Nungali

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  1. My teacher never fought competition , never ran a school for money , never had big classes . When his very famous teacher passed on. several claimed to be the new leader and master , he never did . The one that did and still is, I think , cannot show any authority from that master that says he is now the head . However my teacher inherited the masters sword and weaponry . Also my teacher looked after him for years at the end when he was infirm . No would know who this man is , he was a quiet and humble person . teaching individuals and small groups, yet many high level instructors and other masters came to see and learn from him. When teacher died a few from here went to Okinawa for his funeral , they said there were a large amount of people from OS attending . His neighbours wondered why all the people from different countries , they were told that was because he was a very accomplished and world famous ( with those 'in the know' ) martial artist . The neighbours were surprised, they never knew that about him . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosei_Nishihira
  2. Oh ? I never knew you practiced contortionist athletics ? ( You didnt think that was martial arts did you ? )
  3. Esoteric shades

    Of course but this a 'structural thing' and several other indicators like the Wiccan Charge old form being lifted from the Mass excerpts , especially in its older form , it got changed a bit more after Gardiner to make it less like Crowley's . Not that ot matters but one notices it when one has done both rites . Well, there is the early 'Magical Masons' influence as well and the guys that formed the O.T.O. pre Crowley had Indian and Sufi tantric influences and also ' Tantra on the Prairie' / 'Cowboy tantra ' early mid-west USA and .... damn forgot his name , an African American fellow someone Randolph or Thomas Johnson or ? ,,, urghhh Found it ! There are also other names mentioned in the aticle that can be tracked down elsewhere for their history ; Thomas Johnson: Platonism Meets Sex Magic on the Prairie https://newtopiamagazine.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/thomas-johnson-platonism-meets-sex-magic-on-the-prairie/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ODGE2f7gLQ No! None at all ! You must have missed the first post where I described a bit of process . In short , one thing that happened was a guy at the festival from OS started a fight . Old Uncle (not the one in the video ... he is senior ) was right on it and me and fire guardian were beside him either side . he got a talking to and was escorted to the circle where a deep process was gone through . I won;t recount it again here but what I noticed was the different way of doing things . he was immediately expelled by the organizer and told to leave at once . Uncle overruled that ... or just did it anyway because as he said ''That Man is sick and needs healing and he should not be just set loose on whoever else out there or he himself might get hurt or have an accident ( due to his state ) . The camp I used to go to further north that my friend ( a different language group / tribe ) is elder at and is site guardian for the nearby sacred sites (including initiation sites ) is 'grog-free' as a few places and some whole areas are . There are many levels of teaching and access , the higher ones are more restricted , stories and knowledge begin at a 'kindergarten level' those are fairly open ... the higher ones, the more 'cred' you would need . Also it helps to be ..... 'deadly '
  4. Esoteric shades

    Yes please Uncle Apech . hey .... wait a minute ... I already said that didn't I ?
  5. Esoteric shades

    No, I do not have a formal indigenous initiation . That can be a very 'full on ' affair , depending on which 'mob' or level we are talking about . Persoanlly I dont agree on that mixture , but its not my call . It is through constant watchfulness and careful and repeated instruction . If that is respected they are welcome to participate but in the way instructed . But some will dispute and argue ! Even those familiar , like me, can make a blunder ... and I did once , right at the beginning , boy did I feel terrible ! It was a momentary lapse of 'presence' and I did something at the fire I should not have , what really bugged me is I know a LOT better and I would not have done that if I remained present and aware in the moment . Damn ! But I guess I had to do that so when others made mistakes I already had that 'experience' and then could use my experience to help them . later in talk I said , in a more traditional way, I would have been punished . The 'stick' is present , but it is just ritually significant now . I held my leg out and said '' Go on hit it .'' But he didnt . Sometimes it is symbolic tap . When it is a bad infraction and you dont get hit, it can be worse eg ; One guy at the festival got violent and started a fight and made a few women feel very unsafe . he was taken into the circle and 'processed ' .... counselled , but also supported , explained , questioned . He broke down eventually and so much came out ... so much of his pain came out as well . The effect of his actions was explained to him and then he started to feel really bad about it . later he said he thought he should have been punished and he got off lightly . I explained to him he wasnt getting off lightly ' would you prefer a hit with the stick or being in this state of realizing the pain you caused to others ? being a big 'tough guy ' ( who had broken down now ) the stick is the easier option. I was present at another one were the person that messed up was stood between two elders at the fire ( not in front of a crowd , these things are relatively private ) , the elders were seated , the fire keeper and myself were on the other side . The elders, one had the stick another had number 7 ( a big club 'war boomerang' shaped like a 7 ) , but it was more symbolic and he got a 'talking to ' . That was more seriously enacted as he had a responsible position and what he did was something that had he had been instructed not to do just the day before ... and the instruction came about because HE originally wanted it on the first place . It was sort of a case of .. '' Look ! What did I just say to you ? Then you go off and do it again ? '' when the person requested the lesson in the first place . i was with a different mob ( not a tribe really , a 'nation' ... or 'language group ' ) where it worked more traditionally , but they lived more traditionally . It went like this ... Old friend is now elder and site guardian , up river from a 'mission' ( an old inherited name for a church supported 'res-settlement' area ) on a more traditional site and lifestyle . That camp has certain rules . A young guy from the mission drove in teared around did some wheelies ... it was very 'out of place ' but not that serious . But a little girl got scared and ran away and tripped over a log and hurt her knee . Everything suddenly changed ! A child had been hurt due to his behavior ... he took off . The girl was comforted . later my friend appears out of his gunya ( a sort of tent made from ... well, whatever ), with a special design painted on him that represents a role he will now enacting , which was ' law man and punisher of those that break law . he had the 'bundie' ( equivalent to a policeman's baton ) I asked him whatsup and he said he had to go and pay a visit to that reckless driver . Off he went . Someone commented that he hoped it would be ok, that reckless teen driver has a huge aggressive and nasty father . My friend came back and I asked what happened , he went to the house and bashed on the door, father opened the door angrily but when he saw Uncle had ' the paint on' and the 'baton' signifying his authority to 'police' the tribe , he immediately changed attitude stepped back and said he ( his son ) had run and locked himself in the bathroom when he heard the door knock . Uncle goes in, kicks the bathroom door in and 'disciplines the sun . he said 'I didnt have to hit him, I showed him the bundi with its design on it and my painted face and the kid stared crying and pissed his pants ... The we had a talk about the harm and potential further harm he could have caused . That was enough . So he came back to camp, put bundie away and washed 'policeman paint' off . yeah, I think that why they 'nabbed me ' . originally I was just there to set up a nice space , chill lounge, refreshment tea and coffee area /tents for them as no one seemed to be caring much about that . I dont know this mob that well ( I was more in with their elders and 'old fellahs' who have now passed on . But then Uncle Wirrunggar turned up, their senior and a dear old friend of mine, going back to the old days . I guess when they saw my connection to him (and the consideration I gave to them ). they decide to use me for other roles as well . Ah what the heck , lets put up Uncle Wiruungga again ( he is actually very well known internationally , if he wore all his presents , you would not be able to see him like huge chunks of silver and turquoise from the Navajo , Tibetan necklaces, tribal bone ornaments from here and there ) he travels the world and goes to many indigenous conferences representing Aboriginal people is very popular OS ... 'Uncle Kola ' ; This mob are like that, a lot of them a quiet, nearly 'shy' but have a lot of 'firsts' Famous Gumbaynggirr people include country music star Troy Cassar-Daley, singer-songwriter Emma Donovan, hip hop artist Tasman Keith and his father Wire MC (Will Jarrett), former Senator Aden Ridgeway, and activists Frank Archibald and Gary Foley. Other notable figures are Albert Kelly (rugby league), Loretta Kelly (law academic), and Grant Maher (engineer). Do you know where Gardner got the Great Rite from ? Its origins are rather amusing . I'll give you a hint Gerald Gardner ( the founder / inventor of modern Wicca ) had a cigarette lighter inscribed with 'To Alex with love from Aleister ' . Its a simple 'folk version' of the EGC rite ( Gnostic Mass ) ; (note Stele of Revealing at the top of altar ) Like I said .... mostly fun . I think he did it as a prank 'trick on me ' embarrassment . Joke was on him though , when he was not looking and his wife went past me in the ritual , I would be holding the 'wand ' and had the rope underneath and pull the rope to make the wand go erect . When he went past I would loosen it to make the wand droop . people were laughing but he did not know what at . Some take the rite very seriously and sacredly . The original rite it is drawn from (EGC mass ) is more of a solemn affair . Well of course ! All you would need is to know how to make soap and have a penis mold . ''Let him by his understanding and ingenium devise ' .... https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib412 .
  6. ' Men's Business '

    When we used to run our festival it was 'alternative' also in the area of cost... we deliberately worked things to make it affordable to those on low income, or no income . All sorts of options could be available from signing up to being a worker or clean up team , to sneaking in, to being lax on the entry gate . If you were honest about that and 'up front' you could negotiate . But, as some are , they had a lot of money and would sneak in anyway . That started to happen too much . So one year we we blocked the old track in along the river side with all the prickle bushes, lantana , spiky branches that the field outskirts had been cleared of . I knew some people would battle their way through anyway . So at the end of that I got a little card table and chair and sat there with cash box and tickets ; people would emerge scratched and bedraggled out the 'sneak in ; only to see me there .... '' Two adults is it ? That will be $70 thank you ... by the way, there is a much easier route in if you follow the path from the car park to the front gate ''
  7. Esoteric shades

    Oooooooh doesnt it ! I have had many roles over the years .... in groups. All sorts of things ;from the Chaiperson of an LSA ( Local Spiritual Assembly in the Bahai's - they do not have clergy but an elected body of 9 to help manage the affairs of each community) to a priest in EGC , to a rather frequent Chairperson ( and implemented the whole proper 'business meeting model ' into the chaos of company meetings) of this community when I arrived 40 years back , right up to the indigenous circle / fire work I got involved with amidst the craziness of a 'hippy festival' ( which only finished yesterday ... phew ! ) But the other side ( aside from the issues ANY group has due to diverse people coming together ) can be enormous and have allowed us to put on some rather spectacular events . I prefer the term Fancy pants , ( otherwise known as 'goat leggings' ) It wasnt that fancy though, Wicca is light and it can be mostly fun . One time I was sort of thrown in to the High Priest role in a ritual that ended up being so much fun and rather crazy . For some reason the real High Priest was going to use a penis shaped 'soap - on - a rope ' .... remember them ? - soap on a rope I meant , not penises ! ..... as the wand . Oh dear . Later during this ritual I was supposed to chase the 'spring maiden' around the circle . I didnt know a lot of those people in the circle, I was visiting with people from my group and we were in another area. We had been doing a play rehersal previously and decided to go to this ritual still in costume ( characetrs included Pan , a Satyr, a Moon Goddess , a nymph, a pixie ..... we got there late and appeared out the bushes at the circle that had all these people that didnt know us ... that must have been a surprise for them ! Later I went up to the 'spring maiden ' ; ''You know, traditionally after this we would slip into the bushes and have nookie .'' , as a joke . And this innocent young woman goes ''Oh ... oh, all right then .'' Ohhhh dear ! I made the joke worse by saying it was a joke but if she was interested she could have my 'wand' as a present . and handed her my soap on a rope ... and she took it and said thank you ! I can bet you that by now ( that was many years ago) somewhere around the very hip and touristy area of Byron Bay , there is a large underground witch coven , with a High Priestess that keeps a sacred relic of her authority , handed to her by a satyr, many moons ago in a ritual , in a grove , now on her alter , concealed in a treasure box . Like all magical tools and sacred relics .... you can get em on line https://www.etsy.com/au/market/penis_soap_on_a_rope
  8. ' Men's Business '

    These are not staying up for long . ...
  9. Esoteric shades

    Have you read Crowley's 'poetic rendition' of that early translation ? A PARAPHRASE OF THE INSCRIPTIONS UPON THE OBVERSE OF THE STELE OF REVELLING Above, the gemmèd azure is The naked splendour of Nuit; She bends in ecstasy to kiss The secret ardours of Hadit. The wingèd globe, the starry blue Are mine, o Ankh-f-n-Khonsu. I am the Lord of Thebes, and I The inspired forth-speaker of Mentu; For me unveils the veiled sky, The self-slain Ankh-f-n-Khonsu Whose words are truth. I invoke, I greet Thy presence, o Ra-Hoor-Khuit! Unity uttermost showed! I adore the might of Thy breath, Supreme and terrible God, Who makest the gods and death To tremble before Thee: — I, I adore thee! Appear on the throne of Ra! Open the ways of the Khu! Lighten the ways of the Ka! The ways of the Khabs run through To stir me or still me! Aum! let it kill me! * The Light is mine; its rays consume Me: I have made a secret door Into the House of Ra and Tum, Of Khephra, and of Ahathoor. I am thy Theban, o Mentu, The prophet Ankh-f-n-Khonsu! By Bes-na-Maut my breast I beat: By wise Ta-nech I weave my spell. Show thy star-splendour, O Nuit! Bid me within thine House to dwell, O winged snake of light, Hadith! Abide with me, Ra-Hoor-Khuit! A PARAPHRASE OF THE HIEROGLYPHS OF THE 11 LINES UPON THE REVERSE OF THE STELE Saith of Mentu the truth-telling brother Who was master of Thebes from his birth: O heart of me, heart of my mother! O heart which I had upon earth! Stand not thou up against me as a witness! Oppose me not, judge, in my quest! Accuse me not now of unfitness Before the Great God, the dread Lord of the West! For I fastened the one to the other With a spell for their mystical girth, The earth and the wonderful West, When I flourished, o earth, on thy breast! The dead man Ankh-f-n-Khonsu Saith with his voice of truth and calm: O thou that hast a single arm! O thou that glitterest in the moon! I weave thee in the spinning charm; I lure thee with the billowy tune. The dead man Ankh-f-n-Khonsu Hath parted from the darkling crowds, Hath joined the dwellers of the light, Opening Duant, the star-abodes, Their keys receiving. The dead man Ankh-f-n-Khonsu Hath made his passage into night, His pleasure on the earth to do Among the living. The bolded and italic part is the section used in the adoration . I find the 'Egyptian' incantation work as a type of 'kotodama' while the English helps with conceptual visualizations ... and with those both one might be able to imagine the effects of long term invocation 4 times a day . * a typo ; k .... f (oooops ! ... I you wouldnt be doing that 4 times a day long term ... you would only get 'one shot at it ' .
  10. Esoteric shades

    Those adorations were part of recommended practice and originally I was ... nah, not into that . I have strong Cancerian and Neptunian influence in my natal chart and 'life stream ' ; very lunar goddess oriented (and had been working in a couple of coverns , doing my '2nd degree Wicca ' (before all this ) and sometimes doing the Wiccan priest role ( which is mainly supporting the Priestess ) . In retrospect the solar adorations were recommended as I needed that balance - I realised that later . I have limited time at the moment . To list that would take pages as some times I did all of them every single day four times a day for months on end ( I think any practice done like that is bound to create effects ! ) . I will list one benefit . it took me ages to figure out . Why is the setting sun associated with joy ? I didnt know but I made myself feel and contemplate joy during that 'adoration' ( it consists of a prescribed and outlined ritual but within that is a space for meditation , what you meditate 'on' is prescribed by your teacher { 'inner or outer ' } ) . Sometimes I would have a great day and feel joy and gratitude for that . Then that spread to every day . Then even hard or bad days ( at least now that is over ) , I like the night as well and feel comfortable in the dark . It was a great 'closing' to the day . And of course a reflection of our life's journey and my death ... joy at death . Why not ? Then it spread to joy for being alive and experiencing every day , then the joy of 'existence ' . Then gratitude and appreciation for life . After a while I am walking around in this appreciative amazed state . And then other parts of the ritual and effects 'hurl me back ' to ancient Egypt where perhaps they experienced something like this? I have it in a story I wrote... somewhere ; 'The Egyptian' ... it starts something like ' I arose one morning early and before I went to plow the fields , I walked down to the river to greet Ra in his rising ....( and stuff about , watching a bird high in the sky , a fish jumps in the water etc etc a) ... and I rejoiced knowing ( here is the crux ) ... that I am ALIVE inside the body of God . Well, Thelema , in this aspect is 'dodgy neo-Egyptian ' It uses Egyptian metaphors to teach concepts in Thelema but not so much concepts in ancient Egypt , whatever they were . With all the indigenous stuff I been doing lately its easy to see Nuit - Queen of space and the stars ... Wallenganda Mother snake in the sky - the Milky Way . Hadit - A 'condensed point in space , the 'winged disc' ... the God force ( not in its 'be ing' but in its going ... going forward .. Ungud , rainbow serpent earth snake , creation spirit Ra hoor Khuit - that aspect of Law - Bungil , he who 'regulates' law ( old red eye , ie Mars ) and so on Well, wings help us fly
  11. Esoteric shades

    ^ 'GOLD' ! ( That is two 'Gold' gifts in two days ! The one yesterday cam for 'Uncle Allen ' a Gunbayngirr elder when I was in their 'sacred circle ' for a ceremony ... and WOW ! I should make a post about this later . But yes please 'Uncle Apech' please , a new thread on this stuff ? '' )
  12. Esoteric shades

    No 'Stele of Revealing ' work for you ? ( I used to recite it as part of my four daily adorations of the Sun ; dawn noon sunset midnight . In 'ancient Egyptian' ... yeah yeah, I know ! the pronunciation thing , sometimes one has to 'wing it' { 'creative license' } . ) .
  13. Is It Over? The Dao Bums Fall

    '' Damn Apech ! ''
  14. Is It Over? The Dao Bums Fall

    Yes ! '' Good morning I am trying to find 'Apech' can you give me his address please ? '' '' Surname ?'' '' Oh .... I dont know . '' '' Well, who is he, someone famous ?'' '' Well, yes, he is a famous Daobum ' '' ''I am sorry , a famous what ? '' '' A fellow Daobum . '' '' Eh ? Well ... ummm ... what does he look like ? '' '' He is this white cat with a smug look on his face .'' '' Ohhhhhh ... I see, you have lost your cat .'' '' No no no ... he is a man that lives in Portugal but he is also a white cat Daobum ... and I need to find him '' '' Why ? '' ''Well , some time back I asked him a question and he didnt answer it the way I wanted him to , so I said I would come here and MAKE him answer the question, one way or another .... so not having any means or even a passport or visa , I rowed here in a little rowboat from Australia to find him .'' '' You rowed here all the way from Australia to Portugal in a rowboat to find a white cat daobum man that lives somewhere in Portugal to make him do what you want ?'' '' Yes ! Finally ! '' '' Very well Sir, if you care to wait here for a moment I can get the right people to help you and they will take you where you need to go .'' ''Thank you ! Finally! '' .......
  15. Is It Over? The Dao Bums Fall

    Ummmm no . I am in Portugal now , and I have found a small town . Why would I need any type of boat . And look, there is a post office , They will know where Apech lives ..... I hope someone in there speaks English .
  16. Is It Over? The Dao Bums Fall

    I dont know about that I am not going to say that to anyone here . I dont trust you . ( once a really really annoying guy at work asked me to teach him some Aboriginal lingo . Why ? He wanted to be able to walk up to them when he saw a group of them and say hello, what's happening guys. So I asked my teacher how to say '' You can all piss off we own this land now '' . teach that to him and watch from a distance what happens when he says 'hello ' . )