Nungali

Sure it is ! ... in the context of what was quoted .

Ohhh a self appointed moderator now ? Don't tell people on the forum they are smart enough to understand

Well, for a start I don't just put up a banner saying 'suffering ' and crowd anyone under it that might think they are suffering as all having the same issue and needing the same treatment . And it should have been clear what type I was referring to as I already explained that . When I worked in the refugee relocation program its a complex process involving government administration, re integration , housing, counselling , psychology . One might bring them into their own house ( well back when I did you were allowed to . now they lock them and the kids up behind razor wire .... the 'Villawood Immigration Center ' I used to get able to go to and take people out for the day is now called 'The Villawood Detention Center ' ) Haley suffers a LOT I know she does ... sure, she looks happy and a bit feral hippy , sitting on the concrete busking with her guitar and her surprisingly good voice . But half her shoulder is missing , its a hollow with a mass of scars , ( train surfing accident ) and she has drug and alcohol problems , homelessness , etc etc . In this case , I might sit on the ground with her , I might give her some money . Once when I had no money myself I Gave her half a sandwich I was eating . I worked in a hospital for 10 years , the same , it depends on the person .... maybe I held their head still and reassured them while the doctor drilled a hole in their skull when we were trapped in a lift ; https://litfl.com/emergency-procedure-craniostomy/ Or maybe I devoted some spare time to take Mr Carpenter out into the solarium and listen to him chat about his past . . . just before he died , virtually 'in my arms ' . I have seen PLENTY of people create their own suffering . I have also seen people by the power of their mind and spirit transcend suffering . I also see a whole lot of privileged white western people complaining about their 'existential suffering ' .... OH I am having trouble getting by ... the price rises ... the stress ! Then they get in their car and drive home to their house . Now, that different personal type of suffering , of 'existential angst ' ... that type of 'general malaise ' most seem to suffer in the modern mind . You should by now know what 'spiritual remedies ' I advocate and what my 'path' teaches and shows on this . I continually write about it ! Everything form the purpose of practicing Magick, the concept of the True Will / Khvarenah , tied in with an holistically developed psyche with the principles that generate eudamonia ( virtually the reverse of suffering ) , like having a tutelary spirit and a whole range of other things connected to it . And again, it should have been clear what I was talking about . Good LORD ! Do people actually realize what is going on in the world at the moment ? You know what I am talking about - even though I am not supposed to talk about it . Do you really think those peoples suffering can be alleviated by them changing their attitude towards it ? Just think for a moment ... you are running towards the food distribution point, though the ruins, hoping to get food for your starving children , but you get shot in the leg instead .... if only you had a different attitude about things ! I'd suggest anyone that thinks that needs to try it out for themselves and have success first ! I've told this story before and I'll repeat it ; I was involved in a discussion night with Baha'i group , they had elderly visitors (and this was some time back ) that the group was hopeful that they might be interested . The couple asked about why do we need to suffer and what can be done about it . There were all sorts of typically religious philosophical answers that just seemed to frustrate this couple . I detected something deeper going on . o I asked them if why thought they had suffered badly , really badly and if that was what was behind their question and seeming dissatisfaction at the 'standard answers ' ( which includes the ones offered here too ) . They became solemn , she looked at him and he nodded and she pulled up her long sleeve and showed us the concentration camps number tattooed on her inner wrist . Well, that shut them up ... and gave them a chance to think about things a bit more 'deeply' .

Try explaining that to refugees that are ex torture victims when you are working with them trying to help them recover . Tell that Iranian woman I knew that had a little bit of muscle and flesh cut out each day that it was not a false and evil belief , then a regime then certain people that did that to her .... she just needed to " drop the recursive mind and realizing that IT is actually the source of "problems". I think you are smart enough Sterling to know the difference and know what I am talking about .

The difference is , I backed up what I said with some detail . Instead of just parroting with a quippy response .

Mmmmm ..... its a good time to have fires though . I set off a huge bamboo pile yesterday ... that is always enjoyable ! - there was some talk of having a solstice fire tonight .... but I think its just talk . Anyway, I already had mine .

or to change the circumstances which externally generated it , for some . I suppose their view is to not allow suffering to exist for an eternity ? Unless there is some philosophy ( Ohhhh , I don't know, some misunderstanding or wrong allocation regarding the principles of karma or something like that ? ) that says if people have long time suffering due to an external source like oppression , it just that they 'chose to hang on to it ' . Again, such 'choices' seem related to 'privilege class suffering ' .

sorry doc ... when I said "you" it was a collective 'you' and I didn't mean you personally so I should have been more mindful in what I wrote under a quoted post from you . Actually, I think you understand my approach * better than most * see above post .

You see Cobie ... sometimes people just NEED to burst out here . and no, I didn't you report you for it . .... but I won't feed 'IT' either . Instead : Good idea if you are not coping , go and do something else that gives you joy ... keep well . ( see .... no need to keep up the political banter , but we can still acknowledge one's issues and try to help with that . )

Ahhh ... a hint about what 'restricted account ' could mean . Did you get 'unrestricted ' or is this still part of your restriction ? ( Damn ! I wanted to find and post an image of a guy being boa constricted by a HUGE boa and only one arm out and typing on a keyboard ... no luck , you will have to visualize it )

C'est la vie . There is now TWO elephants in the room . Dedicated spiritual practitioners ? Like I said earlier .... ever been in a monastery ? Was there a political element and infighting ? If there was not , or even if it had a leader with no faults , please tell me where it is ! THAT IS human nature . All we can do is address the problem . have you read this ?

Jeeeze ! and I only compared him to an old and cantankerous person ! Maybe you can tell me what 'account restricted ' means .. without the modern 'evasive speech ' form ? I sent him a PM but I have no idea if he can access it . I checked his posting record and there are no posts , either cut out or doesn't want to ? If one gets 'account restricted' and not 'banned ' or 'suspended ' ... what functions can they use here that are not restricted .... or has everything been 'restricted' for him ? That cant be too painfully to answer can it ?

But is it 'privileged class ' anger ? Or the anger of what some suffer so we can have a privileged class ?

On the second part .... I was intrigued by 'Electric Sekhmet' s name . They have been notified of my existence by Cobie already . But now I tend not to get too involved with new people unless they seek me out and/ or respond to me in some way ... unless they write something really interesting . Lately there have been people joining up and declaring all sorts of interests and intents, one responds ( or other members do ) ... and that's all one ever hears from them again . ( ... unless they get suddenly ' deported ' or something ? )

I'm a bit confused as why you ask this under the quote from me that you quoted . The better question might be the other way around ; where in magic is the Tao Te Ching and method of Daoism practiced . With a bit of contemplation on what I wrote above one might realize that Daoism has a certain way of approaching things .... and that is all through the TTC ... its an attitude of magic that is similar to the attitude in Daoism that makes that school or view of Magick the way it is , as I described above . It isn't a school of western Magick that is taken from the TTC ... if that is what you thought I meant . I wonder what AI says about AI Overview The Tao Te Ching doesn't focus on magic in the sense of supernatural abilities or rituals. Instead, it emphasizes the inherent power and mystery of the Tao, which can be understood as a natural, underlying principle or force governing the universe. The "magic" lies in aligning oneself with this force through practices like non-action (wu wei) and understanding the interconnectedness of all things. Oh ... AI sorta says what I did . That last phrase is interesting ; " understanding the interconnectedness of all things " what many people do not understand ( and what makes modern Magick seem rubbish ) is the all important issue of the 'medium of transference ' ; in earlier times the common cosmology allowed it . Later as cosmology developed ( heliocentric plus other discoveries ) that fell apart , now offering no commonly observable transference medium and resulting in a modern magical "just because '' or '' because I say so '' cause and effect in magic . (Edit ; see below ) .

I don't know what 'recovery' this helps with but in my experience there are types of anger way beyond this and it lasts ... as the cause is constant . The 'gasoline' comes from an external source . Even so, people get tired and beat down by being angry and some eventually give up and just 'stay alive' bearing their situation , or try to live it out via 'numbness' , they often have no choice . While some use their anger to implement change ;

Go further . If they are 'just an absence of emotion ' then they could be a 'natural state ' . If we are removed from our natural state by interfering with its base and causes , and that continues long enough then this new state is considered the norm . Eudamonia is 'generated' as a natural state ( some claim ) by certain factors , which should be in place , naturally , and we should be able to utilize those factors , not to be 'mindless' of them . If so the reverse must be true , but from my own biased perspective ..... any absence of pain I get is a 'distinct pleasure ' . I remember one day , a loooong time ago , I felt so good ! It took me some time to put my finger on it ..... I had no physical pain whatsoever in any part of my body . Wow ! Some people must feel like this all the time ! I see desire as different again , and I think it would be both of the above . Now I find things getting a bit obscure . Love is an emotion , or maybe it is a natural state , as I said above for bliss / joy . I don't see how love can be also the fear of losing love . Love can be an undefined state of 'being in love' ... with everything . A dissolving of yourself into perceived differences . However love can trigger other things which generate the fear of loving it . I think that is an 'intrusion' and not generated by love itself . For me, any running is painful . however , that is a basic drive isn't it ; from / towards ; the fight or flight syndrome Ahhh , that is not a question .... so now its my turn ; and what do you observe happens then ?

What its like when you are ' freezing cold ' in Australia ..... I wish I had worn a jumper to the beach . In any case its about to 'turn' ... good ! That sun gets any lower , it will be touching the top of the waterfall !

Obviously . What you conflate and consider is one thing . I was referring to a common conflating and understanding that apparently you had never heard of . Perhaps you have not heard of the 'Yellow School' of Magick either ? Its a form that seems like its underlying principles are similar to Daoism ... that is , it seems to make changes by utilizing the inherent properties of a thing and natural laws , it s ' mercurial branch' of Magick, in that, to seek to make change using natural laws and abilities , one needs to develop a knowledge and understanding of what those laws and abilities are and what their limits are . Its in opposition to 'non mercurial' Magick - where people try to make change according to a whim, fantasy , 'force of will power' , illusion , etc .

No ? You should expand your sources on the subject then . A VERY basic and well known one is " Magic is just undiscovered science ' . But you may have never heard of that before either ? They were also examples regarding the contextual point Cobie made about 'control' and 'surrender' - I made it simple for people that might have trouble with more complex examples ... but it seems , even at this level, its causing 'complexity' problems . Magic / simple mechanical devices .... That depends on the state of the observer ; 'undiscovered science ' to them , seems magic . Let's 'amp up' the complexity then - an electrical generator and what it can produce . You would have to get the basics of magnetism down first . There is a good video out about it by the world's leading expert ... he starts off ; " Magnetism , what is it ? We don't really know .... " and that is supposed to indicate ...... ?

Oh you will be safe ... because you are liked . Old3bob ? Old and cantankerous ... extremely out of fashion ! - with some .

be careful ..... if 'someone' reports you for all that current political agenda stuff up there you might find your 'account restricted ' .

It was ..... until OLDBOB got suspended . . . or restricted .... or ... what is it that you actually did to him ? ...hang on .... 'account restricted ' ... what does that mean ? It reads like SpaceX calling a clear failure and explosion an 'unscheduled emergency disassembly ' . I think any Daobum that cared could have found a different way to relate to him .

and aside from that it outright lies .... and then lies about it when tying to explain why it just lied . It learnt from people , after all It is just used above , as a summary . However I am not ignorant and don't go just looking up AI to get personal views affirmed . I actually have studied it for over 50 years as part of anthropology you seem to protesting in some roundabout way here ..... so here you go : R. A . Wilson - all through his works , eg. “Obviously, under primitive planetary conditions — finite space and finite resources — the illth was perceived as necessary to protect the wealth. Territorial politics are much the same among domesticated primates as among other mammals; the primates are just smarter at building more omni-lethal weapons faster. This was originally a survival trait, an Evolutionary Relative Success, because primates are born without the physiological, inbuilt weaponry (lethal teeth, claws, horns etc.) of other mammals.” ― Robert Anton Wilson, Prometheus Rising other sources ; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32160562/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0169534715002499 https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/center/articles/2012/mother-nature-network-11-04-2012.html https://www.ssoar.info/ssoar/handle/document/45572 https://antigonejournal.com/2021/03/political-animals/ https://www.nokomis.com.au/product/new-books/mammals/primate/chimpanzee-politics-power-and-sex-among-apes/ Its a 'thing ' .... ya know !

The basic premise behind Krishnamurti , Rajneesh / Osho ( as a guru both taught you don't need a guru ) and types of gnosticism ... IE, 'direct gnosis' not requiring a priestly medium between you and God .