Taoist Texts

well yes when the neidan appears you are indeed without self/awareness. But here being is the neidan if by form you will mean the literal form of a literal thing then yes well it sounds outlandish but it is a literal new thing in your body: varying between a luminous golden pearl (or a millet grain) to a bright red shiny tangerine-sized ball.

Thanks and sorry. This is something lost in translation. This passage should be read not with 'being' as in 'human being' in mind, but 'being' as 'a thing' Like below whereas the thing in question is the internal elixir, the neidan

Not quite. In chinese neidan always meant only one thing: the drug. It is not a set of practices nor a body of knowledge, it is the tangible resulting object of those. In english medicine means 3 things: a drug, a set of practices, a body of knowledge. When the westerners misappropriated the word neidan they ascribed these 3 things to it. Thats what i mean by the modern western invention. defo, they wont;) Two things here: 1) saving all beings, is not what you guys think. Not by a long shot. 2) like you correctly noted neidan is useless for the most people, and those who are really interested in it will easily find very ample scholarly info on it, not the teacher garbage. not sure what that means but DDJ says evil arises from good Hehe, no is not possible because it is the seminar-hoppers who create seminar-sellers. Nor desirable, because the suffering humans crave hope, and i am too kind to deny them that even if i could. Absolutely no harm, but like i said no good either. Just another 15 minites of useless typing down the drain. All in all good questions, man, thanks;) Unfortunately it is not possible, the medicine of neidan being a quantum thing: either you have 100% of it or none at all.

no;) not recorded there http://www.shixiu.net/dujing/daojiaojingdian/1019.html the term's history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#Terminology maybe he should, but he wonders what good will possibly come out of it? I am a chosen one. Yet i am a total loser in all other respects, so i dont have any illusions of grandeur. My gift is not bankable. Its more of a curse actually.

Neidan is a made-up western word which means 1) the teaching of alchemy, 2) the practice of alchemy 3) the product of alchemy (the elixir). These are 3 different things yet the westerners lump all 3 of them into one fake term The westerners made up this fake term in order to delude themselves that they can A) understand the alchemy, B ) practice the alchemy C) teach the alchemy - without ever D) producing the elixir. To answer your question: NO. For normal people, with or without a teacher, it is not possible. YES . For a particularly gifted, 1-in-a-billion person, it is possible . This exceptional book explains " LDT meditation technique" for virtue, health, power and wisdom in complete detail. Who could get these results from this book will be able to advance to neidan.

Hear ye! Hear ye! Ye olde folks! King @silent thunder is right. I'm a lurer, i'm a flaker, i'm an interwebs storymaker. Pls shame and/or ignore me. Exactly like i predicted you chose to twist my words. I never said "your problem comes from practicing neidan or Qigong." I said: Your problems of violent thoughts and headache comes from fantasizing about Yes, i know you dont see the connection but it is not my problem anymore. Over and out. Surely it is not a Quanzhen lineage. Because as a real lineage holder of Quanzhen, the very first thing that I transmit is the danger of anger and how to get rid of it. It is the fundamental tenet of real Quanzhen patriarchs. Strange that your holders never mentioned it over 12 years. You sound very angry at my silliness. Here, i have a write-up for you, it should help:

sorry could not find the technique with ggl. And who is your teacher IRL?

i dont know;) in our lil version the pre-H comes from 'outside' or from 'empty-nothing' and the Du-Ren are the conduits for the pre-H. what does it feel like? where does it come from?

Ai-ya! Levity and Irreverence! Amitofo shifu! In general any stage in nedan is described two-fold: 1 how it feels 2 what does it produce. So for MCO 1 is a very special qi rotating in Ren-du, autonomously (not a regular qi) 2 it immediately produces something very special called the elixir (it is unlike anything else). If any of these characteristics are lacking it is not an MCO. the heat comes from restless thoughts. it is a sign of progress but also of danger. You are a calm man by nature with calm thoughts and calm qi, hence no heat, which is good.

You do not see the connection but your serious health issue is caused by this kind of groundless fantasizing. It is not too late to refrain from these fantasies, then you will get well. Here is my reference to help you: https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/40543-misconceptions-of-qigong-neidan-alchemy-20/?do=findComment&comment=676097 Please get well soon. Yes @silent thunder it is my shtick, you are right. if you interested let me know, we can have a thoughtful discussion on whether these entrepreneurs are the real McCoy. If not, please consider that them, their ilk, and their marketing, have directly whipped this young man's illness (and the deviations of many others like him).

thats quite all right, its normal. The thing about cycles and stages is that they often happen simultaneously, and also it is hard to know which is which without a personal experience of the MCO. In addition, since not a single teacher on the market experienced the MCO so far, so...all in all its a tough row to hoe.

ah how the mighty have fallen. When the neidan market was in full swing they claimed that you have to make a pilgrimage, swear a blood oath, get a magical lineage oral secret heart transmission through personal touch face to face...but when the market dried up suddenly a boiler-plate video is just fine makes you wonder

excellent. now whoever figures out to what are these two events causally connected - will understand how magic works

not sure if you want me reply but here goes;) it is only impossible to know because we did not define the term 'synchronicity' - once we define it properly, then it is quite possible. of course i can, because it is a rhyme for the ages

Yes only a Xian can teach Xian-hood. Either there is a hurdle or there is larping. To each his own, its a free country There once was a teacher of tennis Who charged the fools pretty pennies Never won Wimbledon Nor a racket he owned Since he was such a larping genius Thanks for the story. The principle of magic is synchronicity which in turns works like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics) meaning we must not know if it us who do the magic or things just happen on their own. If the magician is sure it is him then he deludes himself. first physical then spiritual the exact mechanism is secret, but the general answer is : by going back to the Immortal Source

@TaomeowI did not say anything like that. And take my word, i dont think that either. I only mentioned the liver concretely to show that I pay attention to what you say. So, if we had some crossed wires, I apologize , please forgive me kindly. this post of yours I dont remember, I was not referring to you, there was a gent who claimed that Could not put it better myself, thats why all these young western guys peddling the fountain of youth make me laugh interestingly 'hitting with the liver' is mentioned in my authoritative sources on Xingyiquan, so what you related is doable, I have no doubts about that. My take it that the lump travelling under the skin was not the liver itself, but a lump of the liver qi travelling along the liver meridian. you cannot see it but i am waving a white flag right now. Or may be you can?;)

yes, totally true;) not so much different as covering the different aspects of the same psychosomatic phenomena. Buddism is concerned with the psycho part, while Daosim with the somatic part literally every one. E. g. 6. Signs of Verification of Turning Around the Light http://thesecretofthegoldenflower.com/ch6.html or https://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/Poets/L/LuTungPin/HundredChara/index.html

well yes and no. This signs are available to the public, but they are not understandable to the public, only to those who experienced the signs himself yes obvious, only to those who experienced the same progress himself oral transmission as separate from texts and comprising what is lacking in texts does not exist. what does exist is oral explanation of texts. So the answer is no, all the signs are described in texts. That said, some small number of the signs is described in code or mentioned rarely.

yes finger is a designation for a thing or simply speaking, finger is a name of a thing. which interestingly is correct because 'a table' contains no description of the table. if tomorrow we agree to call a table by the name of 'droink' it would work too.

very commendable. a noble undertaking indeed. you seem to be doing fine but i wish you would tell us your understanding of what these cryptic sentences mean and why they were uttered. otherwise they dont make much sense. E.g Huh? This is not quite clear. However once we learn who is the author https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gongsun_Long it may dawn on us that this a very pragmatic, political discourse with implications echoing for millennia to come.

Greetings and salutations! I remember exchanging 3 or 4 messages with him on this forum when he was introducing his new book . Long time ago, and for the life of me i cant find those now. If you wanna know anything specific pls let me know. Ironically his groundbreaking work is on the laboratory elixir which understandably is of only academic interest.

i totally do. like i mentioned in our field of neidan immortality is predicated on having the elixir. so the elixir is a proxy for immortality. having the elixir cannot be proven to an outsider but having the elixir can totally be verbally proven to an experienced insider. It is the same in Buddhism with 'emptiness', advaita and ony other milestones. Any milestones in buddhism or taoism can be verbally described and whoever experienced these milestones will unavoidably describe them using certain keywords (even without ever hearing those keywords before). Thats why i always ask 'hey what thats feel like' and if i get a shuffle dance in lieu of a precise reply i know that is not it;) excellent, here he is https://g.co/kgs/dhtqmDx (i hope i got the pronoun right)

all right hombre thats it,now you owe us a strange and unusual anecdote of your own personal experience pretty please (not necessarily a haha anecdote, otherwise that would turn into an inside joke) eh its an albatross around my pencil neck i tell ya

of course you did , and you were. Thank you very much. Who can forget the curious case of the travelling liver? Not me. or this. Or the senior citizen who on this forum claimed to deflect a hurricane with magic. If an eyewitness says it happened then it happened. No argument there, i am totally convinced that it did happen for you good folk. Unfortuntely, it did not not happen in my reality which is my loss;) Going back to the OP, what WLP and Brine purport to teach is immortality (neidan in western parlance) . Its a weird way to make a living but hey, not the weirdest one. Now when a teacher teaches immortality, is either he is an immortal already - then he knows what he teaches. Or he is not immortal yet - then he is a fraud. And being immortal or not starts from having a little thing called neidan, or the elixir. So per the OP whoever is interested in Brine just gotta ask him: "Sifu with all due respect, you teach neidan, so....do you have the neidan? " Then watch the shuffle dance begin.