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20 minutes ago, Nintendao said:how bad did i butcher it?
you did fine given the
20 minutes ago, Nintendao said:常 eternal
氣 qi
東 east
朱 vermilionthis is a well known phrase 紫气东来
zǐ qì dōng lái The Purple Qi comes from the east -- a propitious omen of Lao-zi's arrival (and departure to the west)-
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1 hour ago, blue eyed snake said:what is he holding? is that a musical instrument? or a calabas? or...
It's a fan, 😎
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10 minutes ago, snowymountains said:He was the most brutal debunker ever 😂Those who were supposedly enjoying supernatural powers due to Qi got quite the mauling from him.
he did not debunk anything since the qi superpower enjoyers did not claim invincibility. naturally, his fans were unable to distinguish between superpowers and invincibility
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Most dramatic debunking of paranormal claims is the way those paranormals eke out their living: they peddle seminars on how to learn paranormal-ing. Pretty cheap too - $149.99 on how to learn magic; $999.99 - on how to learn electrocuting. Instead of earning mega millions with their juju you know...;)
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2 hours ago, zoe said:1. Are the various energies like Qi/Jing/etc. in Qi Gong etc. relevant (or necessary) to Golden Flower practice? And if the answer isn't exact is there any value to syncreticism between them? I have no familiarity at all with these things.
2. if not entirely irrelevant, is there some reading anyone could recommend to get me up to speed on the above matters?
3. Would you generally recommend just reading the I-Ching itself to get an understanding of its basic concepts (and if so, what translations are prefered)? Golden Flower references it a lot and I'm hoping I might get something out of understanding the context better.no, no and no. GF is self sufficient
2 hours ago, zoe said:1. Has anyone had experience with antidepressants and Golden Flower practice?
as long as you are not under the influence medication does not matter
2 hours ago, zoe said:How do I deal with this?
have to persevere, there is no other way (as long as there are no negative side effects)
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16 hours ago, Taomeow said:As someone who squats habitually and with ease (a lifelong habit), I doubt that "sit on the floor with one's legs spread apart and stretched out" equals "squatting." Methinks it's two different poses
exactly, very good: two different. The original says Chuang sits like this
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8 minutes ago, Master Logray said:The confusion may be like this. The teacher showed a flower. Only one student smiled, indicating he knew the genuine meaning. Is it communication? non-verbal? psychic?
depends on what the flower means;)
9 minutes ago, Master Logray said:One interesting thing is the earlier part of the sentence, 教外別傳 (preaching outside of the religion). This phrase is mentioned in many Taoist books
thats true
Quotethe four-fold phrasing that came to be used in Song dynasty China to characterize Chan distinctiveness:
a special transmission outside the scriptures (jiaowai biechuan, 教外別傳); not established upon words and letters (buli wenzi, 不立文字); directly pointing to the human heartmind (zhizhi renxin, 直指人心); seeing nature and becoming a Buddha (jianxing chengfo, 見性成佛).
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/buddhism-chan/
教外別傳 simply means that it is a new kind of individual-cultivation budddhism as opposed to old congregation-cultivation budddhism
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7 minutes ago, Maddie said:I have no idea what anyone is talking about lol.
we have none either so welcome to the club!
3 minutes ago, Master Logray said:Reading your link, it doesn't seem to imply anything about psychic transmission of information
of course not. because there is no such thing and because the original chinese phrase means nothing of the sort. the westerners twisted the phrase to suit their speculations as to what pointing or transmission means in chinese
直指人心 ( a teaching which is about) pointing to the human heart; not pointing to student what he should do. heh, such twisting of the original is so funny, gets me every time;)
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1 hour ago, Antares said:It depends what "direct pointing" means.
oh it means whatever the westerners speculate it means;) in your case you speculate that 2 different chinese words mean the same thing: i.e pointing means transmission. good for you;)
1 hour ago, snowymountains said:In Zen it's not really a set of teachings that's transmitted
well the Zen founder, Bodhidharma begs to differ “不立文字，教外别传，直指人心，见性成佛”
but hey...;)
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On 07.01.2024 at 10:34 PM, snowymountains said:I was wondering, do Daoist arts often include the practice of direct pointing from teacher to student? If so, is this a "core" method for transmitting knowledge?
no and no;) Simply because there never was such thing as "direct pointing from teacher to student" . " Direct pointing " is a characteristic of Bodhi's teaching. It is absolutely not a method of transmission from teacher to student although it may sound like one. It is something that a practicer does on his own. This phrase:
Quotedescribes the teaching of the Zen school that enlightenment is not achieved through scriptural or doctrinal study, but by directly beholding and penetrating the true nature of the mind through seated meditation (zazen ).
http://tibetanbuddhistencyclopedia.com/en/index.php?title=Direct_pointing_to_the_human_mind
It is a Chan/Zen thing, Daoists may or may not use this phrase ocassionally, but it is not what we do;)
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1 hour ago, Taomeow said:not to scare a loved one's ghost away but, on the contrary, to guide it home
very good;) yes thats true. to their own new home, separate from the living
/Early Daoist Scriptures By Stephen R. Bokenkamp, Peter Nickerson/
1 hour ago, Taomeow said:Zhuangzi is indeed waxing philosophical in this episode rather than trying to shoo his wife's ghost away.
I am sure you wondered why he was doing it squatted as opposed to sitting normally? Good question, most readers just skip over that part. Because 箕踞 jījù [sit on the floor with one's legs spread apart and stretched out] is a very specific posture according to the chinese body-language. It is both insulting to the observer and shameful for the sitter. Yet in wizardry it is used to ward off and to dominate evil ghosts as in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuanwu_(god)
Btw, since you mentioned that famous wuxia film there is another wuxia classic Hero (2002). it contains a famous (for the classically educated chinese) instance of this posture: when the attempt at the emperors life fails and the assassin is killed, in the final act of defiance he dies assuming this posture, as recorded by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sima_Qian
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a good example how Watts and his lot of western taoists totally misread the real ones. In this particular case the whole meaning of the parable is that Chuang's sings and drums for a very specific purpose, which has nothing to do with anything the westerners can even imagine.
Namely he does that to scare his wife's ghost away. It is a chinese custom the westerners have no clue about; so they have to make up some ridiculous new-agee explanations for his singing.
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1 hour ago, snowymountains said:The results are not always easily measurable,
are they even nameable?
1 hour ago, snowymountains said:there's just no way to know beforehand if the teacher is showing the "real thing".
of course no way if we keep a taboo on naming the real thing . how can we know if there is something if we are too scared to say its name;) does the real thing have a name?
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1 hour ago, snowymountains said:I wonder, why don't state-recognized temples have a system that allows transparency, like a "who's who" that someone can enquire.
because they do not want to share their status and profits with those who they endorse, so they do not endorse anyone. besides the temples are recognized only in China
1 hour ago, snowymountains said:In Daoism arts I see of that X wrote that book etc, but nowhere do I see any verifiable chain of proof of who is X and where did they learn the techniques from.
how about looking at his results
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On 11.01.2024 at 1:55 AM, snowymountains said:According to Bruce Francis there are Water and Fire meditation methods, he's also written some books on the water methods.
no, while water and fire are traditional terms, there are no such 'methods'. he or those who duped him made those up
On 11.01.2024 at 1:55 AM, snowymountains said:Are Francis' books on the water methods good?
no;)
On 11.01.2024 at 1:55 AM, snowymountains said:as in are the instructions on the book sufficient to practice the meditations ?
sure why not. the question is what good will come out of it.
On 11.01.2024 at 1:55 AM, snowymountains said:Also, are they real/traditional meditations transmitted from a Taoist lineage ( as opposed to being eg inspired by original lineage practices ) ?
no there is no lineage there except a sham one
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10 hours ago, snowymountains said:Is the "The Taoist Classics" by Cleary as good translation of the said Taoist texts ?
no, anything by Cleary is not good. That said, of those exact texts, there is no other transl that is better than his.
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1 hour ago, Master Logray said:Get company, guides and read map/manual/travel stories
if i may ask, what exactly did you personally achieve with this exact approach?
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3 hours ago, dwai said:Life force is that which animates the living being
apparently you never been suffocated
QuoteLanguage is an acquired skill.
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44 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:How would I know if I have a lower dan tien or not?
if you had to ask then you already have it
10 minutes ago, Michael Sternbach said:Everyone has all three Dantians, ....
The only way to actually know you have an LDT is to directly experience it
there is a joke somewhere here
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35 minutes ago, Mig said:So is it necessary to learn Chinese or not to read or understand (to practice in life) the old classics?
not necessary. except ppl do not know how to think critically in any language. which in turn results in words losing their meaning. ppl lost the ability to ask themselves 'what does this mean in real world'? instead they read not what the classic says in black and white, but their own opinions .
40 minutes ago, Mig said:The famous dichotomy of religious and philosophical Daoism
to wit. Ppl repeat that without thinking how the hell would that be possible in real world back then?
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1 hour ago, Cobie said:@Taoist Texts what does it mean “The goal of alchemy is to shed all Yin”?
can't tell you concretely because it is a technical secret but basically it means to join with the dao. in the process the yin is not shed, on the contrary it is gained. as usual the outsiders get the idea totally opposite to the real thing.
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2 hours ago, Cobie said:
@Taoist Texts is this true?a broken clock is right twice a day. yes there is such a phrase. of course those who parrot it have no clue what it means
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On 12/24/2023 at 8:00 PM, Jadespear said:They are not subjective at all, they are an objective expression that creates events in real time that can be observed by anyone.
anyone eh? so which siddhi did you personally observe?
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8 hours ago, Cobie said:I find it hard to see a connection between these quotes, and the later Confucianism that imposes all kinds of restrictions. Just like there’s Laozi-ism vs later Taoism, would you say there’s also Confucianism vs later Confused-ianism?
no there is not. you see people think that wu-wei is some kind of happy-go-lucky pink unicorn idyll. but in the real world wu-wei is based on very tight restrictions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_the_Five_Pecks_of_Rice#Organization
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Can jing be replenished?
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i am sure they did but judging by the interwebs they tout the orbit
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