Nungali

I was being serious .

This could end up rather confusing though ; Training partner ; " Why did you relase the armbar when I didnt tap out ?" Maddie ; " Because , when we get home ...... she gets cookies ! " Training partner ;

Actually you have hit upon a technique of managing the psyche that I would really like to explore further . But off topic for here .

Mhe . I think she did much better with that very obvious abusing insulting one . This was a walk in the park after that one !

I like that ..... people trying to 'under mind ' you . Thanks, it is now in the Nungali vocabulary

Some seem to have no trouble at all < snicker >

Yes. Thats why ( I think I added in there somewhere ) ' If I feel like it ' - if I choose to . When I choose to it is only under certain conditions . other times, I am , well ......... <see below > ... outrageous , annoying , persistent, harassing .... as a friend once said ; "You where not put here to make life easy . " But for some I am . Eg when I nursed the old and infirm, some wanted to be treated formerly and professionally , I would do that . Others wanted it to be informal and casual , I would do that . I would observe some of the other workers there , regardless of how the patient wanted to be treated they would be treated how the worker felt they should be treated , and sometimes, unfortunately that was disrespectful . I dont do it, for example ; if a liar wants to be believed . So its not an 'across the board' sort of thing .

Have you seen 'Cave of Forgotten Dreams ' by Werner Herzog ? If not, watch it , it will blow you away . You gotta see them pics 'moving' that is , as you walk through the cave and past the images . A still photo just dont do it justice . Also this expands theory and usage of the caves .

Ummmm ..... that sound you hear when you ask a question and get a lame overused philosophical obscure answer ?

Yeah ..... I should have made TWO lines ; physical ; Female ............................................................................................... Male . and people can be born anywhere along that line . Many seem clustered at either end but few are on the exact end extremities . 'Perceptual' ( add emotions, feeling, 'spirit', whatever ) Feminine ................................................................................................ Masculine same applies . Note ; the points where you are need not be the same on the physical line to the perceptual line . Eg . Some men might be entirely 'masculine' but show vestigial feminine traces in their genitals due to early physical development of genitals .... " The external sex organs – the penis in boys, the clitoris and labia majora in girls – don't start to differ from each other until about 11 weeks. And even then, it takes several more weeks to be able to easily see the difference between boys and girls on an ultrasound. as we know , sometimes this process ' gets confused' and the body can produce any variety of physical combinations or mixtures of those physical organs .

Well, that depends where you got your morals from ; Christian perspective ? No, you are required to see them as you see yourself and treat them as you want yourself to be treated .

Oh wow ... ya GOITTA 'site that one . ( meaning ; reference please )

It wasnt the thing itself I was 'endorsing ' but the persons perception of what their True Will was . I dont support alcoholism , but if that is a persons path ..... <shrug > . I am a Thelemite , so I dont ' Treat others as I want to be treated ' ... my Goodness ! what problems THAT would cause . I aim to treat them as THEY WANT to be treated if I am going to do something like that .... or I might not bother . I know, its probably a weird perspective for most . I said how I gave ........ ten bucks in her street cup . Miss Doo-gooder decided to inform me and everyone else present that ...... is a junkie , dont give her money . Then she went on to delight all of us present in how fantastic she was by buying the woman a healthy balanced lunch instead and giving that too her instead .... you should do that too . Nah ..... she asked for some money, I gave it to her, or I could have decided not to , its up to her what she does with her money . besides , what she gonna do with 2 , 3 or 4 lunches !

Now I am confused again . You seem to be talking about truth as if it has some human type attributes ? Perhaps you are talking about a human's perception of how truth is ?

This thread became very confusing for me .... I have to pay more attention to whats going on . I thought I was reading a post from Silent Thunder but it was from Blue eyed Snake ; I was .... Silent Thunder is like 'Bob' from 'Fight Club ' ? Well, I got that sorted , so now I can return to the world of 'normality ' .

Will he laugh or be offended at that ?

Ah , ya lost me now . Defending something 'devious' ?

They do to me ..... BUT ... two female friends who recently where told they needed one , refused for that very reason . One said the doctor suggested all sorts of benefits no more PM , no more this, no more that . She was very upset with doctor and declared that was what makes her a woman .

I actually agree with that . ' Say something' could be anything and not be offensive at all . Why get offended over 'something' . Saying 'something offensive ' is different ; subjective / objective . I would have to change it a bit though , as I dont expect others to behave as I do , ie make it an 'I statement ' . ' If I am offended about what someone else says , it was ME that got offended .... I could choose not to be offended , or take it in any way I choose .' EG . I might tell a friend they are a dickhead and they might laugh and say " Yeah .... I am sometimes .' The exact same statement ( caused by observation of same behavior ) might cause another (or the same person on a different day ) to be offended, hurt , sad, laugh, take it quietly, fire it back .... would I be responsible for all those different potential reactions or is it the person 'reacting' to them ? - yeah , I know I am off topic as this is not a 'transgender' issue but a general one . . .

I asked the same question to a 'mid-trans' guy in a magic group I was associating with for a bit , his answer was , " Because I needed to experience both in one lifetime ." < shrug > I thought that answer was 'fair enough ' .

Probably not . I doubt there would be any interest in it here aside from two other people .

Why is it confusing ? I dont understand that at all . " If one is true, the other must be false, right? " No, wrong . Why are you setting up this either / or thing ? I do not understand the statement 'if one is true the other must be false ' ... why ? You actually stated and set up at the beginning " which is beyond all " . You didnt state and set up ' this is the reality ' about either realities . You first made a distinction between them , then claimed confusion by saying how can they have a distinction . Now, THAT ^ is confusing ! UNLESS there is some doctrine I dont know of that states ; absolute or relative , there must be one or the other . " '