners.

Yes, the west has done horrible things in the middle east and i oppose that. BUT muslim invasions have happened the last 1400 years. Many do not know that the first crusades happened actually to fight back the islamic invasion.

We only have to look at islamic countries all over the world to see that they have very few in common with our worldview. And we have to look how hard islamic reformers are persecuted, they have to live with bodyguards 24/7.

How can anyone think that these people come to the west and just leave their social programming behind?

Muslims are allways the hardest to integrate population in every country that is a non-muslim country.

and we here in europe and the west feel guilty for everything now (in sweden and in germany women felt guilty for going to the police after being brutally raped by muslims; or the rotherham scandal). And because of this mass guilt we give up all our values in the name of tolerance. Now on social media and the mainstream media they will tell us again that the real victims are muslims and that islamophobia is the real problem.

I am sick of it!

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Have not watched the video just read was Edward has written.

From my personal expierence and of those i know who had a real full kundalini awakening to say that " the kundalini awakens the chakras and moves from bottom to top" is over simplified and mostly wrong.

How the kundalini awakens depends on the unique situation, there are several healthy flows possible. In my case it opened the heart and flowed into the head and then back down.

What kundalini does is mostly a clearing and breaking down of the structure we experience as the individual self and a clearing of the whole energy system. there could be a reeinforcement but that makes the process very uncomfortable....because one has to surrender or the energy burns the system or it goes back to sleep (if one is lucky).

Siddhis may awaken but do not have to.

For a lot of people the spiritual heart awakens after the kundalini process is finished and the descent of the divine into form happens.

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Michael

What we see in women is our own unintegrated interal turmoil (in the emotional body). They are clear mirrors and reflect back our own unintegrated issues. Once we integrate our inner condition they will not have to reflect it back to us and the "battle of the sexes" disolves into harmony.

You will not find a real answer to your problem because it is the thinking mind wanting to get rid of your fear. Integrate the fear by fully feeling it and the whole mental story will collapse.

Fear is not a good teacher.

best!

Hi Liminal luke!

In his Q&A's (not online anymore) Michael Brown advised that if no bathtube is available to use a shower (maybe that is even in the book) and shower over your chest area. But bathtube is more powerful, but for the beginning it should work with the shower pretty well.

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I have been a great fan of Michael Browns work (the presence process and his follow ups) because it mirrored so much of what i have been taught from within when my kundalini awakened.

I have suggested it here on the forum  several times as for me it is the work to mature us as humans and i think we need maturity in this world.

It is clear from amazon comments and personal experience with others that one really needs to be ready for this work because we do everything we can to avoid our "inner hell".

I would also say it is very important to follow the process exactly like Michael Brown says and also very important is that the activation statement (the statement we make prior to the process) consists a lot of the word "gentle" :-)

the only thing i do not like with his work is he is too anti-mental. I can understand why (because it is important to get out of the story) but for me he has taken that a bit too far. that is why i suggest to also explore Scott Kilobys work also (same work but from  an different angle and more gentle)

Hi Spotless!

the road to hell is paved with good intentions......phui i am glad mine were "best"

Yes, my writting definitly has not the quality of yours.

I was not talkling about an "i" clinging. these clinging is a subtle contraction and slows or stops growth in consciousness. It comes because "it" is so absolute and "full stoping" and the seeker being gone that there comes a "this is it". And the conctraction comes in.

This phenomena is very common amongst awake people and has even been researched by Jeffrey Martin. Also in Indian texts it is stated that one has to "desire" more for evolution in consciousness to happen. Most awake people stay in their awakeness (they may deepen but stay in the same field) and consider their awakness to be the highest (according to Dr. Martin). A lot of neo-advaita teachers even ridicule further evolution in consciousness yet into the unfolding beyond consciousness.

that is what i meant.

Here a good article about clearing post awakening (not in detail but more the overall process) from an very awake friend: http://davidya.ca/2017/04/04/drive-into-flow/

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michael

Hi!

I usually logged in with my facebook account. And for a few days now that is not possible. there comes a page with "you are not allowed to log in".

My facebook account has no problems.

Any ideas?

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michael

It's good to see this issue being tackled directly by Scott Kiloby, it looks like he's doing some good work around it.

 

Still it seems harder to do it this way around - 'awaken' and remove self-will (as in the emailed question here http://kiloby.com/the-essence-of-embodiment/ )and then have to work on the 'embodied' problems while feeling lethargic about it, instead of working on the embodied issues first while the will remains strong, and once they are resolved then 'awakening'.

 

This to me is a very good reason to start work on the LDT first, not last.

Hi Bindi!

Yes, Scott does a wonderful work!

Self will is gone for a while in ones perception, but if there is openness a curiousity is there and this work will continue. After awakening there is this okness as spotless called it but the curiousity will come back if one does not cling to "being done".

almaas with his daimond approach talks a lot about this and calls it endless enlightenment.

there are phases where it feels like one is never going to to do any inner work again, but then it comes back. :-)

A lot of the lack of will to do inner work after awakening does not come from the fact that self will is gone (it actually re-emerges in an integrated way) but just comes from resistance to what is in this body mind vehicle. (just like before awakening)

Scott told me that he has met awakened people who bypassed their emotions with the thought "i accept everything as it is".

but as you said, it is good to start with this work as soon as possible, because the rewards are endlessly enriching. I suggest sort of a combination of Scott Kilobys approach and that of Michael Brown (the presence process) with a little of Almaas diamond approach inquiry for a start and over time it developes by itself for oneself in the best way possible.

All the best

Michael

Hi dwai!

Yes old patterns arise, because the shift to awakening only kills some karma/conditioning.

the clearing works just before: become aware of the thought story, allow it but do not follow it....then of the emotion underneath it. Allow that emotion, embrasse it, feel it, be with it unconditionally.....it will be digested in its own time. (do not act upon the emotion)

Allow all thoughts and pictures to arise but the emotion is the most crucial part.

Dont worry if the focus narrows down a bit, allow that also, it will help you not getting attached to the awakeness.(which would block further unfolding in consciouness itself).

Sometimes you will have to inquire gently (sometimes just with intent and other times with a mental question) to uncover all the drivers.

Being in the awake state makes it possible to clear it all and very deeply....that will transform more than the awakening itself.

This process is often called embodiment by modern teachers.

Scott KIloby talks a lot about the stuff that comes up after awakening. for a first look here some articles: http://kiloby.com/category/writings/

hope that helps

all the best

MIchael

Do not follow the thoughts when triggered, become Aware of them and then become aware of the Emotion underneath it.

welcome the Emotion...., feel it, .....be with it unconditionally, .....allow it fully.....without acting on it or thinking about it (if there are thoughts about it do not follow them)

the Emotion will be digested in its own time.

When the Emotion is gone so will be thougths (the Emotion drives the thougts).

In case of Trauma, very carefully undo one inner Picture and the underlying Emotion at a time. Do not start with traumas

Look into Michael Browns "the presence process" and into Scott Kilobys "the living inquiries".

best

MIchael