Nungali

I guess by my actions I gave up my right to possess .... an unbroken arm

You're Frank Kafka ? ! ? ( ( ... http://thedaobums.com/topic/38295-before-the-law-by-frank-kafka/ )

Well, in the realm of 'occult authors' ..... one need not construct a system ... one just needs to open a copy of some earlier magical 'pop-obscure' book that most modern persons would not be bothered to read ... and discover something. And write it up as your own ... as much as this sucks .... errrmmm , it isnt that rare a thing in 'occult writings' As for the hype ... yeah, marketing, turning a buck, ..... There has always been something about the Hyatt hype that bugs me. The quotes above about how great the system is reads like the back of a Llewellyn publication.

yes, one must read him with some familiarity , I would not recommend , taking one of his works at face value without some further readings of his . Just to get a 'feel' for the man .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metamorphosis

Laws are messy business I like to think of 'rights' more than 'laws'. Rights seem the positive side, laws often seem to focus on the negative. Some say, if one has rights that they think apply to them, then they automatically apply to others as well. For example, if I steal your tool box, I have demonstrated that I dont believe in your right to possess and retain your your own goods, so therefore that right doesnt apply to me, I have shown I dont believe in personal ownership by taking your things, so now, I have cancelled that right for myself. And if I suppress others freedom, then I have also lost the right of freedom for myself. (Not sure about all of this ideas implications - I am still thinking it through .)

hey Songtsan, have you read any of Wilhelm Reich's writings about sexual therapy and sexual liberation ? You might find it interesting. He started the 'German Society of Proletarian Sexual Politics'. " in Paris and Berlin, students scrawled his name on walls and threw copies of The Mass Psychology of Fascism at the police. .... arguing that neurosis is rooted in physical, sexual and socio-economic conditions, and in particular in a lack of what he called "orgastic potency. He took to the streets in a mobile clinic, promoting adolescent sexuality and the availability of contraceptives, abortion and divorce, Reich argued that neurotic symptoms such as obsessive-compulsive disorder were an unconscious attempt to gain control of a hostile environment, including poverty or childhood abuse. He opened six free sex-counselling clinics in Vienna, each one overseen by a physician, with three obstetricians and a lawyer on call, offering what he called Sex-Pol counselling for working-class patients. Sex-Pol stood for the German Society of Proletarian Sexual Politics. Danto writes that Reich offered a mixture of "psychoanalytic counseling, Marxist advice and contraceptives," and argued for a sexual permissiveness, including for young people and the unmarried, that unsettled other psychoanalysts and the political left. The clinics were immediately overcrowded by people seeking help. he gave papers on his emerging theory of character structure, arguing that psychoanalysis should be based on the examination of unconscious character traits, later known as ego defences. Orgastic potency; Beginning in 1924 Reich published a series of papers on the idea of "orgastic potency," the ability to release the emotions from the muscles and lose the self in an uninhibited orgasm, an idea that Freud came to call Reich's "Steckenpferd" (hobby horse). Reich argued that psychic health and the ability to love depended on orgastic potency.[43] He wrote: "It is not just to fuck ... not the embrace in itself, not the intercourse. It is the real emotional experience of the loss of your ego, of your whole spiritual self."[44] He argued that orgastic potency was the goal of character analysis. " .... and so on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich#Vienna_Ambulatorium.2C_Sex-Pol_clinics Of course, they ended up putting him in jail ( where he soon died of 'ill health' ) and did public street burnings of his books .

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Apparently not. Neither do some mammals . Like this guy;

Frank ?

Noooooooo ! Do not go into the Mars Venus Lovers thing (or Aries ... who ever the helmeted red dude is who is twisting that woman's arm behind her back ) use Mercury to relate to Venus guys ! The other way is how all 'the trouble' started in the first place ....

Between the kangaroo and the emu, you mean.

IT seems that way, but there are various types; Note in example 1 - DFP the fingers actually make a small triangle around the ajna chakra and leaving a vibrational access point open. This enables one to perceive previous hidden or deeper meaning that was not apparent before. Example 2. - TFP is more of a frontal facial sinus massage, this prepares the area for any sonar like perceptions, subtle smells or pheromone detection . Example 3 - HD is when one realises that extra sensory perceptions are not gonna really help, the person is an absolute retard and the third eye is banged on a flat surface to dislodge any perceptions that did get through from such an attempt at spiritually trying to conceive some type of sense in such stupidity in the first place. A SFP can also be a type of slap on the Ajna ( sometimes followed by a small rub) as well ( not shown above ) ... at times to stimulate it ( eg. "why on earth did I do that ! or Aha! thats the solution ! "), at other times to numb its perception ( eg. " I gotta get outa this thread - what the hell am I doing ? " )

Nah .... he is dressed in silver ... black does not reflect light and turn silver like that and silver will appear black in the folds and shadows of material. " Satanic ..... who me ? ? ? " ( I am a reptile handler and local snake catcher - as they sometimes get in houses and chicken pens - I have at least 2 goannas living under the cabin and one often walks in the kitchen or strolls in the side door. I have to choof him outside like an old slow dog. ) I am not haunted or disturbed or have any concept of 'satanic' - aside from it being a warped human mind construct from Christianity. To me, disturbing or ' restless spirits' are pretty much the same as dogs (which I am good at handling as well) and reptiles - yes, they can be handled, tamed, even develop good behaviour and loyalty. Some times ( like a guard dog that has been wound up and treated badly) they are a lost cause and need to be isolated or disposed of. Crocodiles are just there to clean up the mess and devour the weak, they are not 'evil' - but you already know all this ... yeah ?

My driveway needs concreting

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So if I leave my private contact info might be given to decibelle, .. . . and ( good lord I forgot his name - that mad Turkish astral samurai and ...... ) Looks like I am doomed for a life of slave labour writing posts here on Daobums ( Insidious Chinese ! )

Serves 'em right for showing off !

We know ..... ,,, thats why, and in other threads previous to this, I keep urging him to break out, seek individuation ... break the cycle ... Independence is quickly got by jumping in the river . (do you know the story ? ) from 1;16 (ignore the title - no one is a jerk here ) Ya gotta start somehow .

I agree. soul and imagination, in a way, are the same thing. In Harpur's Book 'The Philosopher's Secret Fire' (an essential read here, I think) he makes a good case for identifying this secret fire as the 'imagination'. (And again, we might have as different an understanding of imagination as we do of soul. ) But if we have a 'soul' and there is a 'world soul'. would not that 'external level ' of the 'Anima Mundi' have an 'imaginative soul' as well ? I agree , once we remove a lot of the political content of religion. And some take it further back (picking up yoga along the way) to psychotropic drugs. ( Ethnobotany) Thanks ! Until one gets to 'psychotic' explanations when it approaches the 'boundary' of 'Quantum' .... like the Universe has multiple personality syndrome

In my experience and studies, most certainly ! But in some cases I think they can be otherwise. The issue is, as Seth points out above with 'what type of magic' ... what type of spirits'. So far the conversation topic has been pretty broad and undefined. But we have flowed along through that. besides, I rarely have a strong one- sided view of things and 'reality'. If you read the fairly brief extract in the Dr vanDusen paper above that Donald linked to, you will see some of the indicators and qualities of the two types of 'spirits' he talks about. One distinction is this very quality of one type only knows what the patient knows, but another type seems to have knowledge beyond the patient's ... and other related matters. Some of these distinctions qualities and tests, make up some of the 'rules' or practices of one type of magic. Of course, to get further into that, the source of these 'higher' .... 'personified energies' ... being 'external' it does become more philosophical. One view that deals with this issue ( that I like ) is in Exo-psychology where there is 8 levels of consciousness of the self, with each level having an equivalent location in the physiology ( hind brain, frontal lobe, cell genetics, etc ) , the highest level is said to be ' non local' . Not really because there is that 'magic' generalisation again. I would say that shamanic practice is a type of magic. Oooooo ... we just went from Psyche ( soul) opening that 'Golden Box' , above ^ , to Pandora and another type of box ! I think we have to connect inside with the aspect ( we can become 'fractured' and 'alienated' ) and then reconnection is required. but some things we might need de-connection with. I see this totally different to shamanic soul retrieval and loosing the soul. But the soul connection is broken anyway (thats what the myth of Psyche is about, and getting that connection back) . We function with a broken connection nowadays ... most of us ... in the 'machine' . When the connection is gone, the person is like a zombie. Soul 'mucks up' a bit when it is not acknowledged, when it expresses itself and finds happiness and is given appreciation, it blossoms. Then again, I know what I mean when I use the term 'soul'. it might be far from others concepts. Its a large complex subject and I try to be brief. It is an experience of part of it. I think psychology is a way of looking at part of the dynamics of magic.

DB - I watched my father work himself in to an early grave. First he had a bad heart attack from stress and overwork (after being layed off for a disability in the fire brigade and ripped off on a proper injury payment ) . But he recovered and could have had an early retirement and still done all the things he loved; surfing, but not in big surf, fishing, but get a little outboard motor instead of rowing ... etc. His work ethic wouldnt allow it and he went back and died from another heart attack. That made a bit of an impression on me when I was young. What;s the point anyway if you slog the best years of your life out and even do get 20 years retirement when you are old and worn out at the end, even if it doesnt kill you first. Of course, everyone said I had to, that is how it worked, you saved up and got 'superannuation' that would look after you. I even said way back then, "They will probably steal that off the old people when they become old and helpless. I dont trust the bastards ! " Everyone thought I was a terrible person and being ridiculous ... but that is exactly what ended up happening here ! So I decided back then to drop out and have my fun. I have never looked back and had a full and wonderful life, lived in many places, travelled and had many wonderful relationships. What you describe above, what you seem to be projecting on us en mass ? is nothing like I think or what I have done. Sure I have had straight jobs at times, some for years on end; in the hospital, cooking, film industry, teaching (hmmm ... now that I think, I had it so I could walk barefoot across the paddocks and go to work at the school as it was next door, and they didnt mind if I taught in bare feet - back then, - I guess the point is , jobs dont have to be that straight or limiting or not fun. Just dont get bogged down in them. Or in a life situation either.) When I made the break I had about $600 some clothes and camping stuff and a small cheap motorcycle .... off I went. Do you know the Sufi story where the master instructed the seeker to go and throw himself in the river ?

oh good (sometimes I think my little visual quips get misinterpreted ? ) its good to have a laugh.

Likewise we can see that we interpret things by what we know ( e.g. a report of a first European landing; some clouds came over the sea ( ships sails coming up over the horizon) and stopped out in the ocean, out of it came a water insect walking across the water ( a long boat with oars) and men got out of it. I extend that concept the way you do above ( and there is a magnificent book I read once that does this throughout our history, it tracks developments in spiritual cosmology and 'scientific' discoveries and how they effected interpretations of current psychological themes - but I can for the like of me remember title or author ) to - we are used to dealing with people and personalities, so we often give 'energies' and forces a personality or identity to be able to relate to them. When we become 'fractured' or 'alienated' misunderstood or unidentified parts of the self are given or assume such 'separate' personalities'. On the other hand , is our 'psyche' so much 'contained' within ourselves ? I think not. We 'spread out', we are connected with many forces, we stand at the crossroads. Are we going to think that what 'constitutes us' is sealed up in a membrane, a little unit of 'self' ? In my experience, no. How does one 'connect' with something without partly being that thing itself ? Where does the Sun 'end' ... what is the limit of itself ? Just what we can see visually as a fiery sphere ? Or are we inside the greater sphere of its influence? The same with the unconscious ... or, I prefer here, the 'soul' - the 'personality' of the 'unconscious' * , it may well include components from 'outside' . *