Dragons as a symbol - differences in meaning east and west

[Apech]

1 hour ago, S:C said:

Not for a woman, it ain‘t.

Unless she ends up with a man, eh? 
 

It‘s a different challenge for women. Usually it is emotions they have to restrain or overcome, no? 
 

So the figurative dragon is at another place for ‘em, no?

 

There's men and women and there's male and female principles.  

 

A man is not 100% male and a female not 100% female - we are all a balance between 60/40% to 51/49%.

 

So any individual has both male and female principles within which they need to balance, transmute and integrate.

 

The maiden which the knight rescues represents the naked reality of the pure feminine consciousness (voidity) and the knight is the probing male questing consciousness which is seeking out the reality of the feminine.  The dragon is the chaotic forces which obscure and prevent to perfect 'marriage' of the knight and the maiden.

 

 

 

 

[Haribol]

The holy trinity - the knight, the maiden and the penis.

 

edit: sorry, the tamed and well behaved penis*

Edited 19 hours ago by Haribol

[S:C]

4 hours ago, Apech said:

chaotic

sounds rather western and/or buddhist (negative dragon) and quite advanced (consciousness/marriage). is it not rather the ten thousand things that obscure and prevent? poor (female unleashed) scolded dragon, it seems to hide in voiditiy.

1 hour ago, Haribol said:

sorry, the tamed and well behaved penis*

Can’t say that about the emotions men have about theirs. Else we could stay on topic, maybe? 
 

No one here for the eastern perspective on dragons and some positivity? No one to talk about the emotive practice for women? It’s a real men’s club, here, I feel like leaving again.  

Edited 17 hours ago by S:C

[Haribol]

@S:C

apologies, wasn’t my intention to derail the thread. I am unfortunately to ignorant to shed light on your questions, but I’d to like to learn more about it. 

[S:C]

On 9.2.2026 at 12:34 PM, Haribol said:

Material enjoyment means utilizing the intelligence for the sake of rūpa, rasa, gandha, śabda and sparśa, or form, taste, smell, sound and touch.

is that the male aspect of ‘the dragon’? 

where does the Indian tradition (this is sanskrit?) recommend enjoyment of empirical sense data? what is this tradition where that comes from? It seems more earth bound than uhm all this consciousness and marriage and lusty stuff. seems all awfully exhausting anyways. 
 

can you transform unhealthy emotional cycles with the empirical methods of form, taste, smell, sound and touch… ?

 

maybe that is a way from one dragon to another, well and India is sort of in the middle anyways between west and east . Huh

 

Edited 16 hours ago by S:C

[S:C]

oh boy, …

quelle stupidité

though this be madness yet there’s method in it.
 

Edited 16 hours ago by S:C
😏

[Nungali]

9 hours ago, S:C said:

Not for a woman, it ain‘t.

Unless she ends up with a man, eh? 
 

It‘s a different challenge for women. Usually it is emotions they have to restrain or overcome, no? 
 

So the figurative dragon is at another place for ‘em, no?

 

Yes ... she watches the knight run around in circles  wanting her lustfully , going into a psychotic split, denying his natural nature, making it a monster due to his Christian sexual sublimation and then that imprisoning her , while his other part wants to kill his natural desires and save the woman from himself . 

 

The woman , meanwhile is watching rather bored and thinking ; ''Oh.. for God'sake just, just fuck me, won't you  ! '' 

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Haribol said:

The holy trinity - the knight, the maiden and the penis.

 

edit: sorry, the tamed and well behaved penis*

 

 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, S:C said:

 

Can’t say that about the emotions men have about theirs. Else we could stay on topic, maybe? 

 

I was laughing at this bit .   Not at the rest . 

 

Please dont go !   

 

( Thats what men say to women after they have been an idiot to them )

[Haribol]

44 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

I was laughing at this bit .   Not at the rest . 

 

Please dont go !   

 

( Thats what men say to women after they have been an idiot to them )

 

 

[Haribol]

15 hours ago, S:C said:

is that the male aspect of ‘the dragon’? 

where does the Indian tradition (this is sanskrit?) recommend enjoyment of empirical sense data? what is this tradition where that comes from? It seems more earth bound than uhm all this consciousness and marriage and lusty stuff. seems all awfully exhausting anyways. 
 

can you transform unhealthy emotional cycles with the empirical methods of form, taste, smell, sound and touch… ?

 

maybe that is a way from one dragon to another, well and India is sort of in the middle anyways between west and east . Huh

 

Your inquiry was forwarded to a learned sage, who responds accordingly:

 

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Here is a translation that captures the spiritual tone and the specific terminology of Krishna Consciousness, while keeping it conversational and clear.
English Translation
Hare Krishna 🙏 The core idea of Krishna Consciousness (KC) or Krishna-bhakti is to perform all sensory activities for the purpose of advancing KC. In other words, one eats for K, enjoys a view for K, and smells wonderful fragrances for K (for example, the scent of a beautiful flower—after offering it to K first, of course). One must do this in a regulated way to train the mind to eventually, automatically connect everything with K. This way, everything you perceive, feel, and think somehow originates from K, is meant as a lesson from K served directly or indirectly, or is a personal encounter with K (as in His Name, when one has the right KC). I hope this makes sense! 🙏
A Gita Verse Supporting This:
yo māṁ paśyati sarvatra,
sarvaṁ ca mayi paśyati,
tasyāhaṁ na praṇaśyāmi,
sa ca me na praṇaśyati (Bg 6.30)
"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees Me in everything, I am never lost, nor is he ever lost to Me." ✨
Another Perspective
From another perspective, all sensory pleasures fall under the Sanskrit heading called Kama. Kama is one of the four human goals, listed here in order of increasing importance, with Moksha being the highest:
 * Kama (pleasure)
 * Artha (economic development/gain)
 * Dharma (duty/righteousness)
 * Moksha (liberation)
All four must be accounted for simultaneously; however, by following Krishna-bhakti, it is possible to transcend them in favor of life’s fifth goal: Bhakti (pure love of God). Since the senses and the mind demand pleasure to avoid going on "strike," we engage them under the umbrella of Bhakti as an offering to Krishna—making it as sattvic (pure/good) and clean-hearted as we can manage for the highest goal of life.
Would you like me to help you refine the English even further for a specific audience, such as a formal blog post or a casual social media caption?