Nungali

I had a quick look at that - interesting . An interesting converse could be had about that , particularly the ideas of invocation and evocation .

Basically that there is not 'a self' ..... normally . We run on all sorts of 'drives' , influences , conditioning, programs. I have a long history studying cultural anthropology , comparative religion and western ritual magic .... and some experience 'in the field ' . Mostly it is based on the Hierarchy of Spirits model and modified by the principle mentioned above with finding the internal structure 'instructions' within the arrangement and structure of the initiatory organisation * ( and modified by my own and others relevant research and findings ) . To simplify it, it can be seen as basic magical practice / realization . One way to explain it simply is to put the psyche on the Tree of Life ( note, not the body ... that does not really work and was one of those HGD 'innovations' . ) basically the Magician is , or should be training to become , the King of the psyche ( the Kingdom ) First you have a Kingdom - the psyche . Upon that you must start with building a firm foundation ( in all sorts of ways ! ) . A King must have majesty and victory ( or he is 'overthrone' ) ... these titles also relate to the mind and emotions ; the 'sciences ' ( hermetic and others ) and 'nezach' also being 'love' . beauty of spirit and heart ... the 'lion / Sun force' and the 'ego' at the center ( some might say 'the King himself' ) . power and mercy or severity and mercy are the 'left and right arms' of the King eg. '' 12. Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil.'' then above the abyss ( Daath ) the King should have understanding , especially the understanding of how the 'world and nature works' and the understanding of the repercussions of his own decisions and actions , going out into that world of nature and interacting and effecting its forces and those forces affecting him . Then wisdom develops , which is the 'if and when ' of such actions , with the considerations of the previous understandings ... then one may come to place the magicians crown upon the head In hermetics the prime directive ( as it was said to be inscribed on the archway into the divine rites 'arena' ) ' Man , know thyself ' , to me this includes all the above ( as well as the anthropology - the study of Man , and the other subjects I studied ; religion , psychology etc . ) - there is a 'hermetic planetary descent incarnation concept' ; as if, when one incarnates , we come 'in' via the planetary hierarchy and 'land' on earth . On the way we pick up the positive and negative aspects of the planetary energies and during our life we are to work on them , refine them and balance them . Each sphere on the Tree of Life can be related to a planet with these energies as well . But that is just the 'template ' , as we know the planets move around and create different angular relationships , bring forth or suppressing various positive and negative aspects - hence the natal horoscope , which gives us a more individually defined path and 'map' of the development required . There is more ... like other systems such as exo-psychology and methods and practices .... but I will leave it here at the moment , ... the hierarchy ... without a hierarchy or a King ..... we can end up a real mess - disturbed psychologically , perhaps not realizing our goals and purpose here (in this incarnation ) ... or actually ... just 'normal ' ( and yes that is a problem ... that becomes apparent when you also study history and current affairs .... we are a bit of a mess ! - if not a rampaging murderous destructive maniac .... collectively ) . * - a difficult reference to cite as it is knowledge 'under oath' and the public documents do not show that specific instruction.... however a question to AI shows ; '' ... provides the foundational framework for the order's governance, which members are expected to study and understand to better govern their own lives .... ''

Thanks for the response . I have a few posts around here relating to my views and research on it . There is the paper by Dr Wilson van Dusen - the evidence of spirits in madness ( Dr Van Dusen was head psychiatrist at a US state hospital ) where also he observed positive and negative 'matrices ' ( ' beings ' , or in his clinical language - hallucinations of good or bad order ) that seemed to comply with the hierarchies Swedenborg detailed ) . Some posts outlining my own work and going way back somewhere here .... some pictures of my temple set up . Some info on possible internal structures and arrangements and how that intersects with initiatory organisations structure as a model for a private one . And of course I have my own '' set of methods and approaches for observing destructive tendencies of the mind ... and what can be done to counterbalance it.'' Are you familiar with IFT ? https://psychology.org.au/for-members/publications/inpsych/2022/winter-2022/internal-family-systems-therapy What I am seeing here is an emergent understanding of the 'hierarchy of spirits' theory that is behind Goetia . An understanding on how it can be used to regulate and improve psychology and spirit and heal associated disruptions - first , within magical initiatory orders , then with what seemed a lone psychologist / psychiatrist ( Dr Van Dusen ) and now a whole psychological movement . Although I feel the IFT psychology is missing a few major points - that might be fuel for an interesting discussion . ( can you cite the author and/or their work you mentioned above ? )

No . I talk to myself but here I write for others to read . 'We' ? I am of no mind about it . I am in my way at this moment , I am in my place where I am ( and live here daily ) . I found it decades ago and before that I have been awake since 1965 . The way at this moment moves towards dinner time . I shall practice my cooking . ... and try to be single pointed conscious in doing it .

That sounded rather ......... ominous .

'' Ahhhhh ..... that's 'better' ? ''

Its almost as if the Egyptians believed nothing existed by itself but in relation to everything else .

You got rogered ?

The beir or 'lion bed ' . What is the significance of the lion here ? [ I have one on my small back verandah / landing ; I had a statue of Anubis with hands extended over a mummy lying on a bier with a big lions head on one end . It got moved around ( after sitting on the table on my GFs side of the bed - she was working as a mortician then ) the mummy was a separate piece and ended up ??? The rest ended up outside near the bench I sit on to have my morning coffee fix . Out in the garden I saw a bush turkey come in and start digging up a new plant , I hoiked a stick at it , hit a tree, bounced off , got Anubis, knocked off an arm and one ear . So now this lion bier just sits there like a little table on the bench ]

And correct mental attitude for sword work

'Existence' ... by itself - 'pure existence' ... is a state . When you are in that 'certain state ' , there is nothing else . When you are not in that state , you might link purpose to it . But even more so , pure existence , beyond and without 'you' has no purpose . It is something that 'is' which might be all we can say about it . And its not conceptualized by the mind ... which might be a challenge to one that is very 'mental' ... even to the extent they feel they can 'mentalise the cosmos ' so much that they refer to fellow humans as something 'other' than them in their own speaking mental perspective . An obvious example of what ? You just made your own 'if' postulation and then based a premise on your if and then gave an example of your premise . Which says nothing about nor counters the idea that Existence has no purpose . ..... and that too 'just happens ' ... without purpose . What you might be confused with is the resultant benefits we get from it . Some might say that is its purpose ... to benefit us .... to that, I say ......

Sure they do .... some of them ;

The act of observation causing the Universe to behave in a different manner : .

Would you say the term 'fetish ' ( in anthropological sense ) would describe this ? A fetish is described as ; something to house a spirit or ancestor , something power like a charm or sacred object , something a special function ; protection, healing , etc . The Imy-wt is said to predate the 1st dynasty ? I wondering if it is one of those early 'throwbacks ' to some of the African traditions that entered the Nile Valley ( as the ank symbol might be ? ) ( the name fetish was given to the magical objects encountered in west Africa - Portugese > ' fetico ' > 'charm / magic ' . . . originally ' made for / as art ' . )

Someone who's cultivated is knowledgeable or at least familiar with the arts, current events, history. He or she probably has traveled widely, or at least has read about other people and places. In other words, a cultivated person is a citizen of the world.

I have seen them occasionally and wondered what they were ? I assumed a totem or ' standard ' of a Nome or God .

The 'object' 2nd from the right ( to the left of the far right figure ... a skin and ... ? ) looks interesting . Looks like a nome 'totem' ?

'Beingness ' ... that has no existence ?

Shed light on any special place for you ? Thats up to you; walk around, explore, see what you are drawn to or it just might happen by itself ; you 'end up there' or are led there . To shed more light on this I would refer back to the things I mentioned and the links I made , read up on it and learn more about it . Of course you are not . I study anthropology ; of all peoples, in all places and over all time periods , this is a very common phenomena in that regard and constitutes a human reality , in context . this most recent 'scientific materialist ' outlook that denies such things is VERY recent , comparatively . I have had my own and similar expertness Its common . Look at the things I pointed you towards . No going back and be patient .

Just think : God can lead you into temptation , you get tempted , you give in to the temptation and ...... well, commit a 'sin' , I suppose and then die and go to hell for an eternity ! Yikes ! But if you say your prayers and ask nicely , '' lead me not into temptation'' God will be all ..... '' Ohhhhh , okay then .'' and not lead you into temptation and you will go to heaven for eternity . Yay ! I guess its sorta like when you have a friend that is an ex-alcoholic and you keep offering them a drink , leaving booze bottles around , sneaking vodka into their drinking water .... stuff like that . .

hello and welcome . I am interested in this bit , maybe ...... depending on what you mean by it ; '' ... inner Goetia as a path of psychological and spiritual refinement ... '' '' ...

A venture into 'Neo - Hermetics' : Previously mentioned above , conversations with Brian . We ( a few daobums ) were discussing the 'mathematical formula of everything ' that had been posted . It was complex , I could not follow it , some here seemed able to . But I did recognize some symbols , constants , forces .... ' G ' stood out , one of the 'four fundamental forces of physics ' - gravity . G was on the left of the equal sign with other symbols and ideas and there were similar on the left , ie. 'after = , or ' the result is ' . I said G should not be on the left, it should be on the right ...'as a result of ' . Brian said 'Interesting ' . What I meant by that is , it should conform ( or confirm ) my 3 ; 4 theory ie. three fundamental 'things' ( 'forces' , ingredients , etc ) in an 'ideal dimension' ( not 'real ' , or at least observable or obvious ) produce a 4th effect in a 'real' dimension . I go through it in detail in my PP in an article on numbers . This overall pattern is attested in many traditions, including on The Tree of Life and Ch 42 TTC . ( see my article for further examples ) . This suggests that the four fundamental forces didnt just .... 'be' , all at once , or were implied , but that 1,2 and 3 'engendered' all things . So with the 4 fundamental forces : the weak and strong force within the atom ( let's say , 'in the microcosm' ) , the electro-magnetic forces ( now having more observable effect in our world ... the 'middlecosm ' ? ) producing the fourth fundamental force , gravity . And I previously mentioned I thought that is why the Unifeld Field theory could not be developed , they cant 'fit gravity into it ' . I postulated that is because it is a result or product of the other three .... not the idea of the first four forces just being there together . As one hopes with 'Neo- Hermetics ' some agreement between 'ancient sciences' and 'modern science' might be found ... and it is , so many times if one looks at things the right way . In this regard , one of the new theories about gravity is interesting , it says it is an emanation from forces in the microcosm ! I would say the forces that bind atoms together are in the microcosm . And the effect is in the macrocosm ... gravity's effect certainly is . '' A fresh look at gravity challenges long-held assumptions about one of nature’s most familiar yet puzzling forces. In a new study, two researchers argue that gravitational attraction is not a basic force at all, but an effect that emerges from deeper quantum processes tied to electromagnetism. If confirmed, the theory could help explain mysteries that have long resisted standard models — including the origins of dark matter and the energy accelerating the universe’s expansion. ...The work, published in Journal of Physics Communications, reimagines gravity not as a force stitched into the fabric of spacetime, but as something that arises from the quantum-level behavior of ordinary matter. * ... The idea builds on earlier efforts to rethink gravity as an emergent phenomenon — an effect that arises from more basic physical processes, rather than a force on its own ...'' https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/new-theory-suggests-gravity-is-not-a-fundamental-force/ . * and that occurs in those sub atomic forces . .

It seems 'something' ( the cats or not ) non allorgowhatchamaycallit is 'behind things ' ?

This is a good article on the same - it delves into the Platonic 'pre-realm' and talks about ' ... "The fundamental laws of physics cannot be contained within space and time, because they generate them.... '' https://phys.org/news/2025-10-mathematical-proof-debunks-idea-universe.html Oh yeah !