Nungali

of course . We should not interfere with another's True Will , especially a parent, as the child develops , they should be nurtured spiritually as well as physically, emotionally and mentally . Sometimes it is hard for some to follow their True Will , it might mean breaking away from the family , peers , other's expectations , etc .

Again ... what do you mean ? I can wu wei my water supply by diverting the run off that comes from the rain and following the contour down to my water tank . OR I could be 'un natural' and burn fossil fuel and start a water pump and pump it up hill against gravity . I can control how the rain hits the ground , or me , or stop it doing those things ; in these actions I can apply wu wei ( least interference ) or 'go against the 'nature of things ' and do it the hard way . I can build a roof or put up a sunshade . here we are having a demonstration of why you cant understand what I am saying . I never suggested such 'magical ' or un natural operations in the first place . I am suggesting wu wei is a way of action ... when we need to act . Not non action at all ... which you seem to think it is . Dude ! Thats a bad example . I live in a cabin on the edge of a forest .... I have been slacking off and not cleaning for ages .... and now you ask me about spider webs and if I can stop a spider building a web ? Answer ... I can , I just been slack You are groking things that you yourself are supposing .... but you are not grokking what I am saying . and I venture to suppose .... I am not the only person here having this 'communication problem' with you .

Now you have just wiped out your previous statement . I am actually just taking what you are saying .... and extending those ideas into actions ... but maybe you think any action is against wi wei ? he didnt follow hos own nature then .... the expression of one's true nature , the khvarenah or True Will . But now you have skipped into human affairs , and human affairs involve eating things that were once living . To refuse to do that is against the nature of all life ; to survive .

nah ... when I wee it is completely natural . So... for a human to be in a state of wu wei ...... looks like they can not do anything at all .... even breathing effects nature ... ask a Jain ;

The TTC says that to you ? Well, it is now ! Since you seem to have decided all human 'control' is against nature .

here is the thing about 'nature ' ; I often say, my qualifier , when looking at or adopting a process is ' can I see a similar process in nature ' . BUT that requires a full and extensive understanding of nature in the first place .

really ? Then define 'harm to nature ' Do you eat carrots , bok choy ...... wheat ? ... intentionally ? .

isnt that a self-referential loop though ? In nature animals kill each other all the time . How do you think carnivore animals eat ? Do you think wu wei requires them to become vego ? Sorry, but thats nuts ! The reality is (another self referential loop ) that part of nature is to modify nature . Even as simple as a bird building a nest ; thats a modification . At the other end of the scale , I will give a local example ; people hear often marvel at the indigenous and how they suppose they lived without harming the ecological balance ... well, that was all geared towards human survival ( in the long term ) . It went something like this ; Australia had mega fauna , they ate the low lying scrub and kept the land clear between the trees and forests . people came for the first time , and not knowing what they were , these animals did not flee ; easy hunting . Then the megafauna numbers decreased , causing the 'scrub' to grow and the land hard to navigate and hunt in . So they started burning it , a practice that eventually changed the whole environment , large scale . Now we say the indigenous know how to manage the environment by doing 'slow burns' to mitigate bushfires , and in the past , to make 'unfenced kangaroo farms ' . Which parts were wu wei, and which parts were not ?

No ... because I observe that in nature ( with other animals ) .. ie. it is part of the natural world

Nah ... that process only applies to Chinese

'' Virtue focuses on character traits and excellence (like courage, kindness), aiming for flourishing, while morality is a broader system of right vs. wrong judgments, often rooted in societal or personal rules; morality dictates what is right, whereas virtue is the habitual disposition to be good and act rightly, going beyond mere rule-following to embody moral excellence. Think of morality as the rules, and virtue as the developed character that naturally lives by those rules and strives for higher ideals. '' In ancient Greek, the word for virtue is Areté (ἀρετή), which means "excellence" or the "full realization of potential" in any kind of activity, not just morality; it signifies being the best you can be, whether that's physical prowess, wisdom, or moral goodness, leading to a flourishing life ... '' ... wait for it .... '' (eudaimonia). While it encompasses moral virtue, Areté is a broader concept of functional excellence, describing the peak quality of a person or thing ... '' .

' ... and from many sources we gather and weave all the colored threads to weave a tapestry of our own understanding ' .

The modern English meaning of virtue or the ancient Greek meaning of virtue ?

Well, that makes sense as the sky is always falling but heaven is not .

Errrmmmm ... yes you are ( you just dont realize it )

NOOOOOOOOOOOO ! - Old daobums joke

Thats what the Chinese guy in the restaurant toilet claimed to my friend in China as he offered him some pills ! ''Make wife very happy '' . So my friend foolishly bought them and bought them back to Australia . He tried some before going to bed with his wife . he noticed the effect ... but his wife didnt . ''It looks longer to me .'' he said . ''Not to me ... '' she said , '' You are imagining things .'' So he went to the bathroom and looked in the mirror ...it looked longer - to him ! But then as he looked around .... the curtains looked longer .... the towels on the towel rack looked longer .... his face looked longer .... Moral .... dont buy dodgy 'sex pills' in a Chinese restaurant toilet !

Touche ! Have you got it figured out ? That ^ looks like you were asking me if you are right about thinking I understand the meaning of Ch 1 . Ummmmm ...... yes . .

hang on ! How did 'groping' get into it ?

Nature is the 10,000 things including you ! Now we get to the next bit ... what is your true nature ? I contend that if one is following their khvarenah or 'True Will' they are living in harmony with their true nature and nature itself . If one's True Will is to be an artists but instead you find yourself an unhappy factory worker (or anything else ) then that is against your nature and nature . Then again we could propose that anything a human does that no other animal does , is against nature .

Lao was 'bothered ' by a bird ? You better put that one in square brackets !

My take ( at the moment ... which may change 'as I go along ' ) is ; Heaven and Earth ' signify the primal 'division' from the one - giving us the three . These three ( the one itself and its expression in 2 ) are like the supernal triad and above the 'abyss' (of comprehension ) - hence 'invisible ' . 3. Invisible, was a name given to Tao at the origin of sky and earth. But after that , below the abyss , in to manifestation ( of the 10,000 things ) we can see in nature this 'signature ' ( TTC Ch 42, line 5 ) 4. Visible, was a name given to Tao as the mother of all things. Ie . we can see (identify ) the 'cause' ( the mother ) after creation , in the creation .

I am glad it just isn't me that seems to have trouble getting consistence ( at times even sense ) out of CD .

Happy New Year ! ..... inside a dinosaur ??? '' As New Year's Eve invitations go, the one received by 20 men in December 1853 was unusual. Apart from the fact that presumably none of the attendees wanted to spend the turning of the year with any of their womenfolk, the location was specified as "in the mould of the Iguanodon at the Crystal Palace. " https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2pgwj19plo .