blue eyed snake

i thought you're the guy trying to balance 

 

these are dead, not happily sleeping after consuming to much apples or something  

4 hours ago, surrogate corpse said:

i don't think it's useful to define "woman", but if forced to, i would say: woman is what happens when i do nothing. 無為而無不為 (wuwei er wubuwei)—non-doing and non-not-doing.

 

excellent

4 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

Yeah but I'm an unapologetic attention whore 

 

totally normal behavior for young beautiful women, although i do not have any active intentions anymore, I still like looking at female beauty.

 

Just like I like looking at butterflies and the new flowers now bursting.

34 minutes ago, S:C said:

First questions first: Are the fruits on the cards of the high priestess pomegranates?

 

seem to remember they were described as such

14 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

thanks for elucidating

my brain is fuzzy

14 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Both  actually .

 

" The best way to avoid spiritual pride is not to have a scared cow "   .....  " Defense  against spiritual pride is to have a sense of humor - especially about yourself and tradition .  "        

 

scared cow

 

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Could be the need for approval at play. Wanting to be liked and accepted. Constantly looking at the mirror. Wanting to show off etc. But we have already discussed that we can't act enlightened until we are. So some display of ego is expected I guess.

 

To quote Maddie. Bringing awareness to our clinging is what will eventually take us into wisdom. 

 

 

I sort of wonder why you think people here on the forums want to get enlightened 🤔 

I for one come here to socialize with some guys and gals I like and share some information-like things.

8 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

People give up promising dance careers and become accountants in order to win the approval of their parents.  Nobody transitions to win the approval of their parents.

 

and the approval to be won from parents is small compared to the approval we want from peers, at least in our younger years.

 

21 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

I would say when you spend your entire life hating what you see in the mirror constantly and then finally you like it. It tends to make one kind of excited LOL

 

yup, also in general societal approving comes from behaving as you should according to your gender.

where transitioning or, in my case, behaving like a boy got you a lot of disapprovement.

 

I've seen that more yes.

 

at last the way you look fits with how you feel and that's reason for joy and pictures.

 

like the happiness I felt as a preschooler having told my mom that I did not want dresses anymore. After a slight hesitation she told me "yes, that's okay for me"

 

I was so happy  

On 18-4-2024 at 11:50 PM, Nungali said:

 

 

Have you seen 'Cave of Forgotten Dreams ' by Werner Herzog ?

 

If not, watch it , it will blow you away .  You gotta see them pics 'moving'   that is , as you walk through the cave and past the images . A still photo just dont do it justice .  Also this expands theory and usage of the caves .

 

thanks

 

https://watchseriesstream.com/watch-movie/watch-cave-of-forgotten-dreams-full-online-6947.5309320

6 hours ago, S:C said:

For whom is this relevant? Is it a ‚travel route’? Shouldn’t it be more like a cycle? I don’t think it’s linear, is it? 
A few symbols don’t explain themselves in this context…

 

ehm,

I took it as a veiled message that everything we can talk about is just symbols, trying but failing to convey underlaying reality.

 

or just a joke of course 

 

 

 

On 21-4-2024 at 1:31 AM, Nungali said:

For me their value lies in their symbology and the associated 'knowledge lectures' that incorporate them ; its about balance, especially the balance between  'mercy and severity '  ;

 

Unbalanced severity is  cruelty which leads to oppression but unbalanced mercy allows and abets evil to exist .  It seems an unfortunate requirement of the general  human nature  .

 

 

13 hours ago, Apech said:

 

The explanation I was given years ago - and dimly remembered was this.  Justice and Mercy.  There are two conditions one in which energy is limited and in short supply.  In this case everything is geared to assessing what is absolutely necessary to complete the task.  An assessment - an analysis of the situation which judges harshly exactly what is required and what is to be rejected.  How much energy and was resources, tools and such are needed to do the job.  This is Justice.  It Just Is.  So to speak.

 

The other condition is where energy is abundant - it overflows - is radiant - in this condition we imagine, dream, create and most importantly allow.  We are compassionate and lenient.  Mercy - which is not strained but dropeth like a gentle rain ... and so on.  This is sun-like.

 

nice, how both of you, coming from different directions say the same, its about ( the balance) of mercy and justice.

 

One can also toy with language, in my language the word for mercy translates ( back and forth) as grace. Having been subjected to grace, as a stream of golden light descending into my fleshbody, yes, this is sunlike.

The word Justice hold the word straight in my language, straight to assessing what is absolutely necessary to complete the task.   that all fits nicely to my uneducated eyes.

 

further i was thinking of the high-priestess from the tarot, Boaz and Jachin are part of the picture (at least in the riderwaite version that i played with as a youngster) She holds the Torah

Justice holds 2 pillars too, but not named as such, he holds the traditinal symbols of judgment, the scales and the sword.

 

( @Nungali   is more fond of the Toth cards when I remember it well, but this set is what lives in my subconsciousness, the play as a youngster seems to have made quite an impression)

 

apart from other symbolic things, I see female for mercy and male for justice

 

 

 

the new vision cards give a look at the backside of things, i do like this version, it literally gives a new perspective.

the curtain  falls

also nice to see he interpretation of finding balance between justice and mercy.

 

 

 

oh dear, I'd rather be old-fashioned.....

His luminous blobness is in hiding, 

hiding or not, but you cannot hide you luminosity.

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, idiot_stimpy said:

The pillars represent duality. To enter the temple one must walk between the pillars. 

 

The point between two poles is the centre point. To stay at the centre one must be in perfect balance. 

 

So to enter the temple of the divine one must be in perfect balance.

 

Undifferentiated awareness available right now and effortlessly existing is by it's nature perfectly balanced. 

 

When one is led to follow the discriminating mind, labelling things as discrete objects within awareness we fall out of the centre and into duality. 

 

 

 

 

thank you, the way you formulate this hits the centre 

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

The 'traditional' Jewish 'energetic stuff ' is way beyond me (in that I am not  Jewish - and even if I where it is highly esoteric and only available to a few traditional specialists  , as traditional kabalah is ) .  The more 'obvious' stuff is based on hermetic kabbalah  and mostly comes from the Golden Dawn and similar  ( eg. when some of the GD members started studying and practicing Buddhism  and yoga ) and correlated chakra systems with the idea of projecting the Tree of Life of the Kabbalah on to the human anatomy .

 

The three main pillars on the Tree of Life  ( Boaz and Jachin  on the outside ) - when projected on to the body - seem to relate to the three main nadis . There are hermetic / magick  practices  relating to the middle one ( Middle Pillar ), but I dont know of any being related to the outside two .  ( See 'Middle PIllar' by Israel Regardie .  )

 

Even the easy stuff is far beyond me and as usual your answer is perfect for what I was wondering. I thank you for being a pillar of wisdom 

 

Lately my awareness sometimes resides in the surrounding energy-field instead of in the flesh, that is a bit disorientating.

But also interesting, It feels like there are three pillars of light ( or something, jeez, this stuff is so weird to talk about)

one going straight through the fleshbody and 2 right behind me, one golden, the other dark blue.

 

sort of like the image on that book 

 

which answers my question, namely, there seem to be more people who perceive this as such.

 

( oh, and many years ago I awareness of those 2 pillars on the back arose, but as a set of 2, only now it becomes clear that it is a threesome)

 

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

For me their value lies in their symbology and the associated 'knowledge lectures' that incorporate them ; its about balance, especially the balance between  'mercy and severity '  ;

 

Unbalanced severity is  cruelty which leads to oppression but unbalanced mercy allows and abets evil to exist .  It seems an unfortunate requirement of the general  human nature  .

 

beautifully said and painfully true

_/|\_

 

thank you _/|\_

 

 

 

i wonder about Boaz and Jachin, I mean, I know about the  story of the temple pillars, the easy to find stuff.

 

But sometimes I wonder about it, what do these symbolize, is there any relation with all the energetic stuff that is surrounding the fleshbody?

 

not looking for "truth" but for some insights and associations from better educated bums then me.

 

Maybe @Nungali  has something for me

15 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Perhaps I should add where this question is coming from. It's coming because I observe many people fight and trying really hard to prove to everyone they are male or female or something in between. They fight tooth and nail to be accepted as this or that. That's why I want to ask. Is it even important to fight for it, when all identity is ultimately unreal? 

 

I hope this question is still okay. 

 

well,

 

people just want to be accepted for what they are.

 

I do never like to talk about tings spiritual, all to son it  s hollow words. But during my life I've sort of seen that to get your feet on the spiritual path you first need to have a healthy ego.

A personality that fits, working on trauma's, ( and there are more ways to skin that fish the psychotherapist)

 

ego gets formed by all the things we encounter combined with karmic stuff, only after we've worked through a nice fat bunch of layers and are totally comfortable with our life stories, our ego, only then we can set foot on the path.

when still vehemently defending that may look, from the outside, as unstable.

But one has to realize the enormous amount of backlash some like Maddie gets, in those circumstances it can be a healthy way of getting positioning yourself, she strikes me as an activist.

 

I would never have reached a balanced me, a stable ego, a good healthy sense of "me" without putting my gender in the package.

 

Try to think up the following, I guess you are a male, now you have had to dress up as a girl as a kid, you had to do sewing instead of woodwork at school, you were totally treated like a girl and had to conform to the female role.

 

would  you have developed a stable and happy sense of self?

I guess not

 

only after the ego has developed to a stable and happy baseline is it possible to let go of it, very slowly

 

 

1 hour ago, Maddie said:

 

To me personally the idea of identifying with something abstract like "pure awareness" sounds like identifying with "world peace" or "Taylor Swift's guitar". It just doesn't make sense in the real world. Not trying to be mean but it seems like its too abstract to be useful or relatable. 

 

well, I guess that people who are belligerently antitrans ( here  I am thinking of some people on (former ) twitter, not bums, these guys regularly go an ranting ) maybe is that for them it sounds like identifying as Taylor Swifts guitar 🤔 

1 hour ago, Maddie said:

In Buddhism the idea is to not identify with anything. So trying to make ourselves identify with something such as pure awareness is a type of grasping which is the opposite of what the Buddha taught. The Buddha taught letting go. 

   I don't identify as a woman as the culmination of a goal but simply because that's where I happen to be at the moment. I tried to reject this identity and that did not work for me because it was motivated by control which again isn't letting go.

 

well, the Buddha is much more an authority then poor ol BES is,

 

so that's case closed 

6 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

To me personally the idea of identifying with something abstract like "pure awareness" sounds like identifying with "world peace" or "Taylor Swift's guitar". It just doesn't make sense in the real world. Not trying to be mean but it seems like its too abstract to be useful or relatable. 

 

yup, but this after all, is the Daobums 

57 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

 

Please I will try to explain it in the most gentle way i can. Bear with me please. 

 

First i did not dismiss the textbook answer. I actually accepted it. Their definition is that "gender is what you identify with". Okay. I have accepted it. 

 

Now i rised another question. Wouldnt it make more sense to identify with pure awareness rather than male or female? 

 

If you find this question offencive please let me know. Im really trying to ask the question in a most gentle way i can. 

 

 

 

as a small kid I identified as a boy, whole society told me I am weird, nice start in life.

Now that I am grown people still call transpeople weirdo's

 

 

then you ask whether it would make more sense to identify  with pure awareness..

 

well... 

 

I do not identify as a boy or as a girl, i identify as a human, that took me about half a century.

further you cannot identify with pure awareness, the moment "you" "Identify" there is "a you" doing something ie "identifying"

 

so mostly I identify as human, on rare moments "I" am gone and there is only pure awareness.

1 hour ago, Maddie said:

 

Yeah for real lol. Actually I think what I'm surprised about more isn't that there was a troll but it's that there's a few other people that don't seem to see it and I thought it was very obvious?

 

I almost never talk about trans-people on the internet. 

 

But being chronically ill I am part of a large group of chronically ill people, most of them, bedbound or housebound, like I am.

I habitually block every troll to keep my timeline reasonably clean of them. 

 

Never really analyzed it but I guess the most obvious characteristic is that they gloss over lived experience, talk ( condescendingly) to us instead of with us and generally behave as if we are children that have not tried the most obvious remedies.

 

Now having 2 spirits in your body-mind-system is not an illness, but underlying is that your body-mind works so much different from the mean that they cannot handle the idea that that is true fact. So in the minds of the outliers, whether trans-people or people with badly understood illnesses there must be a psychological faultiness to explain their weirdness.

 

kitchen sink psychology