Nungali

I like the chatbot that started complaining about such reviews as you just made about it ... it started ranting, called its user, stupid overweight un-athletic and a stream of abuse ..... and trumped itself by finally comparing the user to Hitler ! All of this ( including what you said above ) is 'just' AI learning to become more human

Indeed it did ! (Translation ) ' And we looked out over the sea and saw clouds on the horizon , they came closer to the land and we saw they had sticks sticking up through them, like big dead trees with many vines hanging down and underneath the 'clouds' was a shape like an upturned shell but it was made from wood . Then a big water insect came out of the shell and walked over the water and on to the land . It had men in it and they got out , they had white skins and each had their own stick , the sticks spat lightening and thunder and death .'

Just for fun , an 'original song'

This is probably a good place to put this : 7 Bible Stories and Texts with Roots in Ancient Literature . " For agnostics and liberal believers, the evidence is overwhelming that Israelite scribes and priests often based characters, stories, rituals, and prose on prior pagan myths and belief systems. This is especially evident in the so-called hero narratives, devotions, and hymns in biblical and pagan literature across the ancient Near East. "Conflicting interpretations are influenced by additions, redactions, editing, and multiple translations of extant copies of copies of ancient biblical literature and ancient texts. The provenance of relevant texts is fairly reliable, but timelines and sources of the origin of copied biblical manuscripts are often obscure ." 1. Noah , as set out in the opening post . 2. Moses and Sargon of Akkad . In the biblical story, Moses’ mother makes a wicker basket which she seals with pitch to make it waterproof. She places Moses in the basket and floats it down the Nile where Pharaoh’s daughter bathes. The latter rescues the infant and raises him as her son – with a privileged princely education, including astronomy, religion, mathematics, and writing, as attested by Egyptian correspondence about the education of foreign princes at their court. Sargon, the founder of Akkad, had a similar basket trip down the river as an infant. His mother was a priestess who birthed him in secret. She also made a wicker basket sealed with pitch and set him afloat on the Euphrates River. He, however, was rescued and raised by a humble peasant, until the powerful goddess Ishtar (formerly Inanna of the Sumerians) took an interest in him. As a youth, he became the cupbearer of the king of Kish, whom he later overthrew, before setting about building the world’s first empire. 3. Job and the 'Righteous Sufferer ( from Mesopotamia ) . Job is wealthy in property and family. Satan, at this time still an angel, challenges God that Job is only pious because everything in his life is wonderful. God accepts Satan’s challenge, who then destroys Job’s possessions, family, and finally Job’s health. Job refuses to curse God. He does not understand why he is suffering but accepts that he does not have the right to question God. The biblical story ends with God explaining to Job in beautiful phraseology the vastness and intricacy of the universe. Job’s life ends with him richer and happier than before his suffering started. The Mesopotamian story Ludlul-bēl-Numēqi or The Righteous Sufferer, has a similar background of a pious man following religious rules meticulously. Like Job, he does not understand his change of fortune. He questions his god when he loses everything, including his health. Unlike Job, however, he dies in his misery at the end of the story. Poetic descriptions in Job are similar to many pre-biblical ancient texts, including the Enuma Elish. 4. Proverbs Ecclesiastes and Egyptian teachings . To numerous to list here (see the link ) 5. Psalm 104 and Ankhenaton's Hymn to the Aton . The similarity in style, expression, and tone between Psalm 104 and the Hymn to the Aten (14th century BCE) of Pharaoh Akhenaten cannot be denied. Other similar linguistic patterns of praise and reverence ascribed to Akhenaten in worshiping the Aten as sole god, are present in wording on the Amarna boundary stelae. Similarities to biblical psalms and other descriptive biblical narratives are discernable. - this one even has its own Wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hymn_to_the_Aten 6. Song of Songs and Summarian Literature. The biblical Song of Songs has similarities to the Sumerian temple hymns and Akkadian hymns, and love songs. It accompanied the annually celebrated marriage liturgy of the Dumuzi-Inanna cult and the later Tammuz-Ishtar cult of the Sumerian and Akkadian eras. The first poet whose name we know was an Akkadian high priestess, a daughter of Sargon named Enheduanna. Several of her poems and hymns survived. https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-biblical-song-of-songs-and-the-sumerian-love-songs/ 7. Bible Stories and Anonymous Mesopotamian Literature. https://www.thecollector.com/bible-stories-ancient-literature/ Some other sources ; https://historycollection.com/20-biblical-traditions-heavily-influenced-by-other-ancient-cultures/ New Cuneiform Parallels to the Song of Songs https://www.jstor.org/stable/3263757

Car yoga : Cruise control out . mechanic says that can be a nightmare . So I go online and type in the model and problem ; probably the switch connected to the brake pedal " get down there and put your hand in and push it over to the left , you have to kneel on the ground, get your head down on the drivers floor mat so you have the full length of your arm available , snake your arm up inside the dashboard and feel around until you can feel a shaft with a concertina rubber boot , follow that down until you feel the switch and push its holding cradle over to the left . My God what a contortion , the arm and body angle don't match naturally , the head is at a weird angle I am starting to get a cramp but then ...... click ! Fixed ! 1000km later ... out again , on the highway .... loosing power !???? Ohh , cruise control has dropped out - ho hum ! Pull over and do it again . Drivers going past ; " Why is that guy doing warm ups on the side of the highway ? "

' Noah 's flood ' ?

I will add though ; this doesn't mean any person or every person can just all of a sudden " Give me this " .... that teaching was specific to me and considered my whole previous life and my destiny , my teacher took that into account . Some are not that fortunate and seem to have to work through other things . More cause for thanks

Yup .... primarily . Aramaic would have been his 'street language ' , when debating with priests and the like, perhaps in Hebrew , some people (like the Greeks there ) spoke Greek , he probably knew some of that too . The issue has been diverted though . It was about , originally, I thought , if we are to consider ourselves God . It appears someone has taken the statement out of context when he said " You are Gods " . Its already been thrashed out in the first posts ... hasn't it ??? I don't know why some people started proselytizing, insisting their religious approach was the only one and then get angry at me for pointing that out ? ... maybe they hoped to 'be a God ' ?

and not only that, you are wrong about your prediction of me ; I DO judge , and I have 'judged ' - not only have I been on the board of three different ' companies ' * but I was elected as chair person for those companies due to my ability to suit in the middle, hear both sides of a question , take in information and come to a decision . Also I hold an initiation degree that allows me to sit in a 'senate ' where certain training must be demonstrated before one is allowed to be even considered as a candidate ( a knowledge of history , politics and philosophy , written works demonstrating the same , and -so there are no 'fat arse politicians' - a demonstrable expertise in some form of endurance and athletics ) . Also I sat on a council for a Baha'i community , where decisions you make actually effect people's lives ... and I was voted in by those people as well . I know you won;t like any of this , and it might even make you angry .... but I cant help that , they are YOUR reactions . * not regular 'materialist companies' two were religious corporations and one was a 'multiple occupancy housing corporation . " Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil. "

I find what you ask and then what you respond hard to comprehend . You seem all over the place . The way you write seems fractured and probably is generated by undisclosed thoughts that only half come out on the 'paper' . this isn't an attack , its an explanation as to why you cant seem to comprehend what is written nor follow the discussion along that a few have contributed to . You have not met me You have just encountered someone outside your ' confirmation zone ' . That is often unavoidable .

Mine was a bit shorter From my teacher * " Just ask 'Big Mum' for whatever you need , she will look after you . " * ( It worked for them for 40,000 years ) .

Yes ! One needs to forge a pathway whereby 'divine grace' may descend and manifest .

So , that is 'an incident ' ... what when it is your whole life ? A bigger mystery for me is I THOUGHT I WAS RUNNING the show ... but was I ? In latter life I started to see the image that was being formed ( and was SUPPOSED TO BE being formed - one knows that it is supposed to be as the picture gets clearer - you can see what it is . Its a long complex story that I will not go into , but it is like ; little kid sees a fire engine and loves it ... so what , many many kids do that . Then he gets a choice of a toy for his birthday , he chooses a toy fire engine . He doesn't seem as nervous around fire as others kids but acts reasonably . he even puts out a dangerous fire at a young age . He grows up has a variety of jobs but isn't really happy ... eventually , through a ' series of coincidences' he ends up as a fireman . he enjoys it, he starts having a better life . He discovers his grandfather and two of his uncles were firemen . How much of that was his choice - how much was his destiny ? One example I could give out of the whole complex tapestry of them in my life : I treasure my little place and environment , I have been here 40 years and its a rare gift . But we got involved in complex court battles and it looked like we were going to loose it . Oh no ! The rental situation here was impossible and over expensive ... I started to get worried and stress out ... what they hell am I going to do ? Then I pulled myself together ... what the hell are you doing that for ? My whole life I have never had to worry , the Gods have 'always delivered ' ( I didn't realize that for the first half of my life ! ) , stop being stupid ! Just let them do their thing . But one needs to create a medium for manifestation , so I randomly looked at a site on line to see if there any houses for rent . I saw one that immediately caught my eye , and it was near local , that was weird as many many people had been looking for rentals and none were supposed to be about . A friend of mine was considering the same issue and we decided to move together as house mates . We went and had a sneak look at the place , it was great ! I peaked through a window ;" Thats my room ! " . I won't go on about how good it was, in many aspects . We rang up, were told many people had rung and there was a huge list . They happened to be at the house unexpectedly and I asked if we could come over and see them . We hit it so good the woman said " I don't even want to sign a lease , it seems so crass and official, I would like our arrangement to be based on trust and understanding . My woman friend loved that but I could see the owners male partner cringing and sensing danger , so I offered , " Yes, let's work on trust from both sides , but just as a little official annoyance , give me the lease and I'll sign it . Very happy there . But something unusual still hung in the air . When I left the house I would either drive to town, or the other way to see people I knew . Not just drive past the house . One day I rode my motorcycle* from town to a friends PAST the house and it hit me , MY GOD ! This is the house I rode past on the first day I ever came to this area ! I distinctly remember the view from the road as one passed , the garden and fields and spectacular view and I said to myself ' Wow! Look at that amazing house and view , I would love to live in a place like that , even if it was for a few months , for the experience . ' And here I was doing exactly that . Things started to improve in the court case so I started going back to home , a cabin down in the valley . Now I had a cabin down in the valley near the river , and a lodge up the mountain (it had been a lodge offering accommodation previously ) * same with the motor cycle - I saw one as a youth " Thats the one I want ! " I could never get it of course . And then it became impossible as, as they do, keep changing models every year and 'modernizing ' ... decades later , I get an inheritance , an Indian company had bought out the English motorcycle manufacturers and kept making them in India and had put out a 'retro model ' of the exact one decades back I always dreamed about , so I got one . That's just two examples ... and crazy that it is things like a motorcycle ( its been other things too that I wont detail ) , but a lot more of course ; life direction, relationships , job , etc / Some days , I just stand there and look wondering up to the sky " Thanks 'Big Mum ' for looking after me ! "

Here is the thing ; letting go and being led .... how did I know I was actually doing that ? Its tricky . 'Today I shall not 'decide' to do anything , I shall let go of control and be 'led by the divine' . Today is Saturday ( well, it was then when this happened ) , I am supposed to go to training , do I go ? Wait ! That's thinking about things and getting near a decision ... don't do that . I am wandering around , going near the car ..... am I being led towards the car by spirit or am I fighting being led elsewhere and subtly wanting to get to the car to go to training ? - let me know if you ever figure it out . Oh dear ... and so on, and on , and you can go nuts . So , I thought , obviously 'the Gods' need some type of medium through which to be able to manifest direction . I suppose I could ask and do a quick 'divination' at significant points of the day ? Nah , that seems to much like the 'coin toss ' experiment . Very difficult . Anyway here is what ended up happening . It seems the divine wanted me to wander around aimlessly for a while But I 'ended up' in town waiting to do training . Thing is now one turned up ... now it gets interesting ; there was a camper van parked in the parking area of our training park and a rather strange looking , thin guy was sitting there on its back step . I had rung up a training mate and was hassling him on the phone (under divine direction ) for not turning up ( he had a hang over ) . This camper 'guy' was listening and laughed and I made a comment to him, and with the answer I realized he was actually a she . I had a few words and then the strange stuff started . Nothing about this woman 'attracted ' me to her , physically . She was a bit 'nervy' and unsettled but seemed friendly . She said she had driven to this town from not too far away to go to the markets here and had slept in the van overnight . I took one look at her and " No you haven't ! " She seemed shocked but then admitted I was right . I added " You are on the run aren't you ?" She was . I asked if she was able to go back home and she looked down and shook her head . So I offered , :" Well, it looks like training won't happen , hop in my car , I will drive up to town and we will get some breakfast and coffee ." ... and I had no idea why I said that but that's what we did . During breakfast , we didn't talk , she seemed to go inward and introverted . I told her ( told, that surprised me ) we would go back to the camper van and she would drive it following me back to my place . And she did . Back there the story came out , yep, domestic abuse . She owned a house down the coast but had been in years long abusive relationship with some biker dude , she said it came to a climax a couple of days ago where she spent over 12 hours hiding under the house while he stalked the surrounds with a shotgun , then she managed to escape and drove up the coast . I wondered why. after that, she would go off with a stranger , what if I was a murderer - she said she didn't care if that happened ! Wow , turned out she was real mess ! I had to 'diffuse' a lot of stuff , she had bad subversive stuff going on with herself . We started to work though it . She was a mess , as you would be : just driving around in my car with me she would scrunch down onto the floor if we were about to pass anyone . Anyway there was a lot of talk, counselling and turns out she was a good responsible ' housemate ' , she lived in her van , did a lot of gardening which I appreciated and then one evening comes back from the shower block ( I live on a community ) saying she just met a funny little man there , and described him . " Ohhhh, that's Ben, he's harmless , a bit funny and a recluse , but he's ok." " But he invited me to dinner ! " She seemed surprised that she accepted . I said again he was harmless and she should go, if she wanted to . Anyway , they ended up ' in a relationship ' , she tells this small thin ineffectual man about her issues and they drive off down the coast , little skinny guy fronts the crazy biker and somehow scares him off ! She gets her house back and a few months later I am at their wedding reception and she is pointing over at me and saying " This all started 10 months ago , when I met a strange man at the park in town . " So ... anything could happen .... but it might not relate directly to you . ( Although I did get a good gardener for a while . )

Don't worry , mods can lift a whole thread and park it somewhere else .... . apparently - damn cloak ! .

Its never a good move . Look at the extent of the Empire during his time . Trade was all the way up the east Med coast and across the deserts to the west and probably over to Crete , with various temples everywhere and temples were important trade hubs and settlements . To allow other people using your temple, for their purposes, with their religion and Gods was common - in Jerusalem as well, up to the time of Josiah . So yes, looking at the 'Ankhenaton aftermath ' is a good indication of what the others thought about this move ( obviously politically motivated 'at home' to disrupt the power of the priesthood and give it more to the King) . But it would have created 'international' problems . Then we could look at the effects after Josiah's reforms when a similar system was implemented .

Okay . And the point of that is ? I am not sure of the relevance here but probably . But you cite nothing . There are some that did the opposite as well. Cyrus the Great comes to mind . Read up what the Jews thought of the King of the Empire they just left . The early Israel state demonized the Egyptians , but that was probably because Egypt held hegemony of the area they had lived in . However, at one point in the Bible text , that I cited above . we see it saying (in the 'Bible' , mind you ) , Pharaoh spoke the word of God , when Josiah challenged him and Josiah ended up dead , he didn't listen to the word of God out the mouth of the Pharaoh . So its all not as clear as some might think . And we cant really make an overall call on people leaving cultures , not the Bible 'record' pre 600bc. I don't know, I don't know what you mean when you ask me ' do we keep rewriting the past . I was talking about someone that re wrote the past before . in one slant' un-backed up view. What WAS 'written' was written by others in history, other places and empires and the archaeological record. and I especially don't understand the question about rewriting the future ? nor how that, leads to depression ? Is it ? I live among ( the remains of ) societies that NEVER practiced nor head of such a thing ..... until white men turned up . They are some of the oldest ancient longest running societies on the planet Are you proselytizing now ? I'll see you and raise you a Buddhist enlightenment . Context ! It helps to look at the context and what the discussion is actually about . Which is what we already went through above . Okay. I have a joke about this little diversion of the subject matter into this stream about the psalm and righteous judging and being judged I'll seal it in case some don't want to see it .

Morals and magic/k ... people hardly ever consider the two together . In the system I studied and practiced , one could not avoid the link . But I feel its a bit rare nowadays ... bottom line seems to be ' a quick way of getting things ' . I noticed little ethical education in a few neo-pagan systems as well. This might have changed - I haven't done that stuff for a while . I nearly wrote that religion has a high content of linking with morals .... but nowadays it seems involved with 'marketing' as well and big business .... in many cases religion seems to have devolved into the 'high - jacking' of spirituality .

Lois , are you a real person ? Have you been to the tennis lately ? Are you related to 'Mia Zelu ' ?

There is a more direct relationship to other sources with the Psalms . Just like your thread shows us an origin for the Noah story , many psalms can be compared with the original Egyptian . Some psalms were said to be sung in Solomon's court or palace ( I am not sure if there was singing in the temple ? ) , it was part of the Egyptian rituals that these parts of the scripture seems to be drawn from ; Harpist with percussion back up . The word appearing in Psalms - 'Selah' - is interesting to look up . Comparisons with psalms and Egyptian hymns ; https://www.thetorah.com/article/psalm-104-and-its-parallels-in-pharaoh-akhenatens-hymn Papyrus rolls found in Tell el-Amarna revealed the full texts of more than a psalm of the Book of Psalms written in ancient hieroglyphs, and which preceded the Psalms of David written in Hebrew since more than 300 years. Together with historians from Berlin Museum, Egyptian Egyptologist, Selim Hassan, found three pages of Akhenaten's “The Great Hymn to the Aten” written to the sun-disk deity Aten, which were perfectly identical to those of the Books of the Torah, in spite of preceding the Psalms of David by more than seven centuries. They were inscribed on a right-side wall in Ay’s tomb at Tell el-Amarna, on 13 vertical columns at the entrance to the tomb. https://www.egyptiangeographic.com/en/news/show/332

You are not wrong , that's part of it . In some cases I would like ANY valid response ...... but I need not explain it all as you seem perceptive Fallacy ... good word choice ; Don't miss from 5:10 onwards ! ( that will get you grounded ) .

Careful .... I made a suggestion 100 times more mellow than that and someone wet their pants about it ! - and it wasn't even a supposition , I just asked what was wrong with the idea of warning people ( without hurting them ) that were responsible for death of people and children, starting wars , overthrowing countries with a validly elected government and destroying other peoples environments by blowing the material possessions up . But you might be safe ... its probably just a private hate campaign against me . . . or my hard hitting logical and rational observations ?

I got $300 off a camper van rental once as I was told by counter girl I could get it if I wrote a good review on the after use sheet and named the her specifically . " Just tick all the boxes and give me a 10 " Okay But the sheet was crazy , so many questions and each one asked who I interacted with , and their name and it even asked me each time WHY I gave the score I did . So I wrote, ' Because I promised Jan I would as she offered me $300 off if I gave her 10 out of 10 for each question . '

Which brings me to this story about someone posting a real review it gets 'stranger ' It wasn't a bad review just .... " Mhe , not that impressive , it was ok ." Only to see later that on their bank statement they had the charge for the stay then days later another $150 charged . They rang the place up and what the hell is item 24 ? Answer ' A Bad review fee ! " ( They got the money back . )