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#1 TheWhiteRabbit

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 12:55 PM

If a person, a holy person tricks you into taking a vow... What does this mean?

Taking a vow usually is a part of ordination?  Correct?

Would it mean that in a case of being void of extensive training for ordination, that taking the vow would be invalid?

What if on the possible chance, (you see I am careful not to point fingers), that an ordained Buddhist knows specifically that a person could not keep a vow.  What does that mean?

Is someone like that required to refuse such a vow, as it would seem like it would result in bad?

 

Who knows enough about this situation that would be able to answer?


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 01:06 PM

Duress occurs when a person is coerced by "wrongful conduct".

 

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 01:06 PM

I don't have any formal experience with it. There was a time when I was exploring prayers, though. One of them happened to be a consecration of self to a deity. I was more experimenting with the energy of the prayer than actually intending to consecrate myself with it. But when I would go back to it and go over the words, the energy of the words seemed to go deeper and get more powerful.

 

I can't say whether it was considered a formal consecration or not. But when I wanted to explore other religions, I went back to the prayer and the energy of it and requested that I be either released from the obligations that went with the consecration/vow or to be allowed to explore other things (and if I were to violate any aspect of the terms of the consecration/vow, that I be gently made aware of it and corrected). I can't say that I felt anything specifically decisive, but there was a more relaxed sense of things and I have not felt any ill effects.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 02:41 PM

The easy answer is, if you're tricked or under duress then a vow is not binding, ie not done of your free will.

 

On the hand, a holy man may know more then you and the vow though unsavory is for your own good.  So, If you have doubt, I'd have someone you trust, who knows you and the situation be the judge.  If the vow is not horrible, but merely irksome, then even against your better judgement, do it.  It builds character. 


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