Taoist Texts

Then re-read 3 or 4 times... 

i promise;)

 

 

Narrater Long ago, there was a dealer who was in hurry going up to Kinokuni-hill in Akasaka Tokyo.

Dealer "This is not cool. I'll be late. But if I'm late this time, I'll get fired !" "Oh"

Narrater As you see, there is a person crying alone at the end of the hill. It seems to be a lady.

Lady "Boo-hoo..."

Dealer "Why are you crying that much ? What's wrong with you ? Come on, please stop crying and tell me what's wrong. I can help you"

Lady "Boo-hoo..."

Dealer "Please, lady. Please listen to me."

The lady turns around and shows her face

 

 

 

 

Dealer "Aaaaaah!!"

The dealer runs off and into the audience. The lady exits the stage.

Narrater The dealer ran through the hill, frantically. He kept running. After a while he found a light on the other side of hill. It was a noodle-stall, in which he found the light.

Dealer "Aaahh...Aaahh...Aaahh.."

Noodle vendor "Look here(?). What's wrong with you ?"

Customer　"Have you been attacked by a robber or something ?"

Dealer "I..I saw...a lady..on the other side of here.... It was night. She was crying ....I spoke to her, being worried about her. Then....she showed her..."

Noodle vendor "...Okay ?...So she showed her...what ?"

Dealer "Yeah...you asked what she showed ? I can't say !"

Noodle vendor "Well.....is the thing she showed was...."

Noodle vendor and customer "...something like this ?"

 

 

 

 

Dealer "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh"

 

 

Narrater Also, as for you ladies and gentlemen, please be careful when going up a hill. Otherwise... We'll show ourselves in front of you.

To be fair in context, Daeluin talked about the "process of reversal" and seems to me to want to suggest the focused practice issues.

 

Is  your bakers dozen among that?

You know Daeliun's essays are pleasant to read but hard to follow. Usually i have to reread them 3-4 times just to get the general idea.

My point is... let's not be so quick to criticism another issue going on here.... but stay with the quotes we respond to

You are pretty cryptic too at times btw;)

Maybe this type of questioning helps illuminate why teachers are hard to find.

What do you mean hard to find? There are like a bakers dozen of them on this forum alone, and zillions of them on the web. Now, may be you mean the recent photographs of their rapidly aging faces are hard to find...

 Other info is confidential or irrelevant (my age).

A youngish guy selling rejuvenation. Not much hands on experience there))

But "young looking old alchemist" is a hint that something is right.

is a non existent hint a sign that something is wrong?

 

Sorry, no pictures 

Even if these rejuvenation salesmen retouch the photographs of their twenty-something faces, the creeping up signs of the old age will be obvious. The  jowls that begin to sag, the receding hairline, the weakened eyes can not be hid.

 

Thats why there is no pictures. How long before those naive enough to go for a personal meeting will be taken aback by their sight muttering 'But dude..you  look old'. I am figuring 3-4 years.

None of the immortals will chase you with documents dated 1765 to get your attention 

One reason for that is their death certificate is  dated  1834.)

  If you do not identify yourself as a nazi and disagree with this racist view, 

Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rather than make some kind of statement with this, for now I'll just wait and see what anyone might have to say.

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Who knows?! 

 

I dont understand. You teach internal alchemy with knowing the answer to a pretty basic question? What about your teachers? Do they know?

I am sincerely curious about this -- how old are you, opendao? How old are the teachers in your school? Hundreds of years? Thousands? How many are there at this point?

 

I will be a dear and eversohelpfully bump this up;)

  I have not yet made the elixir but I now understand most of the procedure. I had no one to help, no teacher but that is the path of the alchemist, all these western alchemical text say they had to go through the same lonely journey with only a few old books to help them.

Finally! An honest alchemist! You are the man. Respect and sincere wishes for you to succeed.

I have studied alchemy for many years, mostly western alchemy and the old text. 

Great so you learned from books, thats fantastic. Any luck on making the elixir yet?

And what about ethic ? There is also a big difference between willing to live long and healthy for one's own benefits of having a good and full life and wanting to go beyond mortality in order to fulfill a cosmic role.

 What cosmic role?

If you learn Dao from a school, where the masters are sick, look old and die, then you waste time, and it cannot be named Neidan or Dao  

That is why there are no pictures of the masters who allegedly are not subject to these things. Because they are. (wink wink)

"All those who want to live a long life, but do not obtain the Divine Elixirs (shendan) and the Golden Liquor (jinye), merely bring suffering upon themselves.

 

Practising breathing and daoyin, exhaling the old and inhaling the new breath, and ingesting medicines of herbs and plants can extend the length of one's life, but does not allow one to escape death."

Huangdi jiuding shendan jingjue

 

Above we are told that breathing exercises, qigong, daoyin etc and the ingestion of herbs eg ginseng may extend life but does not allow one to escape death.

 

I would say the English translation is probably not exact because nobody can escape death totally 

 

黄帝受还丹至道于玄女。玄女者，天女也。黄帝合而服之，遂以登仙。玄女告黄帝日：凡欲长生，而不得神丹金液，徒自苦耳。虽呼吸导引，吐故纳新，及服草木之药，可得延年，不兔于死也

 

 

No, it is exact. 可得延年，can extend years 不兔于死也 will not escape death

Alchemy belongs to another age literally, you wont find them walking around, even if you go to remote mountains to seek them out it is unlikely you will find any,  

So you have seen no alchemist. Could you please tell us how your plan to become an alchemist yourself will work?

common sense tells us that improving health and living longer are worthwhile pursuits, whereas doing obscure things in order to live forever is not.

 

 

 

Perhaps alchemy should be considered a spiritual matter, rather than an extreme-longevity matter. Why confuse the subjects of being healthy and long-lived, with the subject of becoming a xian?

Because people pay more for the neidan promises of the health+rejuvenation+longevity+xianhood combo. Without getting anything eventually, of course.

Dao De Jing is the main source.  

Yes especially the bit about the horse manure. That just have to be about neidan, what else?

 

天下有道，卻走馬以糞。天下無道，戎馬生於郊。禍莫大於不知足；咎莫大於欲得。故知足之足，常足矣。

 

When the Dao prevails in the world, they send back their swift horses to (draw) the dung- carts

Like opendao said, finding a good teacher has always been hard, even in China. And I don't think that will change here in the West either. But neidan is also not meant for everybody, especially the higher levels. When people aren't ready for it they won't find it. And that is okay. 

Nathan could you please clarify. Does neidan involve attaining rejuvenation and/ or physical immortality?

Could you please share some sources that point to this being true?

I think this thread is just for saying things, no stinking sources required.

Waidan is the oldest!

No neidan is the oldest!

Waidan!

Neidan!

 

 

hehe;)

The practice of external Alchemy (waidan) is oldest. The waidan practitioner takes the ingredients seals them in a crucible, fires it and when the process is complete he crapes the elixir off the lid. Taking this powder he makes pills with it.

 

 

 

Early neidan practitioners were the same

 

is that why they are a called a different name?

"for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." 

yep. denial is not just a river in egypt.

It promises immortality, not immortality.

huh?

I seem to percieve an increase of Neidan in the west recently, more courses are being held, and more people seem to be practicing it than before. Has anyone else noticed it?

Of course. At the end of times the false teachings proliferate. Its in the scriptures.

 

This otherwise rather less well known practice seems to have gained more widespread recognition, which I think is rather good in itself. 

 

This practice promises rejuvenation and physical immortality. Do you believe these things are possible?

If you want to slow down the actual ageing process no amount of qi breathing exercises will help, you must become an alchemist if you want to look young in old age.

Have you seen some one like that? A young old alchemist?

Lao Tzu said nothing about shamanism, there is no reason to believe it's the path he laid forward.  He never spoke about communing with spirits, conversing with deities, he spoke against ritual, said nothing of incantations, etc...  Lao Tzu also never suggests that altering one's state of consciousness leads to any sort of understanding.   

 

hehe three years of ignorance and counting;)

 

 

I heard the following statement from Lao Dan:

 

"On the death of the son of Heaven, or of the prince of a state, it is the rule that the officer of prayer should take the tablets from all the other shrines and deposit them in that of the high ancestor, When the wailing was over, and the business (of placing the tablet of the deceased in its shrine) was completed, then every other tablet was restored to its shrine.

 

When a ruler abandoned his state, it was the rule that the Grand minister should take the tablets from all the shrines and follow him. When there was the united sacrifice in the shrine of the high ancestor, the officer of prayer met (and received) the tablets from the four shrines. When they were taken from their shrines or carried back to them all were required to keep out of the way."

 

So said Lao Dan.'

 

 

吾聞諸老聃曰：天子崩，國君薨，則祝取群廟之主而藏諸祖廟，禮也。卒哭成事而後，主各反其廟。君去其國，大宰取群廟之主以從，禮也。祫祭於祖，則祝迎四廟之主。主，出廟入廟必蹕；老聃云。」

It's not something real Daoists share on forums. 

 

They got nothing.

 

Again logic problem: if USSR succeeded Russian Empire as a country, it means absolutely nothing about their ideology succession. Go to school, it's annoying to debunk your childish and infinitely aggressive arguing. And read something about the difference between communism in USSR, Orthodox church that were banned and prosecuted in USSR, then about Stalin and his impact (yes, church was prosecuted severely). Damn, sure this anonymous nobody knows the truth, while people learnt the history knows nothing. Buffoon. Your "opinions" about Neidan have the same value as your opinions about history. You just know absolutely nothing. Keep proving it after every post I make.

This is one solid stream of insults uninterrupted by any logical reasoning. Which is good, because it does demonstrate that these salesmen have nothing but insults to sell or otherwise.

. Ancient histories describing the rise of states in the Korean peninsula, and the archaeology of the period—although later than state formation in China—suggest that shamanism is implicated in the organization of Korean states. For example, excavations of royal tombs reveal that the kings and queens of Old Silla (traditional dates 37 BCE to 668 CE) were interred with shamanistic crowns bearing gold antlers and stylized trees sprouting from a gold circlet as prominent symbols of royalty. Historic sources indicate that state rituals of the Goguryeo kingdom (traditional dates 57 BCE to 668 CE) did not merely tolerate shamans, but required their services to mediate disastrous events. A portrait of a woman shaman was painted on a Goguryeo tomb wall,