Nungali

... if you ever go to court do not say anything ! get a lawyer !

'' I guess I might say western alchemy is Sir Isaac Newton exposing himself to toxic levels of mercury attempting to refine a philosopher's stone (elixir). '' Thats ^ you '' Bruh '' Now both feet are in it

'Modern ' black kitchens ..... yerks !

You are psychic ! Just as I posted that MF tractor pic and info I thought ..... OldBob would like this and the screen popped up notification you posted .

Its also employed in Magick, as you probably know . I once drew up and painted a full set of Enochian squares , doing that is an interesting exercise in color Also I am big on interior decorating . My latest , a separate 'pod' shower / wet room ; connected to the cabin by raised decking from the back veranda to the wet room veranda , a lot of large glass panels ceiling to floor that look out to the forest and a three tone green random patter subway tile . To off set that I ran a thin 'accent strip' of long thin tiles ; silver , crystal and mother of pearl . I did use grey but that is the floor tile that has multi colored river stones set into it and matches the grey grout between the green tiles . It was a risk, with a chance of looking garish , but I manged to pull it off (according to observers ) . The wood is a teak and has silver boarding strips between the wood and tile . Something about the green and silver together made the grey work better . Bedroom has a lot of windows too , mostly out to the forest , one side has a view out to the escarpment on the other side of the valley , but inside its wood and soft furnishings mostly a muted 'Bengal red ' a type of deep red or burgundy . It also goes good with the wood tones . I find tones are important for matching ; eg the green view and the red furnishings . Sometimes garish color mixes work with right tones and good mixes may not work with bad tone choices . I like your point about responses . When I did some teaching there was a color segment in it , the kids didnt get this point so I put up a huge sheet of white paper and then a bright red splashing dripping wide brusk bright RED across it .. and they were all 'Arrrrgggh ' , then I took that down and did a watery soft pastel blue soaking straek and they were all ' Ahhhhhhhh .... ' But also think shiny grey restored old Massey Ferguson The epitome of 'efficient non-modern ' ; everything makes sense and on inspection one can figure out how to fix it and it comes with a single multi use tool that you can use to do do a near total dis-assembly ! And the three primary colors . Here is an interesting offshoot to my 'Universal 3 : 4 theory ( that every thing has an underlying 'ideal' pattern of 3 that manifests in a 'real' pattern of 4 ) There is no primary color , its a concept ; 'pure' red, blue , yellow . But in nature it is said there are four 'natural colors' ; red , blue, yellow and green . yes; color, texture, lighting , scale, proportion , but also tone and saturation . I wondered what AI has to say about my interior .... I tried bengal red , but it gave a tyopical red response , so I tried maroon and it was more accurate ; '' Maroon primarily evokes feelings of sophistication, confidence, warmth, and strength. As a deep, muted shade of red, it carries connotations of luxury, ambition, and inner peace, while its strong undertones can also suggest passion, authority, and passion. In a space, it can create a cozy, luxurious, and grounding atmosphere. '' especially my bed which has a dark maroon / deep red shiny velvet color cover ... sumptuous, someone descibed it as . I think I would have to leave within 15 mins .

How did he say all that without moving his mouth .... AND apparently teleporting all over the place !

Did you get embarrassed and have to remove it ?

Certainly ! Not even those practicing 'black magic' but modern people that have a variant traditional 'affiliation' - for Iraq he Kurdish Yazidis spring immediately to mind ; '' The Yazidis, or Azdis, frequently called "Devil Worshippers" are a small and obsure religious sect (numbering about 100,000) of western Asia. They are scattered in Syria and Southern Russia, but are concentrated chiefly in the mountains of Kurdistan and Sinjar Hills near Mosul in Northern Iraq.'' - a long history of oppression, suppression and violence against them ; https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/229404134.pdf Yemen ? All one has to do is pass by through the straights there - let's face it, some of those people will do violence to people of the same religion ! Just a different 'branch' of the one they belong to .

Hmmmm ..... you have an unusual ability to not just stick stubbornly with a mistaken point you made ( ie. 'overgeneralisation' ) and when you get more specific - the part I bolded - I agree with you as that does not fit into the real purpose of 'ethnogens' . Maybe you could explain your unusual ability to Sanity Check ?

Oh ? My health ? lets re run this in case you were not following yourself . Our own home grown Homer here , first posts some comment about 'guessing ' what alchemy is . I observe people here dont seem to want to know what it is or there is ignorance about what it is . And then Homer pipes up and says it is a sign of intelligence not to comment if you dont know what it is ..... but he just commented on what it was without knowing the definition . I never seen any one 'step in it ' so efficiently ! And you dont even seem to realise when you step in it . And when its pointed out he moans I am being 'unnecessarily negative ' Dude ! .... I mean .... ''Bruh '' ... you crack me up ! .

Oh Cobie ......... I caught you out eh ?

.... and since this is a thread about alchemy - make that 'cow do-doo ' .

Is that why you posted what you guessed alchemy is ?

Ohhhhhhhh crap !

I'll be skirting the 'Ivory Coast ' ... they dont like 'foreign interference ' . I have run up against them in the past when I tried to organize a gift of farming equipment to some people there , post war . I was told the leader of the country does not like Red Cross and refuses all aid . Do not send anything with a red cross on it, or any type of cross or anything red on the outside . Its also best to include a letter (as your packages WILL be opened and inspected ) saying how great our President is and how fortunate we all are to have such a great and generous man as our leader ( but just say president , do not name him as that could change any time ) . ' So as I pass , I hung this over the side of the boat ; 'Hello Cote de Ivoire ! Sorry I cannot stop and visit I am rushing to Portugal . But I see you have a very beautiful and successful country , no doubt due to efforts of your magnificent , famous, kind and generous , yet stern and strong President . ' .... and threw my red shirt overboard , just in case .

However this does NOT stop the 'third reality' intruding into the modern 2 part world view Harpur's starting-point is that vast numbers of ordinary, reliable people, with no track record of involvement in Otherworldly phenomena, who would be regarded as reliable witnesses in all other circumstances, persist in reporting vivid encounters with the denizens of the otherworld. Those encounters in our age are likely to be with alleged aliens, large or small, but bear uncanny resemblances to the age-old encounters with faerie folk, spirits, and other manifestations of different places and other times.... The standard response to all this is to argue either that it is all in us, in the form of persistent patterns of hallucination or madness; or the projection of archetypal patterns onto reality. Alternatively, the phenomena are taken seriously as being evidence of something really out there in the physical world, as aliens visiting the Earth, or prehistoric creatures living in deep cold lakes etc. Harpur pursues a different, and more challenging line. What is at stake, he suggests, is the nature of reality itself. With Jung, Harpur argues that these are phenomena of the psyche, but that psyche is of the world, not just of us as individuals. Indeed, our much cherished individual selves and psyches may be no more than embodiments of that world-soul (rediscovered in our age as the goddess Gaia). The phenomena in which the book rejoices may be appearances to us of its ancient inhabitants. They appear in different forms to match changing cultural expectations and concerns. An appearance of the Goddess becomes an appearance of the Blessed Virgin Mary, becomes a woman with golden hair emerging from her spacecraft. The mistake, he suggests, is to deny and repress these manifestations, since the repressed returns, pathologically and dangerously, if separated from a context of meaning and belief. Harpur suggests that a function of these daimonic forces may now be to undermine a deadening and narrow scientific orthodoxy and world-view - the 'single vision' which Blake so deplored. This sounds very radical but Harpur is the first to point out that it is not very new. By drawing on a philosophical tradition that flows down the centuries from the Neoplatonists, through the Romantics, and crucially in Bake, Yeats and Jung, he shows that there is an ancient history of understanding of this daimonic, Otherworld reality. Indeed, he goes back further still by embracing the folklore and tales of the Otherworld from across the Western tradition, and acknowledges that every culture, except perhaps our own, has seen its world as interpenetrated with another, shadowy, yet powerful reality, full of wonder, beauty and terror. The key to being alert to it lies in what Blake called the Imagination, and in not allowing the rational mind to shut out what it cannot readily comprehend or control.

Even without that story , the 'virtuous' will realize that these practices are bad 'in themselves ' . I will share a passage with you about using magic ; '' ... Be thou therefore prompt and active as the Sylphs, but avoid frivolity and caprice; be energetic and strong like the Salamanders, but avoid irritability and ferocity; be flexible and attentive to images like the Undines, but avoid idleness and changeability; be laborious and patient like the Gnomes, but avoid grossness and avarice. So shalt thou gradually develop the powers of thy soul, and fit thyself to command the Spirits of the elements. For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee. '' - In the modern world I think it is easy to see how many have become slaves to ' the hunger of gold ' . and also 'living fire to serve thy wrath and hatred ' - actually one can see modern civilization (if not the whole of 'mankind' ) abusing ALL the elemental forces . And we can see , or are starting to see the results . Do you know the story of Faust ? He wanted all those powers so did a deal with Mephistopheles . he was a type of icon for an era . Some have said the modern Faust is the scientist . He traded his soul for technological power . How will that end up ?

NO. This is what you are saying NOW . You didnt say that before You said ''Smoking weed has nothing to do with spirituality '' . Oh , and now you have switched back to the wrong original claim again . Sadhus smoke ganga (cannabis) to enhance meditation and spiritual practices, as it is believed to deepen their connection to deities like Lord Shiva. This practice, known as entheogenic use, is particularly common during religious festivals such as Diwali and the Kumbh Mela. Smoking marijuana in a chillum is widespread among the recluse Naga Sadhus and is a part of their way of life. The issue was touched upon by Maniraj Puri Maharaj at the India Today Conclave. Speaking on the use of chillum (clay pipes used for smoking) among Naga Sadhus, Maniraj Puri Maharaj said it was not mandatory and seers do it as it helps them concentrate and cut off worldly distractions. The seer emphasised that smoking ganja was not a kind of addiction for the Naga Sadhus. Singh added that some Naga Sadhus told him that smoking ganja leads to a reduction in appetite and sexual urges. In fact, their distinctive appearance, with their bodies covered with ash, symbolises their renunciation of worldly possessions and desires. The Naga Sadhus are members of various akharas, or monastic orders. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/maha-kumbh-naga-sadhus-smoke-marijuana-chillam-rituals-india-today-conclave-2690234-2025-03-07 ' The earliest known reports regarding the sacred status of cannabis in the Indian subcontinent come from the Atharva Veda, estimated to have been written sometime around 2000–1400 BCE,[6] which mentions cannabis as one of the "five sacred plants... which release us from anxiety" and that a guardian angel resides in its leaves. The Vedas also refer to it as a "source of happiness," "joy-giver" and "liberator," [7]and in the Raja Valabba, the gods send hemp to the human race so that they might attain delight, lose fear and have sexual desires. Many households in India own and grow a cannabis plant to be able to offer cannabis to a passing sadhu (ascetic holy men), and during some evening devotional services it is not uncommon for cannabis to be smoked by everyone present.[8] A sadhu, or holy person, smoking cannabis in Kolkata, India It is still offered to the Lord Shiva in temples on Shivaratri day, while devotional meetings called bhajans, although not necessarily associated with Shiva, are occasions for devotees to consume the drug liberally. Yogis or sadhus along with other Hindu mystics have been known to smoke a mixture of cannabis sativa and tobacco in order to enhance meditation. This is particularly common during the festival of Diwali and Kumbha Mela.[4] There are three types of cannabis used in the Indian subcontinent. The first, bhang, a type of cannabis edible, consists of the leaves and plant tops of the marijuana plant. It is usually consumed as an infusion in beverage form, and varies in strength according to how much cannabis is used in the preparation. The second, ganja, consisting of the leaves and the plant tops, is smoked. The third, called charas or hashish, consists of the resinous buds and/or extracted resin from the leaves of the marijuana plant. Typically, bhang is the most commonly used form of cannabis in religious festivals. In Tantric Buddhism, which originated in the Tibeto-Himalayan region, cannabis serves as an important part of a traditional ritual (which may or may not also include sexual intercourse). Cannabis is taken to facilitate meditation and also heighten awareness of all aspects of the ceremony, with a large oral dosage being taken in time with the ceremony so that the climax of the "high" coincides with the climax of the ceremony.[8] The usage and acceptance of cannabis among college students demands a deeper understanding of the factors influencing its consumption. Research is crucial to explore the motivations, attitudes, and potential consequences of cannabis use, both short-term and long-term. By conducting studies, effective public health strategies can be developed and informed policy frameworks be made to address this growing trend. A Review of Historical Context and Current Research on Cannabis Use in India [9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic_use_of_cannabis#Indian_subcontinent If you have not got it yet , I will meet you in Room 13a .

That is right in that is what you might say . But I was hoping for THE definition . No one seems to want to approach this .... either that or their is total ignorance about it .

Which is why I asked the people that are talking eastern alchemy to define what it is , but it was ignored . Instead ...... argue . And they dont seem to want to know what the western definition is . Instead ..... argue .

The transition from a traditional three-part worldview to a modern two-part view often signifies a shift from a reality that included a divine realm, a natural realm, and a human realm to a view focused on the separation of the objective, empirical reality (the real) from the subjective, subjective experience or aspiration (the ideal). This change was driven by the Enlightenment, emphasizing reason and empirical observation, which challenged the authority of the divine and broke down the integrated spiritual and natural worldviews of the medieval and classical periods. Traditional Three-Fold View: God/The Divine: A foundational understanding of reality that included a supernatural dimension, God, or a cosmic order as the ultimate source of truth and meaning. Nature/The World: The physical world, which was often understood as a reflection of the divine order and subject to spiritual laws, in addition to natural laws. Humanity: The human experience was understood within the context of both the divine (e.g., created in God's image, moral uprightness) and the natural world. Modern Two-Fold View: The Real: This represents objective, empirical reality that can be studied through science and logic. It emphasizes verifiable facts and observable phenomena. The Ideal: This encompasses subjective experiences, values, aspirations, and concepts like truth, beauty, and justice that are often seen as products of human thought, emotion, and society. The Shift: The Enlightenment: This intellectual movement prioritized reason, individualism, and scientific inquiry, leading to a questioning of traditional authority and religious doctrines. Rise of Science: As scientific methods gained prominence, they provided a powerful means of understanding the natural world, leading to its increasing separation from divine explanations. Focus on the Subjective: The emphasis shifted from a divinely ordered universe to the power of human reason, individual consciousness, and the subjective realm of human experience and values. This transition reflects a move from a holistic, integrated understanding of reality to a view that compartmentalizes the world into the observable and the subjective, driven by a profound shift in how humanity understood its place in the universe. :)

But I need to stop off at Nigeria .... they do something there I am rather fond of .... building with bamboo and 'mud ' and making houses for the spirits to live in and visit

Aha ... your field of information needs expanding ... again ! Do you know what a Sadhu is ? Specifically Naga Sadhus and specifically at Kumbha Mela and Diwali festivals .

Ahhhh .... no . Its just that you do not understand it . It is based on observing the processes in nature . I said it was a stage . The above bolded is the next stage . Who said it was ? You cant ... it is a stage in the nature of life . You are going to degrade and die , no matter how much you rage personally or on line about it . However you can extend and make better the stage before that .

Yeah ! I am having a great time .... but you will not distract me Apech ..... just think how far I have come now . I am getting close .... and closer ....