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Hi ! Are people who have attained (in the way you spoke about ) the 4th Jhannas or higher in the public? All the best Michael

They teach 4 methods. Yuxian pai Wuliu pai northern method and southern method Method of the first emperors (only for a few select teachers)

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That is oral tradition! .... you are not allowed to write that down. 😂

The Tamil siddhas have ida and pingala (which is sun and moon) and also the fire and water channel (which is what daoists call the mco) ... both Yin and Yang systems must be worked on. 😊 Preheaven/alchemical mco is different.

72 hours in samadhi!!???? Wow !! 😲😲 My deepest respect! 🙏🙏 Just being in samadhi or "doing" some alchemical work there? Any idea what instructions you are getting after that? (Just in general)

Classically these external elixirs were often used by yogis to prolong life and thereby having more time to practice, to ward of disease and to deepen transformation. If you use chi it is also external and you bring it into your body through certain practices. While one can do a lot of alchemical stuff the original external elixir (wai dan aka philosophers stone) is made from mercury (cinnabar). It can be detoxed and made into something divine. The metals are not charged (but can be) they are brought through the alchemical process and so they become the golden elixir (aka philosophers stone). From my experience it very much supports cultivation greatly....gives a strong boost but one should be very careful. There are safe ways to use it ... like wearing the white stone around your neck or putting it into water and drinking that water.

Do you still practice it?

Beautifully put. ❤❤❤

Fascinating!!! 😊 I am always amazed how different the same terms are used. In these 2 schools earth immortal means you can live as long as the earth exists.....hence earth immortal. But you would still need to reincarnate again if you would have been killed by an accident. What you describe with forming a body etc would be possible when becoming a spiritual immortal.

Very interesting! How different schools frame their path!!! In yuxian pai and wuliu pai physical immortality is on the way to heavenly immortality and a sign of going in the right direction. Their evolution goes like.... First human immortal .... after laying the foundations (body open etc. yuan jing and chi are fully replenished) earth immortal .... this means xing and ming have joined and that is the beginning of the elixir...that means physical immortality Then heavenly immortality...the elixir has matured to become the yangshen exiting the body. spiritual immortality....physical body is disolved into light only yangshen remains.

Hi! Beautiful article!!!!! What are the "heavens in the palace of the 3 treasures in our body"? 😊

Well ... waidan is not drugs, minerals etc. Waidan is the external elixir more commonly known as the philosophers stone. It is basically the same process as the internal elixir (=neidan) Immortality of the physical body is no goal in neidan....it is a byproduct of correct practice of a complete method. All these things you mention are explicitly stated as not leading to neidan results (in alchemical texts) .

No and no. All these terms are very well defined within true neidan lineages. Xing is yuan shen Ming is yuan jing/chi In neidan you only work with pre-heaven substances....if you work with jing and chi and shen you are still in the preparation phase and actual alchemy has not started yet. Earl grey is spot on here. 😊

Because ancient approach to neidan is not about samadhi. It is not about realizing the dao but about repairing the dao within a person by creating the pre-heaven elixir (re-unification of xing and ming) and only that leads to the neidan effects.... ....People who achieve samadhi are not living hundreds of years nor are they healthy so not much transformation of the body has taken place. There is no book that talks about the ancient approach of neidan. Freeform has also pointed out that in his neidan lineage samadhi is used to further the whole process by using "substances" that can only be accessed in samadhi...but samadhi is not an end goal nor does everything happen on its own.

😂😂😂....he is a scamer of the highest order. Has been around the Internet for almost 10 years i guess. He always sells "special hidden knowledge" he got from special super masters in the mountains..... at first he sold secret techniques of kriya yoga that he got from babaji himself...for just 10 000 USD. 😂 Later he had a website where he sold dozens of secret daoist paths. And now this...but he always finds people who are willing to pay. But that he still does this after all this years ... he got a drive for his scam.😂

The whole text shows not one inch of true neidan knowledge...it is just endless bable. And of course it is Aussar.....from the true kriya yoga he sold for 10 000 USD to neidan and neigong. Interesting is that he starts the scam over and over again.

Hi freeform! What is the name of this spiritual substance behind the shen ming light? All the best 😊

Thanks freeform that is really interesting and fascinating!!! Thanks for your sharing. 🙏 I have never heard that before even though i got teachings on different levels within the chakra and that its core is the "real deal" so to say. Do you use them in your school? What kind of transformation do you think about when you say "one would have to leave society"?

Hi freeform! Very interesting.... I would be interested what you mean with true chakras?

Thanks for the links. Andrew Hewson also has his own view on this unfolding. It is unique but compares well with Davids approach. The videos these two did about the stages and other aspects are quite good. All the best 😊

That is why it cannot be talked about dwai. 😊 Even less then about awakening.... It is still seldom and as you have seen i do not much talk about what is here. I use links to people much better with words than i am. I invite you again to Davids blog or his talks with Andrew Hewson on YouTube (they discuss that to the best of their ability there). You can also write David .... he has taken years to put that into words and he always answers questions. Or read Davids book. You could read Lornes book also (he wrote the Link i posted) To answer your question....which cannot be answered .... you cannot and being/SELF absolute awareness cannot...only by realizing / becoming that which lies beyond ... it is "known" only by itself. With that i end that here. All the best on your way! 😊

How should that be described other than with words? It is only word games because you are closed to that shift....that is the word used...not perspective but shift. That word implies a change in our self perception. First being an individal, then presence, then pure awareness and then that which lies beyond. And with Supreme reality ..the same ...it has nothing to do with self or awareness. (And the article states that very clearly) Read it more slowly....all you describe is what in that article is called self realization. Beyond awareness is no void, no self, no knowing, no perception.....as there is no awareness. Besides that i have provided different sources....like the vids from David Buckland where he talks with Andrew Hewson about those shifts.

Hi! No not at all. That is why it is so seldom talked about...and that is why i posted a link to the stages....from the 4th state to absolute awareness to beyond. Because that is the perception...it has no limits etc....that is the reality of being awake..there can not be something beyond it. But it can . Just like someone in an Ego state cannot imagine the absolute awareness (and will deny that if he is not into spirituality) so is it not possible for someone awake in absolute awareness to imagine something beyond.(and will also deny further possibilty). Only humility will do ....that no matter how limitless absolute awareness is ...maybe there is "something " more. And that is experienced as loosing absolut awareness...and it is often a shock in the beginning but then slowly a new understanding dawns.

Hi! I still havent figured out how to quote parts 😂😂 So i will reply just in order... I would say the body is the aware subject...the Body has it just forgotten so to say...but it can also remember. I named several awake teachers and people. Davids Blog is davidya.ca... the vids can be found by just searching him on YouTube. The vids together with teacher Andrew Hewson are also on his YouTube channel. Lorne and Lucia Hoff are on lucialorn.net The others can be googled. https://www.lucialorn.net/states-of-consciousness Here they try to describe this unfolding starting from the 4th state through absolut awareness, to awareness recognizing itself to be the same as the appearances within it to beyond absolute awareness. Hope you enjoy it.😊 I would say that the subject as you called it sees this world through the eyes....if the eyes are injured no seeing of this world. No turiyata ... Not the 4. ... as you say in awareness alone. I spoke about beyond that...he called it "prior to awareness " parapraman. I am not much into him ...just read that at the end of his live he spoke about that to close diciples... that there is "something " beyond absolute awareness. I found David and Lorne and Lucia Hoff because i had "experienced" this falling out of absolut awareness but could not find any references to that. But David did as the Hoffs or now Andrew Hewson...and they also speak about the subtle perception. (The body waking up) I like that you want to be excact with words ... than you will like Davids approach as he tries that too ...to find out where in the unfolding someone is. 😊