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t gets worse ; some newage dickwit here on the commune wants me to forgive her ( for harming native animals ) .. while she is still doing it and intends to do it in the future !

and there you have it folks ! ^ How we used to organize things and meet up ..... before mobile phones, social media and the internet !

Like I said ; first step on the path - a probationer or minerval , certainly not an adept at this stage . yep ... 'step right off the cliff' with no support . What you do ( probably ) is supply that barking dog ... and can 'wing it ' I used to keep a record of entrants and those I considered successful ; I think about 35 came in and maybe 4 found success . Hmmm ... maybe your 22 A is the Fool at the end ? Start as the Fool , go through the cycle and end as the Fool ( but with a 'difference' ) Yet is the most uncommon of human 'virtues' . Not always so, in my observations ... some ( a very few ) have gone (after developments NOT in a school ) straight to R+C level * and work in various fields of healing with special natural abilities . * a type of equivalent to Bodhisattva

By a duck pond . I am glad you thought my post was funny up there . I also posted it on my history forum amidst all sorts of serious joyful traditional corny Christmas music that people were posting and it got two likes ! as if some didnt see any discrepancy in what I wrote and the 'music ' anyway here is another 'Viking ' favorite ( an oldie but a goodie ) Viking birthday song .... sing it to your friends on their special day

and the illustration for that part

Well, one use is to know the best timing for when to do certain rituals , but since you dont do ritual , what sort of things do you use it for ? I used to use parts of astrology ... and planetary movement for agriculture , particularly certain Moon rhythms , including Moon opposition Saturn, sidereal , synodic , tropical ,apogee-perige, cycles I also had a big chart I used to track things on .... Moon crossing equator seems significant , and Lunar nodes , traditionally all agricultural work suspended , etc . .

Eh ? You used astrological timing to decide when to read certain books about magick ? Okay ... I suppose that makes sense .

I think the end thing is a jizz . After more research, the justification seems to be when one does the first part and gets K&C of HGA after all that arising to Holy heights , one becomes morally superhuman . After forcing AI to go down the paths of my commands ( if ya cant force spirits , you can still force AI ) and demanding in depth justification on this the view given was ( taking two of the examples ; Such a pure being will then not be disturbed by dancing girls , nor feel lust or ( whatever ) but will just appreciate art and beauty . I asked why not just go around and appreciate other types of art and beauty . The invocation of the dancing girls then is not a test .... tis sort of a demonstration of your purity ( ) and the power trips , causing destruction ? Well only a pure or enlightened being can wield that power justly ... they know who the enemy is and the bad people and would only destroy them . ( Ri i i ght ! we seen that one before ! ... the enemy is obviously the Swedes ! or is it the Bavarians .... Irish ? ... people with dark hair ? Anyone not Christian ... or the right sect of Christian ... etc ' Gold breast plates and armor ? Whats with that ? Do you think its some kind of aureola ? For me , at most , these beings ( and the classic 'angel with wings ) seem to have a function where they are 'closed over' , either with the wings depicted as folding over them or an orb or egg shape they appear in, being able to open or close . This 'casing' has various names in tradition ; Depending on the specific shape and tradition, this enclosing casing may be called: Mandorla: An almond-shaped or oval aureola that frames the whole figure. It is one of the most common ways to depict an angel or divine being completely enclosed in a radiant frame, especially in Byzantine and Medieval art. Vesica Piscis: A specific geometric shape (the intersection of two circles) used to create the mandorla that "encloses" the figure. Glory: A term sometimes used to describe the combination of a head halo and a body aureola, together forming a complete radiant casing around the individual. Velificatio: In some classical and Renaissance art, this refers to a piece of fabric or a "casing" of drapery that arches or folds over a figure in a billowing, enclosing manner. If you are referring to a biblical description of an angel's own physical features, Seraphim are described as having six wings, with four of them used to "fold over" and cover their entire bodies (their faces and their feet) for protection or modesty in the presence of God.

... which leads me onto ...... why do it all in the first place ? Try , from 30:00 onwards below ( the more I hear these guys talk, the more I want to listen to . many interesting points are discussed in the whole video - and show some 'east meets west' traditions and work .

.... so even AI admits its okay not to be ok

a question for AI or anyone that uses it like the above 'production' ; When you make a video ... why not show an actual video recording of what happened .... instead of one picture with a verbal story ???? Wanna have some fun ? Ask AI these series of questions ; '' Do you hallucinate ? answer ; blah blah blah ... then '' Are you hallucinating now ? '' and then '' How do you know you are not ?'' and then ''But that could be an hallucination too .'' - and so on . - the answers might surprise you

and I liked it when you posted it before too ... Nothing like a gopher tuna ! Actually, if I went to an orchestra choir performance and they sang those words .... a bit like a catholic high Mass Everyone gets a vovo biscuit ! (or some gopher tuna )

Random Latin in the head most of it has finally evaporated . But you get a LOT of that if you where a little catholic kid in church back 'then' ... long gruelling painful Mass in Latin .... ( ''Whats that guy doing up there ... what is he saying ? Now he is making one of those 'air crosses' over us and telling us to dominate ' vov-vo biscuits ' ? an iced vo-vo biscuit and we were supposed to say ' we will come and spit on you ' ( Priest ; '' "Dominus vobiscum" People ; '' "Et cum spiritu tuo" )

So , you school doesnt study tarot that much then ? Nor see the significance of an origin in 0 ( the Fools actual arcana 'number' ) ? (For those that doent understand , in magic the Fool represents the first step into magical 'cultivation ' and in a group would be symbolized by the Probationer, Neophyte or Minerval titles . In my experience this is incorrect ... some 'come here ' as 'naturals ' without much teaching needed , maybe a bit of realization and adjustment . While some others might get all your describe and fail miserably ... leading me to assume , some 'proclivity ' (at least ) might be required . OR one might say , you need the right 'make up' ( which can be checked on a natal chart ) . I realize my information might radically differ from some , but I dont run any type of school , nor require students, chelas members or their fees . going into my personal funds . Written in a post, you mean Not all of them , and a lot of that was there in the beginning and practice 'bought it up ' . I can agree with the last paragraph . he is definitely a 'loner' .

he still has a site active ? I'd like to see a list of where he lifted ( working ) stuff from . . . if you already made one . I wonder if he ever pops back here for a peek ?

Hi Sawan . How were you 'in ' ceremonial magic ? Did you practice it and if so what ; what forms or rites or rituals did you do? Was the astrology used in conjunction with that ( to decide 'when' to specific rituals or processes ) or for other purposes ?

everything is not perfect ..... down at Bondi beach

regardless if we are the only planet with religion or not and if one one wants to believe Zachariah Sitchen or not , who cant even read the original documents he 'translates' , ( and I fail to see how that answers your question or helps you in any way ) .... It is thought it was a response to the need of early humans seeking meaning to observations and personal and shared experiences. The first signs seem to be burial rituals that enclosed artifacts . Then we evidence of animism and shamanism . Then there seems an organisation and structure of polytheism and later 'organised religion' were gods , stories , ancestral heroes , myths and social function and law * . It can be seen this parallels the development of human society and is linked in with the need to explain 'how the world works' , how communities are bonded and how we cope with the issue of death . * In many cases the word we translate into 'religion' from other older languages is 'law' or a similar idea . Judaism (Halaka) and actually Judaeo-Christian religion's fundamental teaching is encapsulated in 10 laws . A lot of the Qur'an is about law ( sharia ) and indigenous Aboriginal religions certainly link the two . Its at the root of the most ancient and the most modern 'organised' religions .

Weekend ? Use the 'see a football match' square . possibly okay in what way ? General use or that use specific to Abramelin working ? I mean , I think my use of them is 'ok' but I wouldnt use them for those mundane purposes , IMO - not okay . I know ... I know .... after becoming so 'Abrameliny Holy ' one just perviews dancing girls without lust or ... anything ... just an appreciation of art and beauty , and of course after finding treasure the successful operatopr will never use it for un spiritual purposes ... like wise enacting curses and destruction; well, the 'enlightened ' would only do that to those that deserve it Dont get .... in what way .... why they are there at all or how they are supposed to work ? I am supposing you understand the number patterns involved . So then each square has a number attached . To get the sigil, the basic rule is ; converting the letters in their names to numeric value ( via 'kabbalah of 9 chambers ' ) then marking those numbers on the square , then its a case of 'join the dots' with ( some artistic license ). Having the sigil is part of asserting control over the demon . Basic instructions ; ( Just in case you want to try the 'whole deal ' .... even though I know what you are going to do ! ' Some Arab's grimoire ' . Supposedly, the first magic squares were known in China but use to form sigils or similar occult purpose around 12th C by Arabs+ and Islam associating them with angels * ... and of course crossing over to Judaism and Christianity ( the 'religious setting ' the rite is in ) , via Solomon ... maybe the first widely known magician.... who could control djin . As Islamic works began to penetrate Europe , first was the idea of linking magic squares to planets ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Fixed_Stars then to planets and the planets associated angels (and demons ) ... https://ciphermysteries.com/2018/03/25/the-liber-de-angelis-and-the-voynich-manuscripts-planet-sequence and a whole range of others ... coming to , 16th C and the famous 'originator ' of much modern magic Agrippa : https://www.thedaobums.com/forum/407-agrippa-textual-study/ + eg . . ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shams_al-Ma'arif * eg relating the 3 x3 'wafg' to the 4 archangels . Not to my main work . And I would say adding that on to Abramelin ( considering their 'powers' , usage and purpose * ), after all that devotion and 'holiness' speaks for itself . * eg, if I 'get hold' of Kedemel , I am not going to compel her to make me see dancing maidens on a Wednesday , or Barzabel to cause a domestic argument with my neighbors on a Tuesday ..... for me it would be to balance the Venus and Mars aspects in my psyche . yet again ... Liber Librae '' ... For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee. '' which is what usually eventuates from these enterprises , or more usually (and in the case of this film ) these weaknesses are already present and enter and corrupt the preliminary purification period , hence corrupting the ritual and output . Wait ! Isnt everything just subjective mind tricks ? I dont really go along with those comparisons ... its within the traditions own explanations where we realize the essential differences eg I dont see Abremalin working as similar to 'stream entry ' as Abremalin ritual (probably ) will not give you 'complete certitude in Buddha , Dhamma and Sanga ' .

Just the first part of Abremelin or including the second ( appearance of angel ) ... I am assuming certainly not the third part of Abremalin ? if just the first part ... its a common preliminary in many traditions .

I suppose your HGA appears , you have a chat ... and you are ; '' Mhe .... '' ( It was only the hotel waiter hiding behind the curtains )

This is what seems to happen . Conversely I got great results and blabber about it all the time , yet find it hard to pin down the actual work or single ritual that did it for me . Its been broached here in a few posts and in the vid above ; constant dedication , purification . oration / invocation , emotive desire , mental will , physical process ( ritual / retreat , etc ) and 'spiritual connection' to self/s . There are essential things behind all practices , regardless of the 'cultural clothing' those practices wear . probably because we all share similarities in the human psyche . - a point about 'magical results' ...... work work work ... nothing ! But then later ...... Someone hodge podged it all together ; taking the first principle of 'isolation / retreat / meditation / hermitage / vipassana ' ie. preparation by isolation from 'untoward ' influences ... letting arise , etc . 40 days in the desert ... all sorts of things can happen ; Crowley put it simply '' Super-consciousness of the highest order is obtainable by known methods.... '' and '' Super-consciousness is a natural phenomenon ; its conditions are therefore to be sought rather in the acts than the words of those who attained it. The essential acts are retirement and concentration ——as taught by Yoga and Ceremonial Magic. '' https://keepsilence.org/the-equinox/1.2/postcards-to-probationers_low.pdf and attached it to this ' commanding demons ' ( fair enough ) but to fulfill base desires ( wtf ? ) IMO its all about ( or should have been or should be ) establishing and clearing the hierarchy of the psyche ; first purify and train and get clear in 'self' , next 'get clear ' on your spiritual hierarchy ( one's own 'hierarchy of being ' ) and start with invoking a higher principle in it ( but not one we are normally aware of ) ie, 'HGA ' then deal with the 'lower' or 'daemonic ' aspects , so the whole psyche works in unison according to will . The compiler maybe didnt understand any other process but knew about the squares and commanding demons so 'stuck that in ' ... or maybe just not the compiler , maybe the whole tradition had no other 'end to attach to it ' ? Its an awful lot of work though ... just to 'see dancing girls on a Wednesday ' Moving on to the alternative part 3' of the working ; '' On them will I impose my will - The Law of light . '' Ooooo ... its so good , here is all of it ; For me its about bringing lower aspects and drives ( ' that can develop 'personalities' , mini -selves ' , programs , splits or even 'rebellious spirits ') into concert with 'the one' and not to be in conflict with each other . ( However I am not denying 'outside influence' or 'invasive issues' as well ) Ngondro seems an essential preliminary ... like the above , but in the above it is also an essential preliminary . So I would not say the whole Abramelin operation is like nogondro ... just part 1 .

Just for fun I asked AI is there a correlation between australian indigenous moiety and the I Ching ?

It wasn't 'us' . But ... wait for it .... ( a Polynesian joke ) ... he weren't called 'Cook' for nothing . No .... I have looked into the concept a bit though . Its an interesting subject ; people that came here and interacted in various ways with the indigenous - pre Capt Cook .

- in any case I suppose a follow up discussion could be on 01:37:16 - Questioning pragmatic dharma assumptions and the vogue of stream entry