Nungali

I was being serious .

This could end up rather confusing though ; Training partner ; " Why did you relase the armbar when I didnt tap out ?" Maddie ; " Because , when we get home ...... she gets cookies ! " Training partner ;

Actually you have hit upon a technique of managing the psyche that I would really like to explore further . But off topic for here .

Mhe . I think she did much better with that very obvious abusing insulting one . This was a walk in the park after that one !

I like that ..... people trying to 'under mind ' you . Thanks, it is now in the Nungali vocabulary

Some seem to have no trouble at all < snicker >

Yes. Thats why ( I think I added in there somewhere ) ' If I feel like it ' - if I choose to . When I choose to it is only under certain conditions . other times, I am , well ......... <see below > ... outrageous , annoying , persistent, harassing .... as a friend once said ; "You where not put here to make life easy . " But for some I am . Eg when I nursed the old and infirm, some wanted to be treated formerly and professionally , I would do that . Others wanted it to be informal and casual , I would do that . I would observe some of the other workers there , regardless of how the patient wanted to be treated they would be treated how the worker felt they should be treated , and sometimes, unfortunately that was disrespectful . I dont do it, for example ; if a liar wants to be believed . So its not an 'across the board' sort of thing .

Have you seen 'Cave of Forgotten Dreams ' by Werner Herzog ? If not, watch it , it will blow you away . You gotta see them pics 'moving' that is , as you walk through the cave and past the images . A still photo just dont do it justice . Also this expands theory and usage of the caves .

During my 'recent' researches I inked two things together , that 'academia' does not seem to realise . One is the latest view on human origins in Australia and the origin of the Aboriginals and some 'mystery' about a third 'Indian ingress ' some 6000 ya. that is now shown to be 'internal' but that view creates the 'mystery' , 'ghost population' ... that spread vast cultural influence then 'the people' { that did this) 'disappeared ' ) - A Genomic History of Aboriginal Australia ' .... article ; https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/unprecedented-study-of-aboriginal-australians-points-to-one-shared-out-of-africa-migration-for . The other is recently revealed 'secret traditional' knowledge that explains this change in culture - 'The Origins of Society in Australia ' , where an 'artistic visionary' was able to have his ideas accepted and spread . This visionary is one of my examples of indigenous ingenuity . My other example (also from the same 'Indigenous Culture ' , ie. 'Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders ' ); The Torres Straights (between Cape York , far NE Oz and PNG ) . The 'link' that academia seems as yet, unaware of ; from the recent genetic paper : " The first significant investigation into the genomics of Aboriginal Australians has uncovered several major findings about early human populations. These include evidence of a single “Out of Africa” migration event, and of a previously unidentified, “ghost-like” population spread which provided a basis for the modern Aboriginal cultural landscape. Evidence that a mysterious dispersal from the northeastern part of Australia roughly 4,000 years ago contributed to the cultural links between Aboriginal groups today. These internal migrants defined the way in which people spoke and thought, but then disappeared from most of the continent, in a manner which the researchers describe as “ghost-like” Finally, the research also offers an intriguing new perspective on how Aboriginal culture itself developed, raising the possibility of a mysterious, internal migration 4,000 years ago. About 90% of Aboriginal communities today speak languages belonging to the “Pama-Nyungan” linguistic family. The study finds that all of these people are descendants of the founding population which diverged from the Papuans 37,000 years ago, then diverged further into genetically isolated communities. This, however, throws up a long-established paradox. Language experts are adamant that Pama-Nyungan languages are much younger, dating back 4,000 years, and coinciding with the appearance of new stone technologies in the archaeological record. Scientists have long puzzled over how – if these communities were completely isolated from each other and the rest of the world – they ended up sharing a language family that is much younger? The traditional answer has been that there was a second migration into Australia 4,000 years ago, by people speaking this language. But the new research finds no evidence of this. Instead, the team uncovered signs of a tiny gene flow, indicating a small population movement from north-east Australia across the continent, potentially at the time the Pama-Nyungan language and new stone tool technologies appeared. These intrepid travellers, who must have braved forbidding environmental barriers, were small in number, but had a significant, sweeping impact on the continent’s culture. Mysteriously, however, the genetic evidence for them then disappears. In short, their influential language and culture survived – but they, as a distinctive group, did not. “It’s a really weird scenario,” Willerslev said. “A few immigrants appear in different villages and communities around Australia. They change the way people speak and think; then they disappear, like ghosts. And people just carry on living in isolation the same way they always have. This may have happened for religious or cultural reasons that we can only speculate about. But in genetic terms, we have never seen anything like it before.” Here is the 'missing link' : http://www.ifrao.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/31-1-Doring.pdf I will cobble together an intro (from me ) then a summary from the paper ; During the Ice Age (or down here 'The Great Drought ' ) times where hard , desertification extensive in the interior and things 'scarce' . Palaeontological human evidence shows more evidence of conflict and warfare . After the end of the Ice Age , when the environment stabilised into new conditions things got much better , Australia became a land of abundance . There was no need for the conflict or the old ways of doing things . How should people relate together now , in a good system of share and care in the abundance ? Enter our artist-visionary , Wibalma , he had an idea and made a 'culture object / teaching aid ' and used it to help explain his ideas . ( What could that object have been , I wonder ... is this early Aboriginal 'sculpture' ? Some thing like a Polynesian stick star map for ocean navigation or what ? We cant see it at this sage . This is all sacred secret knowledge , it is being revealed as the Elders have no proper students / initiates to learn it any more , and any fear of punishments for revealing it have outweighed its survival importance ... as we shall see . When this happens knowledge is then stored in the archives at the central library in Canberra , the nation's capitol . However it gets 'sealed' with limited access according to sex - men and women's 'business ' - , various rights, levels of initiation , etc . What we have here is the 'public access ' sections. ) He sends out a message to tribes across the land and they send representatives to hear him . They like the message and agree to adopt the system , doing a 'sealing ceremony' about that and then spread out. back home . This is the start of the Aboriginal system of ending nomadism and tying people / 'belonging' to areas of country by birthright and relations , the very complex moiety and totemic systems tied in with environmental considerations and other things . Some see the language spread as mysterious , . but I know some indigenous today that speak 5 or 6 languages as well as English , sometimes they prefer one over the the other, depending on what or who is at hand . Its not surprising to me that a language associated with a new teaching would spread like the teaching did . Have a look at the article above ; it shows images including the original site that was made for this meeting , its still there ! Australia's 'Round Table ' ; Figure 4. Aerial view of the stone table at Dududu.ngarri. Top of aerial image is north with a stone arrangement approximately fifty metres across. The Kimberley hosts known as Kamali were tribes with nomadic bird names and remain represented by seventeen named stones encircling the table. All the visiting tribes from the ‘sunrise’ regions to the east, from northern coast to central desert, form two long lines of jallala— signal stones. Stones arranged in circles and positioned west of the table represent coastal tribes and southern tribe To me this fits with the missing influence described in the new genetic paper . The 'ingenuity' here is in the vision and method , as said above , seems to be totally different from that supposed elsewhere . It shows a massive and lasting change sweeping through culture - a few academics have realised is very significant - not via an invading war lord or other forms of war or conflict , climate disaster or change , plague , etc but by the creative vision of an artist and ( most importantly , I feel ) the acceptance of the populace . The other example from Torres Straight Islands ( I posted on this previously ( ^ it contains cool vid of Malo ceremony ) The islands consist of 8 outer islands and one large inner one . As time went on the outer islander's eyes turned to the lesser populated and developed inner island . Some sensed potential conflict between the outer islands and the inner island feared invasion . Then enter our visionary , he explains to the clan chiefs ( I am going off the top of my head here and it's my transliteration ) Yes, you are all different clans on different islands with different laws and gods ... and that is good , but we all have one God and that is Malo . Now , you are all very familiar with the octopus , you observe it has eight arms , all these arms are independent and have their own brain but all work in concert with and for the good of the whole animal . The head does not need to interfere with them, except for this greater good . All you groups and islands are the arms of the octopus God Malo , the central island is his head , we are all the octopus . It made sense to them so they worked out how their independence and association worked , what laws applied to all (eg , no war amongst yourselves , come together for defence against outside conflict , laws of trade, etc . ) and what laws where not needed on every island and considered a restriction . These guys invented 'federated ' /state ' system of government (or 'sociocracy' if one prefers ) thousands of years ago ! Its a system still in place and working today . Malo ; ( Man ! I gotta get one of them shark drums ! )

Ummmm ..... that sound you hear when you ask a question and get a lame overused philosophical obscure answer ?

Yeah ..... I should have made TWO lines ; physical ; Female ............................................................................................... Male . and people can be born anywhere along that line . Many seem clustered at either end but few are on the exact end extremities . 'Perceptual' ( add emotions, feeling, 'spirit', whatever ) Feminine ................................................................................................ Masculine same applies . Note ; the points where you are need not be the same on the physical line to the perceptual line . Eg . Some men might be entirely 'masculine' but show vestigial feminine traces in their genitals due to early physical development of genitals .... " The external sex organs – the penis in boys, the clitoris and labia majora in girls – don't start to differ from each other until about 11 weeks. And even then, it takes several more weeks to be able to easily see the difference between boys and girls on an ultrasound. as we know , sometimes this process ' gets confused' and the body can produce any variety of physical combinations or mixtures of those physical organs .

Well, that depends where you got your morals from ; Christian perspective ? No, you are required to see them as you see yourself and treat them as you want yourself to be treated .

Oh wow ... ya GOITTA 'site that one . ( meaning ; reference please )

It wasnt the thing itself I was 'endorsing ' but the persons perception of what their True Will was . I dont support alcoholism , but if that is a persons path ..... <shrug > . I am a Thelemite , so I dont ' Treat others as I want to be treated ' ... my Goodness ! what problems THAT would cause . I aim to treat them as THEY WANT to be treated if I am going to do something like that .... or I might not bother . I know, its probably a weird perspective for most . I said how I gave ........ ten bucks in her street cup . Miss Doo-gooder decided to inform me and everyone else present that ...... is a junkie , dont give her money . Then she went on to delight all of us present in how fantastic she was by buying the woman a healthy balanced lunch instead and giving that too her instead .... you should do that too . Nah ..... she asked for some money, I gave it to her, or I could have decided not to , its up to her what she does with her money . besides , what she gonna do with 2 , 3 or 4 lunches !

Now I am confused again . You seem to be talking about truth as if it has some human type attributes ? Perhaps you are talking about a human's perception of how truth is ?

This thread became very confusing for me .... I have to pay more attention to whats going on . I thought I was reading a post from Silent Thunder but it was from Blue eyed Snake ; I was .... Silent Thunder is like 'Bob' from 'Fight Club ' ? Well, I got that sorted , so now I can return to the world of 'normality ' .

Will he laugh or be offended at that ?

Ah , ya lost me now . Defending something 'devious' ?

They do to me ..... BUT ... two female friends who recently where told they needed one , refused for that very reason . One said the doctor suggested all sorts of benefits no more PM , no more this, no more that . She was very upset with doctor and declared that was what makes her a woman .

I actually agree with that . ' Say something' could be anything and not be offensive at all . Why get offended over 'something' . Saying 'something offensive ' is different ; subjective / objective . I would have to change it a bit though , as I dont expect others to behave as I do , ie make it an 'I statement ' . ' If I am offended about what someone else says , it was ME that got offended .... I could choose not to be offended , or take it in any way I choose .' EG . I might tell a friend they are a dickhead and they might laugh and say " Yeah .... I am sometimes .' The exact same statement ( caused by observation of same behavior ) might cause another (or the same person on a different day ) to be offended, hurt , sad, laugh, take it quietly, fire it back .... would I be responsible for all those different potential reactions or is it the person 'reacting' to them ? - yeah , I know I am off topic as this is not a 'transgender' issue but a general one . . .

I asked the same question to a 'mid-trans' guy in a magic group I was associating with for a bit , his answer was , " Because I needed to experience both in one lifetime ." < shrug > I thought that answer was 'fair enough ' .

Probably not . I doubt there would be any interest in it here aside from two other people .