Nungali

That has been my life's plan .... and I have mostly achieved it . I am grateful for the above image , as, due to this thread;s title , I was thinking ' Oh Gawd .... he isnt going to post a picture of that is he ? !

So ..... Chi Dragon does not go to the desert ?

'' In your dreams .... ''

.... sounds like a lot of people you knew wanted to kill you ......

King karma is tricky when he 'distributes karma ' ; He saw how sexually repressed this man was so he put the idea into the captors heads to supply women to him ... hence the balance is restored !

You need to ask yourself that ... very early on you seemed to be asking me, if your perception that I understood it , was right , and I replied yes . But then you kept trying to find holes in what I was saying and then coming up with a lot of strange and unusual and self conflicting responses . I cite the responses others gave you as this just not being my subjective opinion . it seems an ongoing thing with you Mr. Dragon

You say it yourself here ; 10.道生之，11.德畜之。12.長之育之。13.亭之毒之。14.養之覆之。15.生而不有，16.為而不恃，17.長而不宰。18.是謂玄德。10. Tao engenders it,11. Te rears it.12. Grow it and nourish it,13. Let it grow to maturity,14. To foster it and protect it.15. Engenders it but not possess it.16. For it but not restraining it,17. Raise it but not controlling it,18. It was called divine virtue. Line 15 and 17 explain my viewpoint and I take them as advice on how to act .... not advice about non action . line 15-17 also describe actions and the 'way' to act .

I also said that above . It would be prevented by not having that intention .... and this is one of the reasons why I keep explaining this principle ..... all over the place . Do not interfere with another's True Will .

The answer is the same , no matter how you try to re phrase or pose the question . see my answer above .

Yes, it probably does to some . Although I acknowledge the tragedy involved . You can put it down to my personal experience ; observing the many issues , including suicide , that I have seen result from this type of thing . I am pretty callous about suffering as well ; most of it ... that probably comes from past experience working with refugees and ex- torture victims .

of course . We should not interfere with another's True Will , especially a parent, as the child develops , they should be nurtured spiritually as well as physically, emotionally and mentally . Sometimes it is hard for some to follow their True Will , it might mean breaking away from the family , peers , other's expectations , etc .

Again ... what do you mean ? I can wu wei my water supply by diverting the run off that comes from the rain and following the contour down to my water tank . OR I could be 'un natural' and burn fossil fuel and start a water pump and pump it up hill against gravity . I can control how the rain hits the ground , or me , or stop it doing those things ; in these actions I can apply wu wei ( least interference ) or 'go against the 'nature of things ' and do it the hard way . I can build a roof or put up a sunshade . here we are having a demonstration of why you cant understand what I am saying . I never suggested such 'magical ' or un natural operations in the first place . I am suggesting wu wei is a way of action ... when we need to act . Not non action at all ... which you seem to think it is . Dude ! Thats a bad example . I live in a cabin on the edge of a forest .... I have been slacking off and not cleaning for ages .... and now you ask me about spider webs and if I can stop a spider building a web ? Answer ... I can , I just been slack You are groking things that you yourself are supposing .... but you are not grokking what I am saying . and I venture to suppose .... I am not the only person here having this 'communication problem' with you .

Now you have just wiped out your previous statement . I am actually just taking what you are saying .... and extending those ideas into actions ... but maybe you think any action is against wi wei ? he didnt follow hos own nature then .... the expression of one's true nature , the khvarenah or True Will . But now you have skipped into human affairs , and human affairs involve eating things that were once living . To refuse to do that is against the nature of all life ; to survive .

nah ... when I wee it is completely natural . So... for a human to be in a state of wu wei ...... looks like they can not do anything at all .... even breathing effects nature ... ask a Jain ;

The TTC says that to you ? Well, it is now ! Since you seem to have decided all human 'control' is against nature .

here is the thing about 'nature ' ; I often say, my qualifier , when looking at or adopting a process is ' can I see a similar process in nature ' . BUT that requires a full and extensive understanding of nature in the first place .

really ? Then define 'harm to nature ' Do you eat carrots , bok choy ...... wheat ? ... intentionally ? .

isnt that a self-referential loop though ? In nature animals kill each other all the time . How do you think carnivore animals eat ? Do you think wu wei requires them to become vego ? Sorry, but thats nuts ! The reality is (another self referential loop ) that part of nature is to modify nature . Even as simple as a bird building a nest ; thats a modification . At the other end of the scale , I will give a local example ; people hear often marvel at the indigenous and how they suppose they lived without harming the ecological balance ... well, that was all geared towards human survival ( in the long term ) . It went something like this ; Australia had mega fauna , they ate the low lying scrub and kept the land clear between the trees and forests . people came for the first time , and not knowing what they were , these animals did not flee ; easy hunting . Then the megafauna numbers decreased , causing the 'scrub' to grow and the land hard to navigate and hunt in . So they started burning it , a practice that eventually changed the whole environment , large scale . Now we say the indigenous know how to manage the environment by doing 'slow burns' to mitigate bushfires , and in the past , to make 'unfenced kangaroo farms ' . Which parts were wu wei, and which parts were not ?

No ... because I observe that in nature ( with other animals ) .. ie. it is part of the natural world

Nah ... that process only applies to Chinese

'' Virtue focuses on character traits and excellence (like courage, kindness), aiming for flourishing, while morality is a broader system of right vs. wrong judgments, often rooted in societal or personal rules; morality dictates what is right, whereas virtue is the habitual disposition to be good and act rightly, going beyond mere rule-following to embody moral excellence. Think of morality as the rules, and virtue as the developed character that naturally lives by those rules and strives for higher ideals. '' In ancient Greek, the word for virtue is Areté (ἀρετή), which means "excellence" or the "full realization of potential" in any kind of activity, not just morality; it signifies being the best you can be, whether that's physical prowess, wisdom, or moral goodness, leading to a flourishing life ... '' ... wait for it .... '' (eudaimonia). While it encompasses moral virtue, Areté is a broader concept of functional excellence, describing the peak quality of a person or thing ... '' .

' ... and from many sources we gather and weave all the colored threads to weave a tapestry of our own understanding ' .

The modern English meaning of virtue or the ancient Greek meaning of virtue ?

Well, that makes sense as the sky is always falling but heaven is not .