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and here is the other STUPID thing , you guys . The OP put up a concept from the NT about how to treat wives and asked if there was anything similar in the religious traditions he cited . I gave him an answer ...... about similar traditions ( the proper way to treat wives ) in those other religions . Then it was asked ' what about their bad practices ?! ... that was never mentioned ! Did the OP outline bad practices and ask if other religions did them ? No he didn't ! But the OP question was not about dissimilar practices was it ? NO ! IT was about similar practices about treating women respectfully . Which I outlined . So why would I (or even AI ) mention those feet binding practices . That was not the question asked of AI and it was not the question asked of us as posters . And then all this stuff about AI being inaccurate ! You guys ! And of course I knew what the Busddhist claim about that would be ! Its rather obvious to anyone that already knows the teaching , same for Hinduism and Confucianism . Now, if the OP had highlighted the near by passages from the NT where it tells women to keep quiet in church and know their place , and then asked if the eastern religions had similar or oppressive teachings or culture in regard to women ,... then of course the answer would be different and practices that did not respect women would have been compared . I 'wonder about' some of you people .

IN a way that's pretty funny ..... anyone here can look at my posts in my PP and elsewhere and decide if I am doing that . I mean you and your support crew might not be able to , but any clear and unbiased person would be able to . but it did remind me of my youth , when I did a training course to be able to work on the railways . There were many migrants in the course , some with 'lower' English skills . At the end we had an exam . After that the teacher gave us the results ; " Katroupie ! " " Yes Sir ! " " Your exam ! You copied it exactly from the person next to you ! " "Yes Sir ! " " Do you know how I knew that ? ... You even copied his name at the top of the page ! " "Yes Sir ! " " And you openly and happily admit that ! ... Come to think of it , during the whole course , you have been sitting up the back with your two mates there talking to each other .... Katroupie ... can you even speak English ? " " Yes Sir ! " " No you cant ! You have been sitting here for 6 weeks , getting paid , with your mates sometimes interpreting for you , going 'Yes Sir , Yes Sir .' every time I ask you a question ." " Yes Sir ! " " I will have to fail you ." " Yes Sir ! " ( but he had already been paid for 6 weeks )

I have already explained to you what I do Why do you feel the need to change things in order to make a criticism of me ?

You are also dismissing my patient explanations out of hand as well . AS I said , I found it sometimes a handy pre written cut and paste option for material I already know is right and if I don't I check the references embedded within it , Also although you agreed with me that yes there is an AI response ..... that YOU dismiss out of hand as unreliable , you don't even bother to check any research on it . If you are automatically denying an AI response without checking on it , you are a bigger 'AI hater ' than I am !

On no .... apparently I do bother with AI now . I am looking up stuff and believing what AI tells me without a doubt ! I don't need references , I don't need my past 40 years study any more , I don't even need my own brain ! Just ask some new posters here ... they know all about me !

I have said this before ; I often already have done the research previously ( I do 'know stuff' without looking up AI , in case you never noticed ) and AI supplies a handy pre written cut and paste . . . and if you didn't know , the little upper case numbers that can appear in an AI quote ARE the references Ooooooh ! Hang on ... do you make posts here using your mobile phone ? That could be (one of ) your problems . Another problem can be trying to debate with people that know their stuff when you are using your mobile phone while sitting at the bus stop waiting for a bus to take you to work , or on the train ..... or maybe even AT WORK . If I put something into Google search , on my lap top , the first answer is often an AI summary , at the end of that summary is an icon you can click on and a quick list of references of various sites on the internet comes up on the right hand side of the page to indicate the sources and references that the AI summary came from , these can be quickly checked and have their own summary and location reference . So it appears some people here do not understand how AI can be used properly . Its an indexing tool , it isn't supposed to replace your own intelligence ! And what makes this is even more silly is you yourself recently posted about the many problems with AI and I liked and supported those comments . Dude ...... I think you have some issue or bias that are clouding or masking your perceptions !

Well, of course I know that and I did qualify what I said and it wasn't about EVERYONE using AI when they post here , was it ? WELL ??? ...... was it ??? No I didn't say you all use it to create posts here , IF you could manage to actually read what I write down instead of finding a word or two and chucking a little tantie' about it you might realize I am actually right ; " Here's some good news – in most cases, you don't need to do anything special to enable AI on your phone. It's typically built into the core of your device's operating system and various apps, working silently in the background to enhance your experience from the moment you start using your phone. However, while AI is generally always on, there are often ways to customise or fine-tune AI features to better suit your preferences. Here are a few tips: Virtual assistants: Features like Siri (for iPhones), Google Assistant (for Android), or Bixby (for Samsung) are prime examples of AI on your phone. To get the most out of these, make sure they're set up and activated. You can usually do this in your phone's settings. Camera AI: Many phones have AI features in their camera apps. These are typically on by default, but you might find toggles for things like "AI scene recognition" or "AI beautification" in your camera settings. Keyboard predictions: Your phone's keyboard likely uses AI to predict your next words. This is usually on by default, but you can often customise it in your keyboard settings. System optimisations: Many phones use AI to optimise performance and battery life. These features are typically always running, but you might find some controls in your battery or device care settings. Face or voice recognition: If your phone has face unlock or voice recognition features, you'll need to set these up manually, usually during the initial phone setup or later in your security settings. App-specific AI: Many apps, particularly those for photo editing or fitness tracking, have their own AI features. You might need to enable these within the individual apps. https://www.optus.com.au/connected/tech/what-is-ai-in-phones#:~:text=Camera AI%3A Many phones have,to predict your next words.

Coby ! You are an excessive editor and delete person ! You write things, one responds to it , then you go back and edit out the significant bit of your post that the response related to . Is this deliberate or is there some other reason going on here . No its not me having a go at you , it just happens .... I also note you even edit out your posts in welcome forum ? maybe write your post , count to ten, do something different , then read it back to yourself before posting .

Well, you should have put me on ignore ages ago as it isn't the case that "now I use AI " , always had since its inception . Of course I 'use' AI ... we all do .... haven't you got a phone ? I think this is more of a case of me contradicting your own personal opinion on something without reference ( which you indicated ) and me checking it and finding alternative info . And I know there is an element here that doesn't like people doing that , they want to be able to express their opinions regardless . Well, so do I and my opinion here is ; that practice did not relate to Buddhism ( as your butchered quoting of what I wrote suggested ) but to Confucianism .. that was my opinion Coby, just like YOU had an opinion ... and THEN I decided to check my opinion . AI gives a quick answer ... but that is not the end of it . Or are you assuming I give AI automatic validity and do not follow up where it got its references from ? Anyway, all this is on the tail end of some type of anger or frustration you rightly have about female oppression historically in Asia , I don't need to check my opinion with AI on that one ! If you want to feel better , switch your geographical focus ; Women in ancient Persia were not only highly respected but, in many cases, considered the equals of males. Women could own land, conduct business, received equal pay, could travel freely on their own, and in the case of royal women, hold their own council meetings on policy. Titles of respect accorded to royal Persian women seem to have derived from the earlier Elamite culture and, most likely, the Median Empire which was the immediate precursor to the Achaemenid Persian Empire (c. 550-330 BCE) founded by Cyrus the Great (r. c. 550-530 BCE). Cyrus established the Persian paradigm of freedom of religion and expression in his empire but was also responsible for maintaining the dignity and autonomy of women of every class. Pregnant women received higher wages as did new mothers for the first month after the birth of their child. Women labored alongside men in the workforce and were often supervisors and managers. Highly-paid female supervisors were known as arashshara (“great chief”) and received a larger amount of wine and grain for overseeing the work of often large groups of subordinates. There was no difference in pay based on gender; one's salary was based solely on one's level of skill and experience in the job. Pregnant women, however, received higher wages as did new mothers for the first month after the birth of their child. The mother, midwife, and physician attending the birth also received a bonus if the child was male. Sons were preferred over daughters but there is no evidence of female infanticide or the practice of exposing an unwanted infant to the elements. Slaves in the Achaemenid Period – and throughout the history of ancient Persia – were treated like servants, received compensation for their services, and had a much higher standard of living and quality of life than slaves anywhere else in the ancient world. Under the laws initiated by Darius I, slaves could not be mistreated, beaten, or killed with impunity and a slave-owner or master of an estate who did so would face the same penalty as if the victim were a free citizen of the empire . https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1492/women-in-ancient-persia/ and if one asked AI about it , you would get responses that you can look up the references to and some will lead you right back to here .

I had not realized it was a Buddhist practice ? I thought it related more to Confucianism ? I better check .... Role of Confucianism During the Song dynasty, the status of women declined.[44] A common argument is that it was the result of the revival of Confucianism as neo-Confucianism and that, in addition to promoting the seclusion of women and the cult of widow chastity, it also contributed to the development of foot binding.[126] Some Confucian moralists in fact disapproved of the erotic associations of foot binding, and unbound women were also praised.[130] The Neo-Confucian Cheng Yi was said to be against foot binding and his family and descendants did not bind their feet.[131][132] Modern Confucian scholars such as Tu Weiming also dispute any causal link between neo-Confucianism and foot binding,[133] as Confucian doctrine prohibits mutilation of the body as people should not "injure even the hair and skin of the body received from mother and father" ... and so on . Foot binding in China was a cultural practice, not directly linked to Buddhism, I don't need to . I am well aware of our human history of assuming sexual inequality . Here I am merely offering some views , as the OP asked for them . ( IE, views within those religions, not my views on them ) . Not a single thing ? Nothing ? Zilch ? Absolutely devoid ? WOW ! ... extreme . Indeed I have .

It might be 'everyone's ' journey . Life started out much simpler ; If that is a single celled organism ..... what are the hairs and tail made put of ? .

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Don't worry , I will complify it for you here we have a typical modern referential association .... it indicates how now an 'information search ' works , much like the deranged modern brain . One looks up or mentions to another the " force is above all force, for it vanquishes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid thing.' either to learn or know about ancient wisdom and hermetics , viewed by Isaac Newton of all people ..... and whaddya get ? Friggin Jedi

You don't get to decide what we choose to discuss . And considering some of the things you yourself have written since arriving - it is rather the hypocritical statement !

I have witnessed ( and tried to help in the recovery ) of a woman , who had a 'psychiatric disturbance' ' - she would smoke some strong weed occasionally and that could make things a little different . Then she went to an Osho awareness retreat thingo ... and came back a fractured disturbed mess ... it happened during the retreat and they asked her to leave , with no support or back up for what had been 'released' . And what about the Naga Sadhus ? That is a 'not valid' spiritual tradition ?

The human experience across time and location does not support that one bit !

No , because they never had to address the issue of a Chritian church in a strong pagan community with strong women integrating into a sexist society Of course, the view will change with the underlying philosophy ; Complementary Opposites: Daoism sees the relationship between husband and wife as a dynamic interplay of yin and yang, not as a hierarchy or competition. Equality and Respect: Neither the husband nor the wife is seen as superior or inferior. Both are valued for their unique contributions to the relationship and their individual growth. Natural Harmony: The goal is to live in harmony with the natural flow of life, allowing the relationship to evolve and adapt without rigid expectations or attempts to control. Individual Growth: Daoism encourages both partners to pursue their own paths and cultivate their individual strengths, while supporting each other's journey. Love and Compassion: Genuine love involves understanding and accepting the other person's needs, even when they differ from one's own, and offering kindness and thoughtfulness. Flexible and Expansive Energy: The relationship should allow for individual expression, learning, and growth, without negative feedback or restrictions. .............. In Hinduism, the relationship between husband and wife is deeply rooted in religious and social ideals, emphasizing mutual respect, fidelity, and spiritual partnership. The wife is considered a 'dharma patni', a partner in performing religious duties, and a 'shadharmini', sharing in the husband's life and goals. The husband is seen as a protector and provider, responsible for his wife's well-being and spiritual growth. .......................... In Buddhism, the relationship between husband and wife is based on mutual respect, love, and faithfulness. The teachings emphasize the importance of treating each other with honor, not belittling one another, and sharing responsibilities. A good relationship also involves understanding, compassion, and working together towards common goals ...................In Confucianism, the relationship between husband and wife is viewed as a partnership based on mutual respect and defined roles. The husband is considered the head of the household, while the wife is expected to support and assist him. This relationship is ideally characterized by harmony, balance, and a degree of deference from the wife to the husband. However, this deference is not intended to imply subservience or a lack of respect for the wife's opinions and feelings

' The Real Wives of Ephesus County ' coming soon on ...... There was a very individual dynamic going on there with women so they needed to be 'handled differently ' ; on the one hand ' they needed to be acknowledged and supported as they were smart and intelligent , on the other hand they needed to be 'settled down' because of this . In Ephesus during Paul's time, women played varied roles, including engaging in religious practices and contributing to household economies. Some women were involved in the cult of Artemis, the city's patron goddess, particularly during childbirth. Others, like Priscilla, were active in the early Christian community, even working alongside their husbands in ministry. Additionally, some women in Ephesus were engaged in trade and craftsmanship, contributing to the city's economic life. " should be understood against the cultural background of prominent, powerful women." https://margmowczko.com/the-prominence-of-women-in-the-cultic-life-of-ephesus/ he wasn't directly addressing dynamics as Ephesus

A stranger thing someone from Holland sent ( they say in the original language , it rhymes ) A 'Christmas Song ' about rabbit for Christmas dinner ... I have to say I was NOT expecting the content . 'Flappie' It was Christmas morning 1961I still remember it so well, my rabbit's cage was emptyAnd mother said that I wasn't allowed in the shedAnd if I'd play sweetly, I would get some goodiesShe had no clue either where Flappie could beShe would ask daddy, but because he was busyIn that bike shed, I should look for Flappie for another hourHe must certainly be somewhere on the grassBut I did lock the cage securilyLike I did every eveningI even went back last nightI don't even know why I did thatI had stood in front of the cage for a long whileAs if I knew then what I know nowIt was the first day of Christmas 1961We were searching for Flappie, and dad just searched alongNear the trees and the water, but not in that bike shed'Because he couldn't be in there?' And I shook 'no'We searched together, together until it was time for coffeeThe family having coffee, but I didn't want anythingI was thinking of Flappie and how cold and freezing it could be at nightMy head hung down quietly, crying fat tears of sorrow Because I did lock the cage securilyLike I did every eveningI even went back last nightI don't even know why I did thatI had stood in front of the cage for a long whileAs if I knew then what I know nowIt was the first day of Christmas 1961Dinner was noisy, but it didn't bother me muchI was thinking of Flappie, my own little FlappieWhere could he be? I couldn't eat a biteWhen after the soup the main course'd arriveMy dad said extremely funny: "Look Youp, here is Flappie!"I still see that silver tray and there he was in three piecesFor the first time I saw my dad as a horrible man!And I went to bed shrieking and poundingFirst spend an hour crying on the coversStood cursing at the top of the stairs one last timeAnd screamed: "Flappie was mine!"Stood in front of the window for a very long whileBut the cage just stood there forlornIt was the second day of Christmas 1961Mother still remembers it so well, dad's bed was emptyAnd I said that she wasn't allowed in the shedAnd if she'd play sweetly, she would get some goodies

Maybe he had too much 'diorthomethodioxide ' . ? ( maybe you removed him due to his excessive beliefs (and practices ) about Shivambu - and I do mean EXCESSIVE . Tide washes best ? ... are you sure about that ? ) .

Tis true without lying, certain and most true. That which is below is like that which is above and that which is above is like that which is below to do the miracle of one only thing. And as all things have been and arose from one by the mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation. The Sun is its father, the moon its mother, the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth is its nurse. The father of all perfection in the whole world is here. Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth. Separate thou the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross sweetly with great industry. It ascends from the earth to the heaven and again it descends to the earth and receives the force of things superior and inferior. By this means you shall have the glory of the whole world and thereby all obscurity shall fly from you. Its force is above all force, for it vanquishes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid thing. So was the world created. From this are and do come admirable adaptations where of the means is here in this. Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world. That which I have said of the operation of the Sun is accomplished and ended. — English translation of the Emerald Tablet by Isaac Newton.[12]

I could be .... it all depends on certain things The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines agency as “ the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power; a person or thing through which power is exerted or an end is achieved ”. Some archeologists agree that objects are imbued with agency, or at least an ability to evoke some sort of change or response in individual humans or in an entire society, by the very humans who create them. However, each scholar also possesses an individual interpretation of the meaning of agency and the true capacity of material objects to have personalities of their own. Ian Hodder, in “The ‘Social’ in Archaeological Theory: An Historical and Contemporary Perspective,” explains that humans are intentional in their creation of objects. Therefore, a person’s creation of an object automatically imbues that object with a certain purpose that its creation aims to fulfill. People use the material objects they produce, whether intentionally or unintentionally, to manipulate their worlds. Hodder cites Giddens, who asserted the point that “subordinate groups use material culture to counteract dominant forms of discourse” (Hodder, 32). Literally speaking, humans construct objects, from amulets, to walls around their cities, to literally and purposefully influence society. People intentionally give these objects an agenda, and, in turn, imbue them with an agency of their own. Christopher Tilley, in “Ethnography and Material Culture,” states that the meaning of an object is born when that object is used towards a purpose by a group. “Meaning is created out of situated, contextualized social action which is in continuous dialectical relationship with generative rule-based structures forming both a medium for and an outcome of action” (Tilley, 260.) An object gains agency, therefore, when it is used for a specific means by a human. Janet Hoskins, in “Agency, Biography and Objects,” cites Laura Ahern’s understanding that “agency is ‘the socio-culturally mediated capacity to act’ and is deliberately not restricted to persons, and may include spirits, machines, signs, and collective entities” (Hoskins, 74.) Objects, she also states, are made to act upon the world and on other persons; otherwise, they would not be created. Therefore, objects do indeed possess an innate agency given to them by humans that allows them to affect change (Hoskins, 75). Hoskins also sites Gell, who felt that “things have agency because they produce effects, because they make us feel happy, angry, fearful, or lustful. They have an impact, and we as artists produce them as ways of distributing elements of our own efficacy in the form of things” (Hoskins 76.) Therefore, to possess true agency, an object must make some sort of real impact on the mental or physical states of humans. Carl Knappett, however, argues that objects cannot have agency on their own, in his “Animacy, Agency, and Personhood.” “If an artifact holds any kind of psychological presence, it is only a secondary effect of its connection with human protagonists, the ‘real’ and primary agents” (Knappett, 29.) He asserts that objects cannot have true agency, because they are not alive, whereas, when imbued by humans with a purpose, an object may act in a manner similar to that of an agent. In interesting case study to consider would be that of the calculator. When introduced on a wide scale at a reasonable price to the public in the 1970’s, the calculator revolutionized the office world; people suddenly were able to compute larger sums with greater speed than ever before. Humans imbued calculators with agency because they depended upon the devices for tasks concerning earning their livelihoods. A calculator fulfills Hodder’s description of an object with agency, because humans use it for a specific purpose that few other machines can fulfill, thereby giving the calculator a certain amount of power. Tilley’s definition, as well, applies to the calculator, because many people use the machines in specific situations, thereby labeling the calculator as a necessary tool of society. Calculators, when first invented, served a purpose unique only to them; it was not until the advent of other machines, such as the computer, that the prominence of the calculator ebbed. However, the calculator still holds a certain amount of agency, because many humans, from school children, to businessmen, are dependent daily upon the device. Agency, therefore, fluctuates in meaning for individual archaeologists and scholars of material culture. All agree, however, that objects and their subsequent actions and legacies are dependent upon human interaction and societal intentions. Humans do, indeed, instill objects with a certain purpose; whether or not this purpose and ability can be called true agency depends, ultimately, on an individual’s perception of the state of materiality in the world.

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But 'Did it do it for you ?'

I wanna complify honeycomb . note the interior of some cells is round, not hexagonal . My bee 'expert' friend put on a workshop . people were 'amazed' and came out of it going " You know how bees make honeycomb ? They tune into the 'sacred geometry ! " How ? Well, no one knew . They also didn't know that snails , star fish and vertebrates and us ... all tune into the 'sacred geometry ' . But do bees actually do that ? Regardless of the issue that no one actually knows what that means First bees wax , its a little like clay in that it is malleable , sets and will get soft as temperature rises . One of the first lessons in sculpture , using clay , is ( well, was , for me ) " Use the lump of clay in front of you to make something as high as you can ." That was interesting , the results is something like a tree with large buttress roots . The minimal number of buttresses is three , two ain't stable in both lateral directions . Three is the minimal number of 'stable directions' . So bees start off by exuding a little blob of wax , then put blobs of wax around it on three sides , then one on top , to get height , and so on , building up the 'point' ( first blob ) to a height and the three side bits gradually going out and up , support the height . They are making tetrapods ... you might have seen them in use to mitigate sea erosion bees are not so much 'using sacred geometry ' but ' being practical ' and 'doing what works ' . So little bee makes a tetrapod ( e - below ) , then makes another next to it so that one of the 'pods' of one tetrapod touches and joins to the leg of the next ( f) . Then other bee/s make the same 'line' parallel to that to form the other side of the hexagons . That's the base , then they build up / out to make the cells . But then ...... other bees come into the cells called warmer bees as it was thought they heated each cell up causing it to go 'plastic' , yet no rise in temperature is detected ( ??? ) . That's when the real hexagons form ( and not really on any inner or outer surface , the actual hexagon is the imaginary line equidistant to all surfaces Its a natural 'flow process' , meaning ; You can get a bunch of round plastic straws and bunch them together and gently heat until just above melting point and they will flow together and form hexagons . then these bees do other sculptural a work and ... we don't know why - they will move wax around , put it here and there , take wax from one cell and move it to another ..... but I won't go there as I don't want to complicate things Damn picture didn't take ... hang on .... Doh ! you can see it here ; https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Honeycomb-construction-Actual-structures-made-of-beeswax-on-a-wood-ceiling-a-d-and_fig1_328505897