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Do tell then what this 'point' is ( and the whole point of this thread is ) ?

try this .... I am currently reading it as I respond here ; More Things in Heaven and Earth: Spirit Possession, Mental Disorder, and Intentionality, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10912-018-9519-z#:~:text=And this actually does occur,is possessed by that spirit. .

Only to you and only due to not reading what I posted clearly previously ! '' if you mean demonic possession and the claims some disturbed people make about such 'demons' urging them to self harm and other negative things , yes , that is old news and there are many posts on it . '' I am contending that such actions do NOT make people like the pigs in the Bible . Again it is NOT the subject matter but your misinterpretation of things from an ancient source for ancient people and trying to nut it out , in your isolated view ( ie, not in context and with limited information / knowledge and try to substitute that with your own limited social experience , which seems half pop cult movies , cartoons, gaming and ill-informed youtubes Thats about as funny to a mentally disturbed by 'demons' person as it is to say those with modern problems of self harm are like pigs in the Bible and need a 'Jesus exorcism ' .

I did . I posted the directors reason the character appeared that way and what the influences on him were . It seems you are not even reading my responses . You are still doing it ; what 'stuff' , what is 'old news' ? What are you actually talking about ? if you mean demonic possession and the claims some disturbed people make about such 'demons' urging them to self harm and other negative things , yes , that is old news and there are many posts on it . You cant seem to comprehend that it might be YOUR weird 'Christian' take on things and your choice to ''Homer Simpsonize''' everything you seem to put your hand to .... is actually what any 'controversy' here is about ..... if you can comprehend that .

Oh Gawd , I cant think what you might come up with to justify that one ! You constantly cite early Iron Age collated 'scripture' as having relevence in todsay's ssociety ... even Christians that agree with you about people self harming due to demonic possession say it relates to that time and self harm is a different kettle of fish ; Self-harm as we generally talk about it today is deliberate harm to one's body as a way to deal with emotional pain, anger, or frustration. Some describe feeling numb and harming themselves to at least feel something. For some the physical pain induced by self-injury functions as a brief release of emotional pain or other emotional energy. For others, the physical pain is a distraction from emotional pain they are feeling. Some use self-harm as a means of punishing themselves for a perceived fault; for others, the harm is related to feeling a sense of control over one's body, emotions, or life circumstances. Some people self-harm a few times and stop; for others, it becomes a pattern of behavior. Though self-harm is usually not done with suicidal intention, the intensity of the harming behavior can increase. While the act of self-harm may temporarily resolve the emotional angst, the relief is generally short-lived. Guilt and shame often follow. (www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/self-injury/symptoms-causes/syc-20350950, accessed 1/28/2021; and www.covingtonbh.com/disorders/self-harm/signs-symptoms/, accessed 1/28/2021.) https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-self-mutilation.html

I have , but what has that got to do with it ? Do they study pigs to understand those people that self harm ? Try using logic . and by what authority ? The apostles cast out demons by the authority given to them by Jesus, operating through the power of the Holy Spirit. This was done by commanding spirits to leave "in Jesus' name," relying on Jesus' authority and the power of the Holy Spirit, rather than their own strength. So the reason is .... because of genesis . It seems like YOU are one that has not read that Bible passage ! That must be it .... anyone with a cut scar ...... demon .... anyone not Christian .... demon . Australian Aboriginals with a suite of variant cultures , who exhibited 40,000 + years of peaceful coexistence in their environment without wrecking it , and who have worldwide recognized cultures of rich spirituality ..... must be demon possessed to fit in with your own entirely narrow view You do this all the time .... postulate weird 'quicksand' and then sink deeper and deeper the more you try to wiggle out or justify the 'stuff' you say .

Maybe you mean to ask 'why are some people self-destructive' ?

ya know what ? originally in composing the above I added '' What is needed is associated knowledge about the time, place and Jesus and a comparative study to gain insight . Not some self 'understood modern BS from you and those movies you watch and compare everything to which I removed as it seemed I was being too harsh ...... but there you go again ... '' There are also decades of demonically possessed hollywood characters engaging in self harm and various forms of self mutilation. Why does the above have pins sticking out of his head? Maybe demons possessing him give him pleasure in exchange for self destructive, self harming, tendencies? '' and maybe .... you can postulate anything ... maybe he was a pin cushion in his past life ya know, you can look things up , instead of this weird 'supposin's ' you keep coming up with that are tied in with some aberrant 'Christian' view . '' Director Clive Barker drew inspiration from his visits to underground S&M clubs, where he saw people with extreme body piercings, and from the visceral imagery found in Catholic religious art. Other influences included books depicting African fetishes with many piercings and the need for "repulsive glamour" in the creatures' design.

That does not mean it was pleasurable . I felt better after getting a hip replacement ... do you think that and the recovery were 'pleasurable ' ? A 'consensus' based on one lone experience with one misinterpreted comment . Oh ... a 'mood enhancer' now is it ? Yes. That doesnt mean people who self harm are like pigs . Its meant to demonstrate that Jesus can cast out demons Where did that idea come from ? Think about what pigs meant to Judaism . and remember the pigs 'asked for it ' '' Ultimately, the narrative is not generally interpreted as establishing a universal law about pigs' susceptibility to possession, but rather as a unique event with specific theological and cultural significance within the biblical accounts'' And there are MANY reasons why people might cut themselves No they dont .... its your own 'unusual' interpretations that reinforce your own opinions . '' Like so many other examples of storytelling in the Bible, we are told of actions and statements but are left to figure out the connecting tissue of meaning and context ourselves. So we must be very careful about how we interpret the story. We will be tempted to project our own theories, prejudices, and ideas onto it.'' https://www.wholefaithlivingearth.com/demons-and-pigs-fresh-look/#:~:text=and their demise?-,Yes.,to remain in the area. What is needed is associated knowledge about the time, place and Jesus and a comparative study to gain insight .

One from Donald ( he's good ! )

... yeah just that one entry and then links to the general forum . It worked the other day ; either the subject matter or the 'daobums' part has to be in quote marks ..... last week I got pages of Daobums entry from doing it the right way ...... anybody ?

I was just about to ask about that , someone gave the magical formula recently , I just tried it before and all I got was the Daobums main page I'll try again .

'' Would you be willing to share links to your posts? I’d be very interested to read them '' I am not sure how this is going to unfold .... I am going through my profile > activity and selected > 'topics' - I have never looked through that before .... OMG ! This may take some time , especially when I come up against things I have supposedly written but have no memory of .... like this ; and being totally distracted ! Neurosis and 'illumination' ( vaguely related ) This one used to have great pics ... but now they are gone ; a very early one 2014 These are posts within other's subjects ; - I am finding it very hard to navigate through 'Topics' only has 10 pages .....my content only has 12 pages ( with an option to type a page number in .... less than 12 . 'posts' lists over 800 but shows all the text , not just the subject matter . Here is a link to a paper I mentioned https://www.theisticpsychology.org/books/w.vandusen/presence_spirits.htm Here is a new one that I am about to read ; https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10912-018-9519-z#:~:text=And this actually does occur,is possessed by that spirit. All the rest .... you will have to try and figure out how to use the search engine or just ask questions ...... its all still in here ;

Thank you for pointing that out and trying to educate our resident Homer Simpson here .

I have more than 'wondered ' ..... I did something about it ! Sitting back and wondering from your perspective .... heaven help us from what is about to unfold here ..... Well, there it is ^ ..... what on earth makes you assume that self harm is a pleasurable experience ? NO ... modern people that 'self harm' are not like 'the swine in the bible who were possessed ! I mean ... my God ! Now you are comparing people who self harm with a group of pigs ? What does this even mean ? The pigs ( and according to you , the self harmers , who are now in the same thing ) got pleasure from demons in exchange for hurting themselves . Another classic 'Homer' ' observation ' .

I have always been curious about the 'neter sign' ... I thought it was just a staff with small flag . What other meaning and development of it is there - aside from this 'false connection linguistically ' ? '' the back of the head is Horus ''

Sure ... go for it .

I'll give it a go .... ( they are not indexed or cataloged and the search function doesn't work, last time I checked some old ones , the images had gone and been replaced with a blurry window with an X across it ( ??? ) but they are in there somewhere ..... among the 22,000 posts ) .... I am supposing its the ones regarding evocation / invocation you want to read ?

Haiku is comment without 'comment' - no haiku Do you get it yet ?

Pffft ! I can do a lot better ... and number 1 would have found it easier if it had taken those big 'flip-flops' off its feet .

... I do have sore eyes , but where do I get antelope dung ?

I think I found it ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebers_Papyrus

Where did 'metu' concept come from ? Both origins , that is , first ; if they knew of arteries and nerves ( I assume, from dissections ) and observed them why would they , of from what observation would they conclude other unseen 'channels' connecting the heart to everything else ? Or would that have been 'non observational' but assumptive ( meaning they thought the heart was central and connected , therefore there must be connections ) ? And second , what texts or sources did you get or conclude this 'metu' information from ?

A haiku without comment is no haiku at all .

Hmmmm .... but that which does unite them is at the top of your image ...... no ? ( ' Sema ' ) Also it seems the body , or at least the Pharaoh's body * , is a 'microcosm' of the Nile , or the 'two lands ' ? * or the 'canopic elements ' of his body .