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I have read SFJanes posts about her recovery from bipolar disorder and psychosis with great interest. I have myself thought a lot about how much cultivation type stuff and oriental medicine could do to cure serious mental illness. I actually think almost all anxiety, depression, obsessive compulsive disorder bipolar disorder and most psychosis, and possible to a large extent psychopathy can be curde by cultivation and eastern medicine as long as it is actually done and done right. The basics of what to do I think is fairly well understood but to really develop solid protocols for how to aproach the issue would take 20 years or something I think. To which extent would people actually practice this stuff if it is very well studied scientifically and the dat a says that this is an almost guaranteed cure? Those who are in institutions could be made/hepled to practice quite a lot because of the structure of living in such a place. Morning practice and evening practice etc. Everyone doing the same. Detox easy to organise etc. Those who live outside institutions usually have more reasorces but would have to discipline themselves to a completely different degree. With all the data available and very well thought out protocols would people practice? In the current state of afairs without such data is western psych meds a good thing? I have seen people get invaluable help from them. I have also seen people get set back years from them.

THis makes absolutely no sense. You have got to stop with the women hating. It is just stupid and irrational.

This is absolutely false. I have never even heard the claim that it is OK for women to cheat but not for men. What I HAVE heard many times is the claim that it is OK for men to cheat but not OK for women. In several cultures today, and in many (most?) cultures throughout history, the view has been that it is either OK for men to cheat or at least much less of a problem than if the woman cheats. The fact that you have managed to start believing the view in this society is that it is more OK for women to cheat says a lot about how little objectivity there are in your views.

Statistically men and women are about equally happy. FOr every benefit a woman has a man has another.

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/18254-tantra-cultivating-sexual-energy/page__st__16 http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/18241-suppression-and-repression-of-sexuality/page__st__80 http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/lao_tzu_tai_chi_of_sexual_transcendance Read these threads. In teh first I have a looong post that shed some light on this. Most of it you already know but I think there might be some stuff in there you will find interesting. IN thread two Seth Ananda has a post that shed light on how you can have ejaculatory sex without energy loss (and presumably dopamine rolercoaster). In the third you can see paralels between taoist approaches and the other ones. THere are one or two more threads on reunting.info about Lao Tsu and neotaoism/neotantra that argue his approach matches karezza quite well. Consdier the fact Non that the most masculine and testosterone driven men are used only for casual sex and are not considred relationship material. Women choose men that have more feminine feutures for relationships because they will bond better and stay faithfull (better oxytocin rpoducation abilities and oxytocin levels to begin with) and because they will be better fathers and better partners because of their ability to love and care. This is SCIENTIFIC FACT. Women still want a large part of masculinity but they REQUIRE a fair chuk of love/empathy ability to enter a relationship with a man. Also consider the fact that the need for strength in a man for a woman is based on her entirely legitimate need for protection for herself and her baby. If she did not priorotze strength she would DIE in a harsher environment than ours. THrougout most of history this has been the case and so these are the genes woman are carying and there is nothing really to be done about that core fact. So womens need for male strength is totally legitimate and stems for her desire for her BABY to stay safe and survive and grow up. If she chooses a man that is too weak and only knows how to care and love she only gets help with what she already is capablle of doing herself. She needs someone that is able to provide both some protective strength and some masculine abilites such as self assertiveness, ability to be stoic and logical in emotional circumstances, ability to look for soloutions rather than focus on empathy etc. This is because she lacks those types of abilites and togheter they make a stronger and balanced union by combining their oposite abillites. So a man that can only bring femininity or is too weak can not give her anything she needs he would actually just become a burden in the way a child is. She is not able to protect her man but needs this protection from a man. So this is why at the bottom, as a base of atttraction you need some degree of strength to apeal to her. Built on top of that qualitites such as love and care become important and a relationship can be built focusing on that but within a yin yang dynamic where the woman provides a more feminine type of love and care and the man a more masculine type of love and care. Some of this can be harsh but it is actually fair an understandable. The women that chose otehrwise died and did not have their genes carried on and so are not arround today. Througout history it has been the case that men have had to prove themselves to a larger degree than women in order to find a mate but the flipside of that for women has always been that there is very little she can do to increase her attractiveness, her possibility of choosing how her life becomes has alkmost always been small or non excistant, she has had little ability to protect herself, she has also historically done more work than then man, she has aslo historically been looked down upon and had her self esteem diminished by cultural perceptions of women being second rate. THe strength required though have little resemblance to teh violent stuff you are talking about. THe average joe that is not very dominant or strong or aggressive do get women. Almost everyone does. Furthermore most women do not have many sex partners. I ahve recently seen some statistics and there is a fair number who remain virgins untill marriage, a alrge number who only have two, three maybe six boyfriends untill they marry and a large chunk of women whi ahve a few boyfriend and maybe one or two or three casual encounters. MOst of these womean date normal nice guys. THe women who date teh alpha player types generally have A LOT of partners and so make up most of the alphas sex partners. THis means few women actually have much sex or relationships to guys that even resemble what you are talking about.

If he did how on earth do you think he would ahve known anything meaningfull about what a nazi was and hence judge him when he barely knew anything about the outside world as Tibet had almost no contact with hte rest of the world.

Sometimes when this is discussed some people say "well yeah, but I think most of that was kinda necessary to get china to were it is today" to which I reply well you do know that the people whom the revolution toppled fled to Taiwan and managed to get that country wealthy and well run wihtout any of the suffereing the commuist party pu the mainland through and today Taiwan is a democracy and china might not become a democracy for the next 50 years even. THat shuts them up.

Read these: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/12466-the-internal-climax/ http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/lao_tzu_tai_chi_of_sexual_transcendance http://www.reuniting.info/node/5404 From a post I wrote somewhere else; (NRE means new relationship energy meaning the type of crush/love you normally loose after 1-3 years in a relationship) Karezza does not mean mean multiple orgasms without ejaculation in the sense many people have learnt from mantak CHias books or other similar online sources. These techniques give you multiple, potentially whole body, PEAK orgasms. THese are fundamentally different from VALEY orgasms which occur during Karezza. THe difference is kinda hard to explain precisely but it is huge in experience and in aftereffects. Peak orgasms are like all the orgasms you have had. THey are explosive, expansive, earthquake like, yang, they make your body contract strongly and make you moan (the better the orgasms the more extreme the effects on nocie and movmeent). Valey orgasms are the oposite of this. Firstly they CAN not happen with goal oriented aproaches. THey only happen when you are able to let go completely and when orgasms are not on your mind at all. THey are not explsoive but feel more like an implotion. THey feel more like sinking. THey can kinda like feel like a waterfall. THey are more like endless streams of blissways that have no particular begining or end rather than particular events that you can define and count. Peak orgasms happen when you get to very high arousal levels and you can`t hold the tension anymore. Then your body explodes from the pleasure and releases it in the orgasms. If makes arousal is where ejaculation happens and we call that 10, then you can have multiple peak orgasms in the arousal range of say 9,5-9,9. If when you reach this level you are able to relax and sink into the feeling of the starting pelvis contractions and bring (breathe) the sensations of arousal and orgasms upwards in stead of letting it sort of push into and out of the genitals then you can have multiple, potentially whole body orgasms. Karezza is done by holding arousal levels much lower than where peak orgasms usually happen. Somewhere around 8 on a a 1-10 scale is often mentioned. Then one sits or lies with the man inside the woman and hardly moves. Usually no more movement is done than what is required to maintain a moderate erection. One tries to relax as much as possible and let go into the experience, breathing deep in the belly and not high in the chest is essential. Tis is basically the zen of sex» or what happens if a man enters a woman and they just remain aware. All of this will make sure the sexual energy remains what you might term "cool". It is not hot and eager and worked up like during normal sex» and close to orgasms, there is not the strong sense and feeling of "I`ve GOT to have it" as in normal sex». Peoples initial response to this is that it sounds like it sucks. Why would you wan`t to remain at a meager 8 in arousal when 9 and 10 feels so much better? The thing is that after some time as you sink deeper into the feeling of 8 it becomes stronger than what 10 felt like to you before but you do not get a peak orgasms or ejaculation. You just get sex» pleasure at level 10. IF you keep at it for longer 10 will eventually give you the feeling of 12 or 15 or 25 but still no ejaculation or peak orgasm. You are still totally still, rarely making much sounds, you are still not even at the insane levels of sexual pleasure of say 25 filled with the I`ve GOT to have it craving. There is no craving or desire in such sex». It is dispassionate desireless sex» but yet it still feels much better. Within the Karezza landscape valley orgassm usually do occur and over time they might become very frequent. However, they are not at all necessary for karezza to give more pleasure than peak orgasmic sex». Once you get into it Karezza will feel like sexual bliss even when you are not having valley orgasms. You will feel like you are riding waves of the most exquisite pleasure even when no valley orgasms happen. I just say this so people will not think that karezza is valley orgasm chasing because it is not and that mentality can mess it up, but they will happen a lot, especially after you have practiced it over months or years and especially if you meditate or do yoga or qigong. Getting karezza to work usually takes some time. For some it works right away but it is quite common that it is only after two weeks that it really starts working for people. As months go by it gets stronger. As years go by it still gets stronger and stronger and stronger. As mentioned practicing meditation, yoga or qigong will make karezza much more powerful and easier to learn. I think one way of explaining karezza is this: arousal and tension are two different things. They tend to operate together but that is not necessary. When there is arousal a certain level of tension leads to peak orgasms. By relaxing that level is never reached and infinite levels of pleasure can be reached. A masf poster said Karezza for him was as god as his MDMA experiences. One study done on either some animals or humans (can`t remember) showed that when you have an orgasm dopamine levels rise immensely but then later drop to below the baseline and stay LOW and FLUCTUATING for about two weeks until it stabilizes at the normal level again. This happens only if there is not another orgasm. If there is another orgasm dopamine levels rise again and fall again and start fluctuating for another two weeks. When dopamine is low one feels moody, anxious and more hostile. One easily craves ANYTHING that will raise dopamine again. Another orgasms might be one of the best options. Candy, alcohol, massive attention from an AFC boosting your ego in the club a new sexual partner or shit testing your boyfriend and having him pass it will probably also make dopamine rise. NOtice also that low dopamine leads to anxiousness and hostility which is a state that typcially will make a woman shit test without knowing why. Either just to get a dopamine fix or because she attributes her low dopamine to you in the first place. THe reunting people and hundreds of people at their forum have observed that when they abstain from peak orgasms for two weeks their moods change and their view of their partners change. Abstaining from peak orgasms can mean both no sex» and no masturbation or karezza/tantra with valley orgasms. The essential effects are usually the same. After about two weeks both partners start to feel closer to their partner, flaws they were hung up on start seeming cute again like in the beginning of the relationship and the desire for sex» is back again strongly. If the couples continue like this the closeness and attraction seems to remain stable but if they have another peak orgasm they notice that for about two weeks they get the same feelings of increased distance towards the partner and lessened attraction and more hostility etc. THe tricky part is that the feelings don`t often show up right after orgasm. Often people will feel better and more close for a couple of days and then the problematic feelings start to come until they subside at about the two week point. THe only way to see this for yourself is to abstain from peak orgasms for a couple of weeks to see the effects, have another one and observe the effects for a couple of weeks and so on for a while. THis experiment has been done by TONS of people whose experience you can read about in the forum at reuniting.info. I have yet to see a singe individual who has done this experiment and not reported that they do find a cycle like this. THe cycle varies for people in that for some it is somewhat longer or shorter and it varies in intensity but as far as I have seen not a single person who has done the experiment has reported not finding the cycle. There are people who claim the woman in the couple does not have such a cycle because she always feels energized and happy after multiple orgasms and they are still fucking five times a week and are very much in love even after twenty years. It might be the case that something about the lovemaking style of a couple or the hormonal wiring of a person makes him or her immune to the cycle or at least makes it much less strong. It certainly is the case that some feel it much stronger than others in that they feel more distant to their partner right away or quite fast and the distance becomes more strong after peak orgasms. But as I said I have yet to see a single person do the experiment and fail to see the cycle. As I have understood dopamine from reading about it any new object or activity you perceive as rewarding will give a dopamine surge if you get to do what you want with it meaning eat it, drink it, fuck it, own it whatever. THe more times you do this the smaller the dopamine reward gets and you get tired of the object and you want another one because your dopamine levels are now low and you can`t get it up again (no pun intended) with the same object. So you want another woman or at least variety in the bedroom or new food experiences or a new car or whatever. THe stuff you haven`t had in a while such as a type of candy you haven`t had in weeks or your girlfriend when she has been on vacation for three weeks will give you a much stronger dopamine fix as you have had time to desensitiveize yourself to the object during its absence. Constant variety such as a bull that has five cows to mate with instead of one will help. studies show that if he has only one he gets tried of fucking her but if he has several others he fucks much more. THis is often called to Coolidge effect. It is not hard for people on masf to see how dopamine works as it`s effect is what people her are constantly trying to work around. The reuniting people thick that the cycle of low and fluctuating dopamine is what creates most of the conflict between couples. Not just because the individual partner has low or fluctuating dopamine but because they project the low dopamine as being caused by their partner. Initially the dopamine hangover is covered up by new relationship energy/ a crush/love. THe NRE creates so much attraction and probably raises dopamine so much by itself that it covers up the effects of the cycle on desire for the partner and because it creates such an artificially positive view of the partner the distance hostility part is also covered up. After maximum two to three years this energy dies no matter what and the problems inherent in the dopamine cycle starts to show and so couples break up. THe reuniting people think that karezza keeps attraction, sexual desire and love alive through both keeping dopamine levels balanced and through raising oxytocin the love, bonding, cuddle and empathy hormone very high and keeping it there. I am not so sure on the science at this point but I think to some extent dopamine and oxytocin are antagonistic. One can drain the other when in extreme. So when dopamine rises with a peak orgasm it kills of a lot of the oxytocin thus killing closeness and love. Sure orgasm also creates a rise in oxytocin but it falls after a very short while, presumably from the dopamine high. The ESSENTIAL argument for karezza, the real KEY, is that when you have had karezza, with or without valley orgasms, the aferglow effects of sex» lasts not only 10-15 minutes but from half a day to two or three days. THis varies with individuals, depending on how long one has had sex» in that session and if one has just started experimenting with karezza or has practiced it for years. THis is yet another indication that karezza keeps the attraction going and that it somehow avoids the fluctutating dopamine troubles. Related to this it is absolutetly CONSISTENT that couples report that when they practice karezza regularly they never loose the desire for having sex» again with their partner, they never get that now I am FULL feeling you can get after having had lots of sex» with one person or eating TOO much chocolate. My theory is that dopamine is not related to a lot of the good feelings of sex» but mostly to the "I`ve GOT to have it" part of the feelings. IT is related to the drive, to the desire, to the lust, to the craving and to the SATIETY the I`ve had ENOUGH feelings after lots of sex». By keeping the arousal level low and going deeper into it rather than creating more you are stearing clear of this effect. WHen you keep the energy "cool" like i talked about, the dopamine isen`t triggered so much. It is the desire and lust and desperation that creates the "hotness" of sex». People think this is the key part of sex» for them because it is all they have seen but this craving is actually what takes you most away from the real pleasure of sex» and that makes you get tired of it with a particular partner or in general (so you need to add another fetish to make it exciting again, think porn addict). The karezza people also report that new relationship energy dies after a few years. But they also report that strong feelings of love remain, strong feelings of sexual attraction to the partner remains and that the two sort of link toghether. THe type of love is like the pair bonding friendship type love that psychologists usually report long term couples having but unlike in normal couple the karezza people experience this very strongly and so intertwined with high sexual attraction that they do NOT find the new relationship energy to be any better than what they have after it dies. THey also report that this other type of love actually increases the longer the couple stays toghether. I can`t give clear enough explanations of this part but the key part seems to be that in Karezza the sexual desire remains and keeps strenghtening the love between a couple but in others it fizzles out and so eventually love disappears as well. WHen you practice karezza it literally feels like the sexual energy starts to ascend and goes to your heart and strenghtens feelings in your heart. THis can be so celarly experienced afer a while as an occurrence during sex», and seen in its aftereffects, that I belive it must be the case. In science terms it would mean that dopamine and other sexually related hormones start to cooperate with oxytocin and other related hormones and then keep cooperating indefintively. I have noticed a lot of people claim that if you cuddle too much without sex» the sex» dries up and shit tests ensue. I am pretty sure if you withdraw all affectionate touch, all holding each other close and hugs and only fuck animalisticly then love dries out. Something about karezza just avoids this and so the more cuddling the better. Tantric sex» practiced correctly gives the same effects as Karezza. unfortunately a lot of tantra teachers today don`t know WTF they are doing and teach people to have tons of amazing peak orgasms in stead of or in addition to valley orgasms and this messes everything up. So unless one gets clarification on exactly how a particular couple has practiced karezza their experience does not help as data. So how much will this do to help a relationship last? THe most essential part I think. If you do this the sexual attraction and the love remains and you get another form of feelings and "beer googles" as a replacement to the NRE to see your partner through that make them seem more positive than they really are and make you forgive their mistakes and cooperate. Lack of this is the essential reason relationships die. NRE dies and so relationships die. With the effects of Karezza as glue a relationship should have very good odds of lasting. Just how harmonious is a karezza couple? In many ways more than a NRE couple. Oxytocin creates the pair bonding and cooperation mentality in the couple that keeps things running smoothly. THis is much more stable and cooperation inducive than NRE which is far to manic and obsessive to really make to people make everyday life work smoothly. Sure it works way better than wihtout it but it is just too crazy for long term harmony. What karezza can`t do anything about is time. Over time you will learn stuff about your partner that you don`t like, you get time to get into conflicts, over time maybe one partner wants to move the other not, maybe one changes the other does not. This can break a couple up despite what karezza brings to the table. But what karezza does do is compensate adequtetly for the loss of NRE and it breaks you free from the whole betaization process and its effects. From what I have read in others reports and talking about this with my meditation teacher. It seems that bitchy, highly irrational and aggressive behavior from women gets massively reduced and stays down. THis likely has a lot to do with her dopamine not being low (makes her anxious and hostile) and fluctuating. My teacher is a fan of David Deida and is very aware of testing and masculinity and feminity in relationships. Acording to him testing still occurs but much less frequent and much less harsh. He thinks with karezza you can fail massive amounts of shit tests every year and still get sex». As evidenced by the experience of the couples at reuniting.info you can be a highly betaized archetypical AFC and still have as much sex» as Blackdragon has on average in a week. Betahood will reduce the quality of the relationship a lot but as all the AFCs who practice karezza still get sex», love and a lot of harmony then the betaization process must somehow be neutralized or made much less important in karezza couples. What about your alphaness? Karezza is very cuddly and does not at all resemble the caveman pounding an alpha needs to give his woman right? Does not matter. When you practice karezza you (at least over time) will start to feel like extreme yin and extreme yang during sex» and afterwards will feel more manly and more feminine at the same time as you have to cuddly oxytocin effect. My meditation teacher says that the feeling of feminine surrender a woman can experience during this type of sex» is at least as strong as during BDSM but is achieved without being dominated directly. It is more like yin and yang energies experienced in their pure forms. Another aspect of karezza is that it strongly diminishes the desire for other partners and for all sorts of sexual novelty or any sort of addiction like behavior or objects. THis is almost certainly related to the dompaine levels. A unique aspect of Karezza is that once you have gotten into it you can schedule it and it does not require foreplay. As it is not based on excitement/tension one can make an agreement to have sec at 1730 the day after, meet up at that time, relax a bit, start sitting with the man inside the woman and just wait a little bit and the sexual energy starts running by itself and pretty soon the sex» is great. THe couples in the thread I linked to say that this is their experience and many others in other threads at reuniting.info can verify the claim as well. So as long as you can make sure both you and your girl have enough time and are not too tired you should be able to have sex» everyday. And for a long time if you so desire. Oh, and by tantra books by Diana Richardson

AA?

I find the lung solar plexus connection interesting. I was not aware of the lung meridian going through the solar plexus. I have wondered wether they were connected as their aspects seems to overlap a lot. Do you find any connection between the spleen and solar plexus? THey are both key in digestion I think. You know in KAP they have a bunch of methods for working with the charkas directly. I think if you take a private lesson with one of their instructors you could learn some very good techniques for that kind of work. At least from the practice logs of KAPers it seems for the most part they avoid the extreme tiredness you experience after hold the ball so I figured it might be good for you to learn some methods that help you avoid that. At least reduce it. I have also been wondering if you have considered starting fusion. It is the next step after healing sounds and inner smile and as intensely you have practiced I think you have probably done the amount of work required as a preparation. I have also been wondering if maybe primordial qigong could be a good practice for you. Michael Winn teaches it so it is compatible with healing tao stuff, it is very powerful, very balancing, does general all over work, and goes deep setting forth the entire alchemical process towards enlightenment with Kan and Li, work on all the dan tiens, the central channel etc. It only takes 15 minutes or so and can be learnt by watching a dvd. I forgot to mention about fusion is that it has the great benefit of being rather painless emotionally. When you do it the negative emotions gets neutralized and just disappear. I did it once and it was kinda like just sending the negative energy into a black whole and getting nice energy back. Very smooth.

Are you nuts? You really think this is what`s happening?

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Asa general rule yes, but social dominance is quite complex. TOday I interacted for a couple of hours with two men who must have been extremely high testosterone. THey looked very much like the DOM face. However, I am 100% convinved I would beat them both 9 times out of 10 or more if we competed over women for one night stands even though I am probably somewhere in the middle of this scale. The reason is that I was soooooooo much more socialy intelligent and generally charming than both and neither seemed to be able to use a sexual/sensual vibe with women. In a group setting the fact is that I would be able to dominate them by understanding social dynamics better, by being more funny, by being liked more, by gaining authority trhough my intelligence and verbal abillities. Unless we were in a battlefield in a time when people used swords and not guns I would have managed to be the socially dominant one in almost all settings. THe socially dominant one will get teh casual sex and the long term realtionships if he chooses to have them. In addition these guys were far too logical and brute to have much ability to use sexual vibe and playfulness to make women horny and escalate sexually. Sure the guts to do so increases with testosterone. To some extent also the ability to project a simple animalistic sexuality also incrases with testosterone. BUT projecting a sexual vibe and being sexually playfull with women often requires some sofistication. For that you need social abilities and for those you normally need to go further to the feminine side of the spectrum to increase that. To a large extent it is the smooth guy that gets the girls. Especially the socially dominant and smooth guy.

I find that I can get a lot out of doing something like six healing sounds even if my mind is not still and I am quite tired emotionally. After that I feel so much better that meditation is a lot easier. After all healing sounds is supposed to clear out bad emotions. Doing some tai chi or simple moving qigong has a similar effect. So you could maybe try to do something like that first and then do meditation. I have also found the inner smile to give me more when it is harder to meditate than breath based meditation. In time, as you become better at meditation you might well find that despite the stress of a long days work you can still your mind in a minute or two anyway. You could also try doing stuff that is more powerful. AYPs I AM mantra is VERY powerful and so is spinal breathing which is a part of that system. People usually find that they CAN`T do more than 20 minutes of the I AM mantra in a session otherwise they get overloaded. So just I AM mantra for 10-20 minutes + spinal breathing for 5-10 should give you good progress. I strongly recommend adding some sort of strong grounding practice and a bit of microcosmic orbit to the AYP practices though as they tend to not be so grounded and they ognore the front channel to much. You don`T have to do those two a lot but five minutes standing and a little bit of orbit while you commute should be enough I think. The Kundalini Awakening PRocess system is also very powerful. 45 minutes a day is sufficient and several of the practices can be done while you are doing other things. WHen you gain some mastery over it you can for example keep the secret smile running while you are surfing the web. Also, if you have a partner, consider making sex your practice. Check my posts about karezza in old threads about sex. Read one of diane Richardsons books about tantra and read the book cupids poisoned arrow. Having sex like htat you can, perfectly safely, save up ALL your jing and about double its effect in addition to training in awareness and concentration. I also second the advice about practicing mindfulness in every day life. Someone told me Tich Nath Han recommends mastering mindfulness during one activity at a time. So for example the first few weeks you only practice mindfulness when you brush your teeth. Once having really good mindfulness during that activity is automatic you add another activity for a few weeks. After a year you will have QUALITY mindfulness during most of your activities.

I am short on time now so will answer another day but you should look up stuff by Michael Winn about Kan and Li and alchemy balancing teh inner male and female aspects and leading to better realtionships wioth the oterh gender etc.

I am not so clear on this myself but I`ll try. The pure sexual arousal is more distinctly genitally focused. It can spread out to the whole body but it clearly starts for me in the gentials and root and goes up. Passion arousal is felt immediately also in the chest area and more a whole body event all the time. I think when people feel passion for anything it is felt connected to the heart chakra. So if I feel passion for my job I feel it here but if I only have drive and ambition for my job I feel taht come from my kidneys. I think thats why one can feel passionate during sex with someone you don`t have love feelings for. It is not passionate love feelings just passion. Pure sex arousal is also more clear cut as an energy, more distinct and solid and sharp. Passion is more mysterious, soft and changing. THink about all sorts of things you can feel passionate about like your interests, a job you potetnially could love, grand experiences in nature etc. Then think about stuff you reaaly desire or want like great food and drink or the drive to achieve a certain position or win a martial arts match or aquire a material thin you really want. For me those are all more clear greedy desire feelings and more solid and distinct. I think the pure sex drive is more adrenal/risk driven and, passion more person focused.

Coll that you find it usefull. A couple of points. As far as I remember from a study I read and from how I belive I expereince the same in my body, social status has a BIG impact on dopamine. I am sure you could lump in a bunch of related hormones as well, but dopamine fluctuations can probably be read as similar fluctuations in all of them. There is something a bit uncertain I think about the low dopamine high desperate sex drive thing as I think I have read other stuff that show a connection with men that perceive themselves as very unnattractive and or powerless turning of their sex drive almost completely. I can`t remember what I specificaly have read about it I just think I have read something about and it I have an impression from stuff I have read some men say in online forums that some men loose their interest in sex almost completely from feeling hopeless. There is a fetish called cuckolding where men want their wives to have sex with other men, preferably dominate, strong men with huge penises. THey get of on the humiliation and jealousy which I think triggers the liver into extreme arousal but they also can get of on other feelings such as being relieved of the pressure of having to perform as a man, being submissive, voyerism, doing the ultimate sacrifice for their wifes thus helping them see them as a goddess etc. Some of these men get extremely horny once the couple start with this but some seem to loose their sex drive more or less completely once they get very dominated by their wives and her lovers. Maybe there is something about feeling utterly powerless and low status that makes your body think total submissiveness and no risk of punishment through sexual attempts is the best strategy for now as anything else might mean death and so certainly no spreading the genes. Another study showed that a lot of men in Japan and in France had no interest in sex what so ever and that these numbers had gone up dramaticaly and it was mostly the case among young men. I read something else about many young nerdy japaneese men loosing all interest in woman as they saw little hope to get interest from them. They also changed their focus in life to just doing fun things and not working so much and not giving a fuck about much at all in theri lives. I think this goes to show that even though it is not concious a lot of the behaviour of men in terms of behaving properly in society and focusing on a job etc. is ultimately linked to the prospect of access to women. Once men loose all hope of this after a while they start to loose interest in playing this game and so just drop out and play and become careless with themselves. you mentioning Kan and Li made me think of something I have had an intuition about for some time. The feeling of passion is like kan and li/fire and water techniques. Kan and li produces steam from having the fire beneath the water. To me passion feels very similar to this steam. I have experienced steam through puttin gfire below water in teh primordial qigong form, through blending heart and sexual energies in Biels fire and water technique mentioned on trunks site and trhough visualising a sun warming my blue kidneys from below. To me passionate feelings and arousal is different from pure sexual arousal, just being turned on by a hot woman. It is also distinct from teh feelings of a love/a crush that makes my heart chakra hyperactive and obsessed. This crush feeling does not necessarily make me very horny alhtough it can. I can have such feelings without being very sexually attracted (must be a little bit though). Passion is also for me dsitinct from having crush like feelings together with strong turnon for a woman. It comes close to the experience of beaing horny for and making love to a woman I have a crush for but it is not necessarily quite there. This can be more like the sexual energy is there and the love energy is there but they don`t necessarrily blend the right way and become steamy. OR at least ehy can do that but only moderately so. When love and sex really blend it gets very steam like and so passionate for me. However, I can also have passionate/steam like arrousal for a woman that I am only sexualy attracted to and not crushing over. For some reason dark woman especially Latinas will give me passionate steam like feelings just because of their looks. My current theory is that passion/steam means that something is particualry right about you to mating. If you are a great genetic and practical match the more advanced steam sex get set in motion to signal extra reward and make you mate. Interestingly I can have passionate sexual turn on that involves no particualr love/need to stay with this girl feelings. Kan and Li and steam production is also on of the most energy producing and healthy processes in your body so it makes sense it would start of as a reward for finding something right outside yourself I think. Santiago mentioned that when a couple is truly in love and practicing tantra like sex some of the mor technical tantra stuff like deer excercises happen automaticaly. I can`t quite see the fire going below the water or blending when feeling passion yet. I can`T see that clearly but I think it must be what is happening.

One thing that occurred to me was that male sexuality is connected a lot with social rank. When a monkey rises in rank in the group his libido gooes up. If he is made into a beta his libido goes down. As you have worked on strengthening your solar plexus you might have moved it from a weak beta position to an alpha position thus making your body think it is now top monkey and so should be very horney in order to impregante all female monkeys that are now your harem. THat might ocrrespond to higg dopamine which is connected to high sex drive. Low dopamine is also connected to high sex drive but in a desperate way. If you read the cartoon someone posted in one of Nons threads in the private practice session notice that the character gets more and more horny adn crazier and crazier sexual fantasies the longer he goes without getting any action from women and the more he feels humiliated and jealous (that last part would be liver activation of the sex drive though I think but that is also connected to the solar plexus). I think this is connected to the body of a very low status man/monkey knowing that it has very, very, very small chances to spread its genes so that if any oportunity arises it must be utilised no matter what the circumstances. The middle monkeys have some options and so should take some consideration in their choices as to not risk being punished for it or loosing social status by looking desperate etc, the bottom monkey has nothing to loose and the top alpha monkey can and should have sex all the time to spread his genes as much as possible because he can without risk. There is an analogy in this with your own situation. At teh time you had very little experience and your self esteem was bad you very horny to an extent that bothered you. You wanted to stick it in any woman you saw as you said and it all was rather desperate. This was you as a beta or omega monkey. Now that your body thinks you are an alpha monkey or at least some sort of middle monkey you get more horney. Anotehr thought is that this is adrenal related. The adrenals are connected to the kidneys but they are located right behind the solar plexus I think. Mantak Chia calls the point in the spine at teh back of the solar plexus charka the adrenal centre. He also says if you want to stay up all night focus on this point. That would be the yang point of the solar plexus chakra. Adrenalin I think is intimately conected to sexuality. Almost everything that turns us on does so because it adds excitment. Danger and any sort of risk kicks in adrenaline and so works together with sexual interest to increase arousal levels up untill the point where you think it is too dangeraous and you eject.

To quote Max directly "one hour of Kunlun is worht more than a hundred years of any other practice

I have said this about a million times but I I think the Karezza people have a great take on the why people cheat and what to do with sexual desire etc. Their approach leads to your sexual desire being almost exclusively and continuously focused on your partner, sexual energy/jing is not wasted but increased, you don`t get tired of the partner over time or fall out of love etc. unless you actually turn out to be a really bad match. you get to keep a more balanced version of the honeymoon chemistry that got you together in the beginning and which when lost after a few years is responsible for most breakups and relationship difficulties. By the why I always read your threads. I find them very interesting and useful. Actually your approach of looking for certain issues or bad emotions in the correct organ has helped me have important breakthroughs. I used to just do the sound and try to strengthen the positive. Now I often look for specific issued I know must be there, find them and get them out. Much quicker approach and really helpful for me at this point. Thanks! As for eliminating desire etc. My teacher says that he has more or less lost desire in a lot of fundamental ways and having gotten to a place where he feels happy and content no matter what basically. Many people that get to a similar place think that as they have eliminated desire they should just become dispassionate, think that`s good and starting preaching it as the way to go. My teacher says that for him, it was more like not having desire gave him the freedom to enjoy what it is possible to enjoy at any given time.

A study was done in india on people who had very over or underactive thyroids. Serious illnesses, often cancer. By doing a daily yoga program aimed at balancing thyroid function, several of the participants were able to get of medication that had taken over the thyroids natural functions and so made it 100% inactive. I thought I should mention this as encouragement as it supports the idea that you can probably, with the right and powerful cultivation methods, over time get your testosterone production going again naturally. I think you would have to do quite a lot of the right qigong and get deep to get it sorted out though.

I would go see a TCm doctor to get an acurate diagnosis. An energy healer could also probably help you a long quite fast. You could do KAP. KAP has plenty of methods for increasing yang energy and in general is very good at making you balanced. It also has a bunch of more martial arts oriented techniques that I am sure could help. It is also VERY good at balancing and integrating kundalini. It also actively encourages sexual activity with the proper techniques in place and has both dual and solo cultivation techniques in level two. Also, check out posts I have made about karezza in previous trheads. They might help you with understanding how to benefit and not loose from sexual activity. You would have to find rather posts I made in rather old threads about sex as there has been a while since I wrote at length about it. The thread about finding a legitimate tantra teacher is a good one for this purpose. Also there ight be some good tips about yang energu on alchemicaltaoism.com

Oscar Wilde, Leonardo Da Vinci, Michelangelo I think, Truman Capote, Walt Withman, Andy Warhol. Strictly speaking they wern`t`gay I think but many, most or maybe all of the ancient greek philosphers had some gay sex. Salvador Dali was bisexual but not gay.