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This is a good explanation. I have not met this person talking but he appears to know what he is talking about. I think I would like to meet him some day and learn what he teaches. I do prefer his direct practical approach to the subject. I am however a bit reluctant to believe in his claims of lineage but as I learned long ago take a man at his word until proven otherwise.

It has allot to do with practice and the changes to your receptivity, your ability to recognize what is, the changes in your nature as Karmic traces are released and comprehension of the way things work experientially The BON Tradition and the Kriya Tradition lay it out pretty well. I like to say if you put sand paper in your hand and you sand the wood what are you more amazed by? 1. There is sawdust Or 2. There is no saw dust Which is more amazing? When I state that they are always felt or as you have said always with me all I have to do is pay attention to that feeling go inwards and then I see. It is not a act of visualization but rather an act of allowing what is to enter perception and take form of its own.

It is more like a symbiotic merging that occurred a few years back and always present. For example Raven haired white, white skin, flashing Green eyes. As I type this twisting out of my body and looking at me personality felt. There has never been a moment of visualization. In the beginning prior to becoming curios and searching for answers I had no idea what to visualize. Only saw what came to me. Now that I know the many artistically depicted forms of the divine feminine they do not matter. Later many things were verified as the divine changed my life and re situated everything with a human female of her choosing. A living incarnation of the Mother if you will. Her avatar in the form of my lady is no different and she whom I have described predated my meeting her human incarnation or avatar if you will.

In the context of what I shared earlier I would have replied No sir, I feel her with me at all times, strange that you do not.

Agreed.

There went IHOP's security blanket.

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Please continue. The thing about it is worship is not necessary at all, when the time is right and the conditions are met you will get the visitations and then well you might just find yourself worshipful.

I guess my reply was for you It was being written as you were responding. Then I saw your reply. This is good.

For the sake of others I will share the following: In the culmination of Paravastha state of Kriya which in the BON tradition would be comparable to the highest of the God Realms I have been visited many times and taught Tummo and other things by Shakti and Kali herself. To be perfectly clear this is not metaphorical. I have seen her as clearly as one can with eyes open in daylight. I have felt as realistically as the touch of another's hand upon my arm. I have heard the very air vibrate and felt the heat and the pressure of visitation as I would a corporeal woman. In time this woman took physical form via the linear progression of earth space time. She my lady is an Avatar of the divine female. My own Mother is this kind of female a very advanced being in her own right. She plays her cards very close to the vest but when needed reminds me of who she is. All you have to do is practice, in time when the Kechari forms on it's own you will soon be ready for such visitation. True Kechari is the balancing of the male and the female forces in the central channel. Here be ye man or woman you will become the penetrating male force and the penetrated receiving female force in the cave of Brahman up above the lower 5 Chakras. Once this has become your way all habituation of Gender Chauvinism vanish. Just beware your entire life will change and what is old and outmoded will be swept away. Be prepared for change and often very painful and drastic be prepared for Change often joyous. Learn to be stabilized in the central channel the best you can, strengthen the mind to single focus so you are not rode by the emotions. Even without knowledge of names and religion this will come. Then you will wonder what has happened, then you will be curious and then you will seek answers and then you will discover. When you discover the truth and then discover the ancient writings confirm what experience has delivered you will honor and you will believe and you will bow. After some time has passed you might even share in a reply like this.

Yes and in the Gita we are taught Krishna as a manifestation of the one true God ( Not to be confused with the many Gods people think Hinduism is about ) We are taught the one true God is formless and shapeless and is indeed emptiness as is all of our true natures. So I can see a direct correlation with what you have shared. Thank you for sharing. The Gita is not so easy to read if you get the Gita for Children by Roopa Pie (it is by no means a childish book) or listen to the audible audio book it makes everything very clear it is all about a discussion between Krishna who is God taking Mortal form and Arjuna a man who has known him all his life as a cousin but never suspected his true stature the conversation takes place right before a great battle. You deprecated yourself with honesty admitting book knowledge that is pretty rare and a very good trait. I really appreciate your input even more because of it. If for some reason you can not get the experience of these words you have shared I know a very good teacher who can teach you Kriya so you will. I will also say that the practice of Kriya is the Gita but it took me 7 years to experience that and it was due to my amazing friend and teacher Donald Abrams. Please forgive the side track on this thread, I only wish to give in return for receiving.

Will you discuss with us more about Tummo, I am certain there are many who would like to learn. I would, and I know a good friend of mine who would as well.

Agreed. It is not really bad at all. Not my intent to come across as criticizing. The main thing is people need some experience to get something out of it from what I have read. My exposure to Bon has been with TWR and he is a very clear teacher very remarkably so in fact. He however does not permit anything other than in person training when it comes to Tummo even then it is not taught in the first retreat but the main focus is on The 9 breaths and TSA Lung.

BY the way here is a link to a video that accompanies the book.

As am I In First Kriya it is more about Sense withdraw and separating the side channels from the central channel. It is viewed the side channels with their polarity are where most are experiencing from with constant fluctuations. These two side channels being error, delusion and confusion and it is important to separate them from the central channel and then to open and straighten the central channel like a pipe from Base to crown. This is the work of first Kriya and one of the signs it has been sufficiently accomplished is the advent of Naturaly occurring Kechari Mudra where the body literally mimics the cessation of the bifurcation of the Sushumna middle channel becoming a straight pipe. (There is more confusion than not surrounding Kechari Mudra) (It should never be made to happen or forced in any way, it should occur because it must) The purpose / the work of Second Kriya the two side channels are severed a little at a time and one then lives in the central channel as the fluctuations present in the side channels gradually cease to influence the sadhak. In this way both Rajas and Tamas, Guna begin to hold less and less sway in ones life. The sadhak also gradually comes to experientialy know that truly the sadhak does nothing that, the works one does are not you doing them but that which animates all working through you as an extension of all the variables that have ever been or ever will be. The sadhak becomes more like a witness to the actions of the lord or the supreme un-manifest God the background the space in which all including nature exists. A body that does not have the animating principle within it does nothing it is a corpse. As a practical example last night I was doing the dishes and it occurred to me there was no such thing as I doing the dishes. That the very water coming out of the tap was not my doing, no it was so many other doings even making such a miracle as running water possible from some unknown place to flow freely just by turning a valve. So what is this that has made so many things possible running as the animating principle through all of humanity for ages unknown that has culminated in the present day? In The practice of Second Kriya the Divine Vibration, Sound and light are experienced in each Chakra and each is a different experience and we learn of the sole doers involvement in this way more and more. Does Tummo lead to similar destinations of comprehension and awareness? Or is it only a method of purification in bliss and the heat component of Kundalini?

Hi Steve I have this book John Jackson recommended it, nice illustrations but without some experience however one gets it, it is fairly poorly written.

Thanks Armando my posts can be a bit long, figure it is better to ask for permission than beg forgiveness. Primarily I practice Kriya Yoga. There are similarities. Part of First Kriya ( There are 6 Stages ) is the separating of Ida & Pingalu from where they interact with Sushumna. Left and Right Channels respectively Sushumna being the center. This is often referred to as preparing the field. I have found the 9 breaths of Purification to make a fantastic preparatory practice prior to the initial Kriya’s (individual Kriya Practices) in first Kriya. Feeling the Lung entering the left channel electrically cool and cleansing vibrating from the left nostril mixing at the field 3 inches below the navel building a charge there then up and out the right channel with an additional feeling of not only energy but emotional relief often watching old feelings and thought exit quite beneficial then reversing the proceduree after 3 breaths and finally the center channel and out the top of the head. I like to perform Tsa Lung directly afterwards and feel the vibration pulsation and hear the sounds in each center with the accompanying practice. The attitude is one of gratitude and an inner smile. When completed then 1st Kriya begins. Years ago now after Kriya Practice while sitting in the state of deep absorption, the Lung took over. It started moving in patterns unknownto me. Later upon studying the 6 Yogas of Naropa I learned that this is called Tummo. Ever since then I have had an interest in Tummo. Do you teach the formal practice?

Armando May I reply at length from experience?

Very 😎 cool thanks Armando.

Dawei, you catch a lot of undeserved crap for doing your job here without pay, I do not always agree with every judgement Administration has to lay down but will continue to support you. By and large... Good Job nice of you to help a new comer feel safe, I like that.👍🏻

Ramana Maharishi, ah yes, who is this I that thinks this thought? I remember first learning of him back in the mid 1980’s. There were some impressive books written by an author using the pen Name Mouni Sadhu. Thanks for replying nice clear way of describing the practice.

Hi @blackfence I look at it like this, it is all God’s will and what the Swami is telling are some of the mechanics of how things work. Yes I heard him disavow the Gods will part. To my thinking he was doing so to make a strong counter point to get the listener to really pay attention to the lesson he wished to emphasize. If he was not then that is too bad, my view still stands and he can believe as he likes 😁 and yes he is very entertaining. looking deep into the I does it and there are many ways, out of curiosity what practice do you find work best for you in this regard?

This is good,

Very, very good!