Nungali

Who claims that ??? and no, not all good comes from the west :

Its often been hard to post an image here lately . yes, 7 and 8 do seem similar , in the western system they would be under the 'invocations' section Ah yes .... little understood that one ! Sometimes I am asked ( usually after a 'session' of 'teaching' ... which is usually just getting bombarded by questions ) '' But what do you do now ?'' or '' Why dont you do that practice anymore .'' - thats the easier answer . I would say , possibly the same with me .... depending on the definition / concept of this 'mind' being talked about . . . and regarding that as the 'ultimate self ' . Very similar to the practice of 'maintaining consciousness center and energy flow through the 'hara ' . I mentioned this training before ; ' Now ... stand up and come over here next to me ..... did you loose your hara ? ... go back and sit then . '' yes it was mostly applied to 'fighting ' training , but after a while it spreads out to other areas . The more you tell me about this tradition the more I like it

Fight ... fight .... fight ..... Mod fight ! Yeah !

Yeah but ..... thats only because you dont have a soul

Australian desert dragon ; Thorny Devils ( ' Moloch horridus ' ) are really small but a wonderful lizard . You can put your hand under them , under the sand and scoop them up . They dont seem to mind and dont move while you do it, or maybe just a bit . On your hand they just sit there, maybe cock their head to look at you . It is illegeal to 'interfere' or touch them .... but I was with an indigenous elder and he instructed me to to do it as it was a desert sand 'roadway ' , so we moved them to safety . Curious little fellahs

You keep referencing this Egyptian 5 soul thing , even though its been pointed out twice its incorrect Egyptian concept of 'souls' is up to 9 . Are you trying to somehow join the Egyptian concept to the Kabbalistic ? and it also seems that by pacing them together like that you are assuming the Kabbalistic soul concept is similar to others .... nah ; '' In essence, while many philosophies explore multi-part souls (e.g., Ancient Egyptian) or the struggle between higher and lower selves, the specific combination of a dual soul structure, the five developmental levels, and the concept of the soul as a literal "part of God" waiting to be revealed within the context of Jewish law makes the Kabbalistic concept unique '' ( not that this helps Tommy with his question ... you just obfuscated things for him )

Excellent ! many just use the term and have all sorts of ideas about it . What do you think it might be ... from your perspective ( not really interested in a copy of others thoughts ... been researching that for decades ! ) ... let's say you do have one , what do you think it might be ? Office job ? Obviously the original context is not following the supposed 'current' recommended religious practice It can mean dont sell yourself out for material gains . Are you familar with the idea that many indigenous or even 'third world ' people with little material goods often seem naturally happy while rich people with a lot of possessions have a high rate of depression and 'pointlessness' ( that is ... unless you own a jetski ! )

A curious conversation . years back around the fire ; an aboriginal guy ; '' I dont get that white people philosophy stuff ?'' Me ; '' What stuff ? '' '' All that who am I , why am I here , what is the purpose of life ? I mean ... if you dont lknow any of that how you gonna do anything else ? How can you go through life like that without knowing who you are and why you are here ? You would think people like would make a real mess of things and not have a clue .'' Me ; '' Ummmmm .... well, yeah ! '' '' What do you mean ?'' Me ; < makes a gesture to include everything > '' Ohhhh ... right ! ''

or it could mean just : '' Dont take an office job . ''

Why did Mathew 16:2 hurl you back into the 70s ? have fun at 'tennis ' with 'Jane' ; ( ohhhhhhh dear ! )

Is there a (type of ) reverse Bonpo practice of this ? ... what I call 'active meditation ' .... a 'polarity' to the 'passive' meditation of 'stillness , silence , etc . I dont mean like in the first part of the above practice where the mind is encouraged to be active so as to move to the still state , but actually for the active part . Its a process in magick where one learns the magical correspondences so they 'bed in ' ( after a while into the 'unconscious ' ) so associations are 'automatic ' ; eg. Venus is similar to goddess Aphrodite , she rules love , her colors are the greens of nature, he incense is jasmine , her mandala , shape, number is .... etc . So , when one goes into the Venus temple , even the mind is active and wandering each 'wander' ( focus on things around one ) is Venusian and 'throws one back' into the 'Venus vibe ' ... so the active wandering mind is bought back into the focus of the operation or meditation . I am assuming something like exists due to the extravagant flamboyance of some rites , temples etc . and assuming all this ^ is not just 'for show' but has inner significance regarding shape, sound, form, smell, color ?

Down here you get to wear a soft helmet if you already have a brain injury .... thats only fair

Really ? Gosh ! I wish I had not wasted my time reading up on I.E. ........ genetics ! ( languages do not have genetics ) ... and just about everything ( except Japan ) are west of China . eg https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08531-5 [ Football down here means you can pick up the ball and run , bounce it like in basketball , pass it like a volleyball serve , kick it to each other like soccer and jump up in the air and grab it with your hands , and lots of 'crashing into each other ' and jumping up into the air (including running up someone else's back .... and kneeling on their shoulders ) ... and each goal has 4 vertical posts and is circular

But this might be the basis of ALL ancient divination in that ( 1 ) its basically easier , regardless of origin , to get an answer from a 'digital' 'binary question ( a yes or no answer ) than one that desires a complex 'story' answer . Ie. it never worked like ; '' Oracle , how should I invade the western lands ? '' Oracle ; '' Wait until winter , use cavalry initially and cut off their left flank , while a rear action cuts their supply chain and Vulture Pass , then proceed to .... '' Its more like '' Oracle should I invade the western lands this winter ?'' or even ; '' Should I invade the western lands by waiting until winter , use cavalry initially and cut off their left flank , while a rear action cuts their supply chain and Vulture Pass , then proceed to ...'' and of course ( 2 ) will follow on from that ; yes and no answers ARE binary or paired structures (ie questions in sequence ) . and from that would develop ( 3 ) and regarding ( 4 ) ummmmm what ? ALL divination or any type , by definition , IS a '' a closed symbolic code that mediates between human questions and divine decisions. '' . What is needed is a demonstrable IE system that is like and predates China's ( maybe that has been shown somewhwere in above posts and I missed it ? ) I did an AI search on the first IE divination systems , no, they dont seem similar to Chinese , so I asked AI for a summary on the issue ; '' There is no widely accepted evidence that ancient Indo-European divination systems directly influenced the Chinese I Ching. The I Ching (or Zhou Yi in its early form) is an indigenous Chinese text whose core methods and philosophy developed independently within ancient Chinese culture, primarily from the Shang and Zhou dynasties (c. 1200–750 BCE). Origins of the I Ching The I Ching originated as a form of cleromancy (divination by lots), evolving from even older Chinese practices involving oracle bones and tortoise shells. The system is based on: Oracle Bones/Tortoise Shells: The earliest known Chinese written records are divinations inscribed on bones and shells from the late Shang dynasty (c. 1200–1050 BCE). Yarrow Stalks/Coins: The later I Ching text itself was a divination manual that used the manipulation of yarrow stalks (and later, coins) to generate random numbers (6, 7, 8, or 9), which were then converted into one of 64 hexagrams (six-line figures of solid or broken lines). Cosmology: The philosophical underpinnings of the I Ching are deeply rooted in Chinese concepts of yin and yang and the five elements (Wuxing), which developed over centuries and became central to both Confucianism and Taoism. Arguments for and Against Influence Most historical linguists and sinologists maintain that Old Chinese is a language family separate from Indo-European, and the two traditions developed largely in isolation regarding these specific practices However, one hypothesis, proposed by sinologist Victor H. Mair and others, suggests that some of the names of the eight I Ching trigrams and a few key terms might have Indo-European linguistic origins due to ancient cultural exchanges across Eurasia. This linguistic hypothesis is not universally accepted within academia and does not necessarily imply that the entire divination system or the underlying philosophy of the I Ching was an import; the practice of divination itself and the structure of the hexagrams remain distinctly Chinese in origin. In summary, while there may have been minor linguistic contact for some terms, the systems of divination themselves are considered to have independent origins and developed within their own distinct cultural and philosophical frameworks. '' Note ; the thin linguistic comparisons relate only to some Chinese words for the trigrams and a a 'few terms ' ... the evidence is far to thin to postulate an origin in the west .

Oh no ... there is a wave of it just starting about to rise in intensity . Several people around me are talking incomprehensible rubbish , more than usual, the last few days ... and now its spreading to all types of normally 'clear' people . Including my gardener this morning ; explained a VERY simple job three times , with him nodding and making comments that seemed to indicate comprehension and then repeating back to me what he should do ..... that wasnt what I explained * ! Oh ... the cause of this 'wave ' ? https://www.livescience.com/space/the-sun/giant-sunspot-on-par-with-the-one-that-birthed-the-carrington-event-has-appeared-on-the-sun-and-its-pointed-right-at-earth It happens every so often *

? yeah but ... 'we' all know it has a clear origin in Hebrew Scripture . Perhaps a better example is the influence Zoroastrianism had on Judaism before the inception of Judaism ( and I dont mean Abraham ) ... some of us realize that but as well ( and I hope ; to your point ) that the Jewish Bible is 'Jewish ' and not 'Zoroastrianism ' ' Influence ' is not ' origin ' .... is it ? Or even if some thin 'evidence' or 'influence' came into China from the 'western ' Steppes ( 'IE Homeland ' ) 'Yijing ' is essentially Chinese . [ Aside : not many realize but there are other dynamics with this idea of 'deportation ' , in many cases people were bought from other parts of the Empire and put in place where people had been 'deported' from . The Assyrians did this in Israel ( the old 'northern kingdom', that is ) and related area; took Canaanites out of Israel and moved people from other places into Israel ... and in Judah , that happened later .

I and other know .... but apparently you dont ? He cited a date of 53 bc , which is why he was originally asked how that had to do with 9th C BC ? And if you are postulating that a few small settlements relating to Rome's origins ( that is not Rome itself :The first 'Roman Kingdom ' started 753 -509 bc ) got a legion together to do a military campaign into China ...... well ..... all I can say is enjoy your burger

I see ..... but then you woke up and you were actually ....... .

? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zirconium

Control sounds dangerously close to oppression , to me . There is this thing in similarity between dealing with children , dealing with yourself , drives and emotions etc and dealing with a skidding motorcycle Sometimes trying to 'control ' things makes it worse . I'd say subtle persuasion, at the best ...... things may arise , be felt .... but in my view its the 'output' or end result that is important , Once , someone to me ; '' But, why are you not jealous ? '' '' Oh, I am .... but thats for me to deal with .... internally , I dont see what yelling, stamping my feet or being violent would achieve , except making me feel worse about that later . ''

any of what happened ?

I wish I could post the film .... if you were a little mouse and big cat was hassling you .... where to hide ? On the cat ( sometimes the too obvious works ) a friend showed me this on her phone ..... very fluffy cat is 'playing' with a mouse , mouse manages to escape and hide , but where ? Cat looks around, side to side .... no mouse , huh ? Where did he go . Then on the film you hear friend say '' Its on your shoulder ! '' and you can notice a grey lump in the thick hair of fluffy cat . cat turns its head backwards and sees it ... oh man, the look on the cats face ! but that causes mousy to burrow in deeper . The follows an hilarious visual of frantic cat acrobatics , shaking, flipping cartwheels, high jumps, legs and tail going everywhere . '' Get im off getim off !

That whole work of his is not a scientific treatise , its a philosophical one ... he was a philosophy as well as a 'cat supposer ' Was you question ; if consciousness is generated from 'one ' how do different people seem so different in consciousness ? Obviously than, its the instruments using the same thing / energy not that the enrgy is the 'instrument ' consciousness is not the instrument , it is what 'activates' the instrument . OR you could see each 'instrument' as a lens or facet of the one illumination