MIchael80
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On 11.4.2025 at 4:48 PM, Turnip said:How do you know that preheaven jing is replenished in high level Vortexhealing classes? Is this just a hunch of yours or does Vortexhealing specifically speak of replenishing preheaven jing?
You could be more friendly.. here on a public forum.
They specifically speak of it.
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On 18.3.2025 at 3:33 PM, johndoe2012 said:Maybe we should have another thread for higher levels of Flying Phoenix.
Anyway, I am getting really good results using a combination of Flying Phoenix different levels according to my intuition and sensing, VortexHealing and dzogchen. I have a been a VortexHealing practitioner since 2015 and received dzogchen transmissions since 2013.
This helps reaching higher state in FP. VortexHealing from removing blockages more precisely and also because VortexHealing is a awakening and healing lineage and dzogchen for reaching a deeper state of emptiness and non-clinging.
My feeling is a combination of practices can result in full Buddhahood and Immortality, realization of non duality and the Dao.
Today I did 2 San Gong meditations followed by 3 different Golden Lotus FP, long form from level 1 and msw 60 70 40 5 from level 1.
Total clarity with no suffering and full of joy.
Hi! 😊
What level (class) have you done in Vortexhealing? In high classes awakening happens and preheaven jing is replenished.
All the best
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15 hours ago, Sinai said:well i will humbly ask them and tell my problem, all of my problems to reach this stage. i will send them any documents like NDA for which i don't share details of them, practices, also i won't teach them neither i have intent to do so also i will tell them about my problem from my own country, with path i have walked, my achievements, i will reveal anything i have, anything i can to do to get their trust, i let them know to consider me as their little brother or little son. well that's all i have
Hi!
Did not read everything sorry if i missed something. Nathan Brine is still giving workshops in Vancouver. Have you sent him an email?
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13 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:Some people are pretty easily led and hasty though Micheal, especially these days with attention spans..
it sounds like an incredibly niche operation. Certainly fascinating.
Michael did I see you were sharing about Xing and Ming. It is an interesting topic. Can I ask would you switch back and forth in the same day cultivating both, is that normal operation in daily practice would you say?
I get you. But cuddeling adults more and more is not the answer. And how many got harmed by Meditation and Qigong?
It is niche and very dangerous without the transmission how its done but we as adults should be able to talk about it in a normal way.
You should ask shadow self about that...he is much deeper in that practices.
From my point of view it depends on the stage you are at. The earlier stages are more ming the later more xing but usually there is a bit of both in all the stages (except the very high ones).
And the elixir unites them.
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5 minutes ago, forestofclarity said:Mod note
Regarding mercury:
Mutually respectful discussion on the topic is welcome.
Due to the highly toxic nature of mercury and mercury containing compounds, including cinnabar, we feel that the potential for misuse and harm is high, consequently advocating or encouraging the ingestion of such compounds is not acceptable here and may be grounds for administrative action.
Thanks for your cooperation.
I said that mercury is deadly and did not encourage anyone.
Only alchemical prepared is good. Dont understand your note. Besides all here are adults and not 5 years old.
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4 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:So are you saying it's ingested in very small quantities mixed with lead.
that's incredible, so it's a precise poison that Kickstarts a process in the body as a medicine.
makes sense in a way. Any idea how it works physiologically? Blood, liver, or another organ? Is there any understanding of the pathways it takes to the root of the problems at all?
No that is not what i said.
I said that mercury is poisonous in its usual state. If one knows the alchemical preparation it is not poisonous anymore (same for lead).
Then it becomes very life enhancing and is the basis of the external elixir = philosophers stone.
Well the pathway is energetic. It clears the illness underlying karmic pattern, the suppressed emotions that are part of it, the karmic debt ascociated with it. Seems to clear (or kill?) bad bacteria, viruses etc. And has strong body rebuilding effects.
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1 minute ago, ChiDragon said:That's great. I hope they will have a long life.
Since some of them where very sick and on the brick of death and then cured.
I guess they enjoy each day with gratitude.
Alchemical prepared mercury gives extremly long life.
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8 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:
Did your true teacher put mercury into his cocktail and enjoy a good night sleep?This true teacher healed a lot of people with mercury (proberly prepared).
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8 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:This was a recipe for external alchemy(外丹術). It uses lead(鉛) and mercury(汞) in the process. It was deadly. Hence, Taoists dropped the external practice and went to adopted the internal alchemy which known as Neidan method(內丹術).
That is untrue!
External alchemy still exists in some schools (also in India) and is very powerful.
The external elixir = the red philosophers stone.
Yes, mercury is used and it is deadly if you do not have a true teacher of these arts. If you have it is very powerful.
Idiots who thought they can learn that from books or find it out by themselves of course found out they could not.
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30 minutes ago, forestofclarity said:It is interesting that the character dan also refers to the color red, which in Western alchemy is the earthward manifesting (i.e. rubedo) of pure heavenly energies. Purity is generally represented by gold.
I wonder if there is a different meaning depending on whether one is cultivating health, longevity, spiritual power, or realization.
Interesting!
Didnt know that it could mean red.
In external alchemy the highest form of the external elixir is red.
The external elixir is more commonly know as philosophers stone. And the highest form is the red stone.
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12 hours ago, forestofclarity said:A lot of people talk about neidan and dan tian but it is not clear to me by what people mean by dan, 丹.
So what do you all mean? It seems that definitions vary widely and that people sort of talk past each other on this issue. It seems fairly important.
A few sample definitions are provided at Golden Elixir:
https://www.goldenelixir.com/terms/jindan.html
Note: I didn't ask "which one path is right, and how is every other path wrong" nor "who is right and who is an ignoramus in these arts." I'm curious as to what the different paths say.
Hi!
Shadow selfs different dans is a good list as far as i am aware. Though most are minor dans or stages of variations of an unfolding process.
But different traditions have different definitions.
Usually the highest is the golden elixir...this comes from merging of xing and ming...wich means merging of yuanshen with yuanqi.(but even that can vary).
In the traditions i know yuanshen is soul. So the soul merges with ming (=yuanqi =life battery).
Soul/yuanshen is preheaven yin.
Ming/yuanqi is preheaven yang.
Once they merge it becomes pure yang.
This golden elixir matures into the yangshen and brings changes in awareness. (But as i said, different traditions follow different processes).
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3 minutes ago, forestofclarity said:Because it has form.
Ah ok...understood!
Yeah i also was suprised that he equated the jade fluid with yuanjing.
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1 minute ago, forestofclarity said:If I had to guess, because Damo is using "pre-celestial" in a relative way instead of in an ultimate way.
Also because it is Damo.
Hi!
I cannot follow you. What do you mean he is using it in a relativ way and not absolute?
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6 minutes ago, Sahaja said:This is test. Am posting something relevant to the topic that will be controversial. Let’s see if we can have a discussion without it’s my way or the highway coming up.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_1m_Kuurou/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
it’s kind of sad when the subject is spiritual and people devolve to trying to prove they are right and drown out the efforts of all to learn. It’s also sad when people are presented with new information they are unwilling to reconsider their views given that the concept of change is at the base of the approach being discussed. Perhaps an acknowledgement to agree to disagree and accepting the reality of different views would be more in line with the topic of discussion if change is unacceptable. Don’t have to hold hands and sing kumbha ya but it’s also pretty ridiculous to argue and resort to anger given the topic.
Quite a good and advanced clip
Why do you think this is controversial?
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2 hours ago, ChiDragon said:Oh, a new invention of Neidan. It's wonderfully, so, you are saying that the post-neidan is the reversal of the pre-neidan.
Neidan has never worked with jing, chi, shen. Working with the 3 is preparation phase.
Neidan works with pre-heaven(yuan) jing chi and shen ....which is something very different.
Hope that helps
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Hi!
On daodeqigong.com you can learn ancient northern neidan method of yuxian pai and later northern method (the most famous neidan....sitting meditation) of wuliu pai.
On daode.ru you can now even learn the ancient northern method of wuliu pai (said to be Lao Tse method).
All the best
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9 hours ago, Dedicated said:"Azoth was believed to be the essential agent of transformation in alchemy. It is the name given by ancient alchemists to mercury, which they believed to be the animating spirit hidden in all matter that makes transmutation possible" I looked up Wikipedia
The universal agent is not mercury.
Mercury is the basic component of the socalled philosophers stone. Though practically you can make stone from minerals, herbs etc.
In srictures mercury is called the supreme substances for making it....but one should really know how or it is deadly.
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On 12.3.2024 at 6:11 PM, roamthevoid said:I've heard from a certain teacher that there are alchemical herbs that can replenish the Jing and therefore assist one's cultivation.
I'd be interested to know what they are or where I can find more info.
Hi!
From what i was taught is that there are no alchemical herbs BUT alchemical prepared herbs.
Through alchemical preparation their qualities are enhanced dramatically (and sometimes changed).
Mercury for ex. is highly toxic but when one was taught the alchemical secret it becomes lifespan lengthenging, rejuvinating and healing.
Simple form of herbs alchemy that is common today is spagyric. They have replenishing formulas but do not use chinese terms.
Hope that helps a bit.
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6 hours ago, Master Logray said:WLP stands a lot? They are using standing as the base? not sitting? Standing cannot go deep enough and while it is useful to kick start as you say.
Hi!
WLP is not one method but a school who preserves different neidan approaches.
1. Broad (later) northern alchemy method: which is the most publicly known neidan method as it is less restricted.... basically sitting meditation similiar (not the same) to quianfeng pai (taoist yoga book)
2. ancient northern method: really old method which was until recently only taught heart to heart and not much written down. WLP has opened that one under strict rules to the public. This is mostly standing practice but other ancient northern methods like Yuxian pai use sitting after preparation and mingrefillment.
3. ancient southern method: the oldest and most powerful one still only taught privately because it needs constant supervision. Only standing til the last stage (emptiness to dao) which is done sitting.
Hope that helps
Michael
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6 minutes ago, Yae said:Being ignorant and denying things is not a valid argument. You've said nothing of any substance.
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Of course is denying something an arguement.
You made claims....i said yuxian pai does not do anything remotely what is described in that book.
I also said what you said about wuliu pai is not true either.
The only one not saying anything of value at all is not me.
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9 minutes ago, Yae said:What nonsense is that 😂 I said I have experience in multiple schools, not that each of them does exactly what this books says. Next question
Yes tree trunks often have branches. Is there any point to showing us you know the names of tree branches?
Well you said "that you have quite a lot of experiences with yuxian pai and less with wuliu pai" and that they are "quite relatable". But yuxian pai does nothing even remotely similiar to anything in this book.
And what i mentioned about Wuliu pai has nothing to do with branches from a tree at all.
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On 14.3.2024 at 12:22 AM, Yae said:Also I have quite a lot of experience with the Yu Xian Pai and less so in the Wu Liu Pai lineages, and in other schools, and these methods seem rather relatable such that I don't see much need for caution. Meditating on the LDT and circulating the MCO are pretty normal. And the added part of stealing the ingredient is backed by some of the biggest Taoist texts in existence, assuming the translation and interpretation are right. It may exist in higher levels of the lineages I have experience in, I just haven't gotten there in them yet to see, although I couldn't tell about it if I had
Really?
Where in Yuxian pai do you sit while meditating on the dantien?
What kind of Wuliu pai method? Ancient northern, ancient southern or broad northern method?
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8 hours ago, daojones said:Curious to know if anybody has experience getting a stellate ganglion block for ptsd?
https://daveasprey.com/stellate-ganglion-block-ptsd/
I saw in this article the dr also hydrodissected the vagus nerve which also seems like that would be very beneficial.Hi! 😊
I think such things are for people who do not want to do inner work.... for all the others trauma can be an immense growth factor given one works in a supportive setting with one of the great somatic modalities available.
Things like EMDR
Somatic experiencing
EP (embodied processing)
KI (Kiloby inquiries)
Irene Lyons work (a very effective mixture of different somatic pratices).
Etc
Because with these medical interventions you learn nothing about your physiology, how to process emotions, how to get into contact with your body etc.
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2 hours ago, freeform said:
could you point me to some information from that tradition? (Books/teachers etc) - always curious about this stuff.4 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:Halo Michael. Thats good to know, thanks. I am probably mistaken. Would you happen to know the names of the mco or the channel in the native languages?
Hi!
@Taoisttext ... would have to look inside the book. Translation was fire (up the back) and water (down the front).
Palpandian "siddhas - masters of nature".
It is on amazon.
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Sifu Dan LaRochelle and the Rizzo brothers
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Hey, thanks for your apologies! That shows greatness! 🙏😊
The yuan chi refillment is not exclusive to China. Tamil siddha tradition (south india) has it too...there are even non public buddhist lineages that have it.
Vortexhealing started in India over 5000 years ago.
I have worked with several high level healers across the globe but Vortexhealing stands out as a healing and awakening path.
The prenatal and constitutional energies refillment starts in the higher classes (called "Jewel" and especially in "Merlins grace"). You can download a class describtions PDF from from their website.
Go on YouTube and check out a few Interviews with Ric Weinman the lineage holder to get more clarity for yourself if this could be a path for you or not.
All the best on your way!